flboy21283
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This is a conversation i just had with another reptile owner that jumped in and randomly attacked me on a public forum because i encouraged another keeper to learn more about other less common species of snakes. Please read and reply. All of your comments good and bad are appreciated. If i said something out of line, then by all means i will apologize publicly. I think this is a brutal attack from an arrogent and ignorant reptile keeper that THOUGHT i was saying "my snakes are better than your snakes". I've been in this hobby for years, and I encourage people to get as MUCH knowledge as they can about all species big and small. Enjoy.
James
(16:04:11) eunectes904: my blue ate another rat today
(16:04:21) eunectes904: i've been stuffin food in him almost every day it seems
(16:04:29) eunectes904: i'm gonna have to post a growth thread here pretty soon
(16:04:33) eunectes904: he'll be a year old in feb.
(16:04:41) Southern_Boa_Gur: yeah you should have one here
(16:04:48) Southern_Boa_Gur: i know i'd love to see it
(16:04:55) Southern_Boa_Gur: and there are a few others on here that like blue's too
(16:05:11) eunectes904: coo
(16:05:22) eunectes904: yeah i got him out today to hand over to troy so i could clean him, but he didn't really want to come out
(16:05:36) eunectes904: so I held him and cleaned him at the same time. I Just kinda wrap him all around my hand and arm
(16:11:56) Southern_Boa_Gur: lol yeah i know what you mean
(16:27:35) eunectes904: so what are everyone's plans for today
(16:28:12) eunectes904: well, I get a lot of that here with the boa/python lovers that used to come visit alexander
(16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:30:40) Donnie_K: mother[bleep]er, troys straight, get over it
(16:30:50) eunectes904: ?????
(16:30:58) Donnie_K: what the hell, how you gonna say something like that? troy keeps burms and retics...
(16:31:07) eunectes904: that was random
(16:31:09) Donnie_K: and you're gonna go and say "these larger, more advanced species of snakes"
(16:31:22) eunectes904: i meant the species themselves donnie
(16:31:24) Donnie_K: yeah, it was... somehow you end up on my nerves a lot
(16:31:47) eunectes904: like ptyas, spilotes and pseutses
(16:31:50) eunectes904: things not everyone keeps in the house
(16:31:54) Donnie_K: I keep burms and retics
(16:32:06) Donnie_K: and I'm offended that you talk down to them saying what you keep is more advanced
(16:32:47) Donnie_K: I respect anyone that deals with cribos and things like that regularly... but don't talk down to people who own snakes that can eat you because of it
(16:32:52) eunectes904: i didn't say burms and retics arne't advanced. but there's lots of great info out there on the care
(16:32:58) eunectes904: and i don't talk down donnie you know that
(16:33:02) eunectes904: i like burms and retics too
(16:33:20) Donnie_K: ok, let me copy and paste before it gets bumped off the screen
(16:33:33) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:33:36) Donnie_K: now
(16:33:40) Donnie_K: what does troy keep?
(16:33:46) eunectes904: what's wrong with that statement?
(16:33:49) Donnie_K: same thing I do, right?
(16:33:53) Donnie_K: so by implication
(16:34:05) Donnie_K: you're saying what you keep is "more "advanced""
(16:34:11) Donnie_K: aren't you?
(16:34:21) Donnie_K: or are you gonna say you worded it incorrectly?
(16:34:31) Donnie_K: cuz you do that an awful lot
(16:34:36) eunectes904: i'm not sure how else to word it.
(16:35:02) Donnie_K: so it was meant as it was worded
(16:35:03) eunectes904: some of the species that aren't AS popular have various degrees of care. Like ptyas for example
(16:35:13) Donnie_K: that what you keep is more advanced than what troy keeps
(16:35:16) Donnie_K: which is what I keep
(16:35:29) Donnie_K: you didn't say less popular... you said more advanced
(16:36:20) eunectes904: well, as far as care handling and understandig goes, yes some of them are for more advanced keepers
(16:36:31) eunectes904: i'm not really sure how else to word it
(16:36:43) eunectes904: it doesnt mean that keeping big snakes is any LESS of a job
(16:36:50) Donnie_K: seriously? you really got watch and make sure your cribo doesn't kill and eat you?
(16:37:00) Donnie_K: well that's how it sounded to me, and I am offended
(16:37:08) eunectes904: well don't take offense to that
(16:37:10) Donnie_K: and I'm sure some of our other burm and retic keepers would be too.
(16:37:12) eunectes904: it was certainly not meant to be offense
(16:37:48) eunectes904: it was a compliment to him or anyone else that wanted to broaden their keeper knowledge of other species of snakes from around the world
(16:38:08) Donnie_K: it was a compliment, by saying your colubrids are bigger and more advanced?
(16:38:13) eunectes904: no
(16:38:24) Donnie_K: I didn't think so... don't blow smoke up my ass
(16:38:31) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:38:37) Donnie_K: again, how am I supposed to understand that?
(16:39:03) Donnie_K: those ARE your words... right? mike wasn't typing on your keyboard...
(16:39:31) Donnie_K: get you some king cobras, then you can say more advanced
(16:39:34) Donnie_K: but not larger still
(16:39:58) eunectes904: well, yes, keeping large aggressive colubrids is one more handling step into keeping elapids
(16:40:12) eunectes904: since some of the species are commonly associated with elapids in behavior
(16:40:12) Donnie_K: yes, but you're not keeping elapids, are you?
(16:40:17) eunectes904: and no, they can't kill you
(16:40:21) eunectes904: no, i don't keep elapids
(16:40:35) Donnie_K: so how is someone that keeps burms and retics gonna come to your house to handle "larger more "advanced"" species?
(16:40:47) eunectes904: larger meaning large colubrids
(16:41:06) eunectes904: advanced meaning handling techniques
(16:41:09) Donnie_K: so you meant more advanced than a corn snake... not what he keeps at home...
(16:41:18) Donnie_K: is that what you're trying to tell me?
(16:41:29) eunectes904: i think you've made way way way too much of that statement
(16:41:37) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:41:41) Donnie_K: again, reread it
(16:41:45) eunectes904: i was only trying to say i'm excited that he's showing interest
(16:41:50) Donnie_K: it sounds very direct and literal to me...
(16:42:26) eunectes904: and you're making a big deal out of it
(16:42:28) eunectes904: for no reason
(16:42:32) eunectes904: i'm not attacking anyone
(16:42:35) eunectes904: and i don't like to be attacked
(16:42:36) Donnie_K: yes I am, and I have a reason
(16:42:39) eunectes904: especially on a public forum
(16:42:52) Donnie_K: then get the [bleep] off my forum
(16:43:03) Donnie_K: or watch what the [bleep] you say
(16:43:21) Donnie_K: if you don't like it, you know where that little red xis
(16:43:27) Donnie_K: x is*
(16:44:16) eunectes904: if you're that offended, then it has more to do with the species sir.
(16:44:22) eunectes904: cuz there's nothing wrong with that statement
(16:44:27) eunectes904: it was meant to be a positive statement
(16:44:49) eunectes904: and you're welcome to PM me with it if you have any questions
(16:45:13) eunectes904: what i should of said was i'm glad people are showing interest in other species they might not see every day or at a show
(16:45:15) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:45:17) eunectes904: does that sound any better?
(16:45:26) Donnie_K: it has to do with you comparing yourself with people who keeps the same things I keep
(16:45:33) Donnie_K: you can't bull[bleep] me jay
(16:45:46) Donnie_K: I've let your [bleep] slide many times before, but I'm not [bleep]ing stupid
(16:45:51) eunectes904: that's referring directly to large rare colubrids
(16:46:15) Donnie_K: yes, as compared to...
(16:46:23) eunectes904: and its' in no way demeaning to anything else anyone owns
James
(16:04:11) eunectes904: my blue ate another rat today
(16:04:21) eunectes904: i've been stuffin food in him almost every day it seems
(16:04:29) eunectes904: i'm gonna have to post a growth thread here pretty soon
(16:04:33) eunectes904: he'll be a year old in feb.
(16:04:41) Southern_Boa_Gur: yeah you should have one here
(16:04:48) Southern_Boa_Gur: i know i'd love to see it
(16:04:55) Southern_Boa_Gur: and there are a few others on here that like blue's too
(16:05:11) eunectes904: coo
(16:05:22) eunectes904: yeah i got him out today to hand over to troy so i could clean him, but he didn't really want to come out
(16:05:36) eunectes904: so I held him and cleaned him at the same time. I Just kinda wrap him all around my hand and arm
(16:11:56) Southern_Boa_Gur: lol yeah i know what you mean
(16:27:35) eunectes904: so what are everyone's plans for today
(16:28:12) eunectes904: well, I get a lot of that here with the boa/python lovers that used to come visit alexander
(16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:30:40) Donnie_K: mother[bleep]er, troys straight, get over it
(16:30:50) eunectes904: ?????
(16:30:58) Donnie_K: what the hell, how you gonna say something like that? troy keeps burms and retics...
(16:31:07) eunectes904: that was random
(16:31:09) Donnie_K: and you're gonna go and say "these larger, more advanced species of snakes"
(16:31:22) eunectes904: i meant the species themselves donnie
(16:31:24) Donnie_K: yeah, it was... somehow you end up on my nerves a lot
(16:31:47) eunectes904: like ptyas, spilotes and pseutses
(16:31:50) eunectes904: things not everyone keeps in the house
(16:31:54) Donnie_K: I keep burms and retics
(16:32:06) Donnie_K: and I'm offended that you talk down to them saying what you keep is more advanced
(16:32:47) Donnie_K: I respect anyone that deals with cribos and things like that regularly... but don't talk down to people who own snakes that can eat you because of it
(16:32:52) eunectes904: i didn't say burms and retics arne't advanced. but there's lots of great info out there on the care
(16:32:58) eunectes904: and i don't talk down donnie you know that
(16:33:02) eunectes904: i like burms and retics too
(16:33:20) Donnie_K: ok, let me copy and paste before it gets bumped off the screen
(16:33:33) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:33:36) Donnie_K: now
(16:33:40) Donnie_K: what does troy keep?
(16:33:46) eunectes904: what's wrong with that statement?
(16:33:49) Donnie_K: same thing I do, right?
(16:33:53) Donnie_K: so by implication
(16:34:05) Donnie_K: you're saying what you keep is "more "advanced""
(16:34:11) Donnie_K: aren't you?
(16:34:21) Donnie_K: or are you gonna say you worded it incorrectly?
(16:34:31) Donnie_K: cuz you do that an awful lot
(16:34:36) eunectes904: i'm not sure how else to word it.
(16:35:02) Donnie_K: so it was meant as it was worded
(16:35:03) eunectes904: some of the species that aren't AS popular have various degrees of care. Like ptyas for example
(16:35:13) Donnie_K: that what you keep is more advanced than what troy keeps
(16:35:16) Donnie_K: which is what I keep
(16:35:29) Donnie_K: you didn't say less popular... you said more advanced
(16:36:20) eunectes904: well, as far as care handling and understandig goes, yes some of them are for more advanced keepers
(16:36:31) eunectes904: i'm not really sure how else to word it
(16:36:43) eunectes904: it doesnt mean that keeping big snakes is any LESS of a job
(16:36:50) Donnie_K: seriously? you really got watch and make sure your cribo doesn't kill and eat you?
(16:37:00) Donnie_K: well that's how it sounded to me, and I am offended
(16:37:08) eunectes904: well don't take offense to that
(16:37:10) Donnie_K: and I'm sure some of our other burm and retic keepers would be too.
(16:37:12) eunectes904: it was certainly not meant to be offense
(16:37:48) eunectes904: it was a compliment to him or anyone else that wanted to broaden their keeper knowledge of other species of snakes from around the world
(16:38:08) Donnie_K: it was a compliment, by saying your colubrids are bigger and more advanced?
(16:38:13) eunectes904: no
(16:38:24) Donnie_K: I didn't think so... don't blow smoke up my ass
(16:38:31) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:38:37) Donnie_K: again, how am I supposed to understand that?
(16:39:03) Donnie_K: those ARE your words... right? mike wasn't typing on your keyboard...
(16:39:31) Donnie_K: get you some king cobras, then you can say more advanced
(16:39:34) Donnie_K: but not larger still
(16:39:58) eunectes904: well, yes, keeping large aggressive colubrids is one more handling step into keeping elapids
(16:40:12) eunectes904: since some of the species are commonly associated with elapids in behavior
(16:40:12) Donnie_K: yes, but you're not keeping elapids, are you?
(16:40:17) eunectes904: and no, they can't kill you
(16:40:21) eunectes904: no, i don't keep elapids
(16:40:35) Donnie_K: so how is someone that keeps burms and retics gonna come to your house to handle "larger more "advanced"" species?
(16:40:47) eunectes904: larger meaning large colubrids
(16:41:06) eunectes904: advanced meaning handling techniques
(16:41:09) Donnie_K: so you meant more advanced than a corn snake... not what he keeps at home...
(16:41:18) Donnie_K: is that what you're trying to tell me?
(16:41:29) eunectes904: i think you've made way way way too much of that statement
(16:41:37) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:41:41) Donnie_K: again, reread it
(16:41:45) eunectes904: i was only trying to say i'm excited that he's showing interest
(16:41:50) Donnie_K: it sounds very direct and literal to me...
(16:42:26) eunectes904: and you're making a big deal out of it
(16:42:28) eunectes904: for no reason
(16:42:32) eunectes904: i'm not attacking anyone
(16:42:35) eunectes904: and i don't like to be attacked
(16:42:36) Donnie_K: yes I am, and I have a reason
(16:42:39) eunectes904: especially on a public forum
(16:42:52) Donnie_K: then get the [bleep] off my forum
(16:43:03) Donnie_K: or watch what the [bleep] you say
(16:43:21) Donnie_K: if you don't like it, you know where that little red xis
(16:43:27) Donnie_K: x is*
(16:44:16) eunectes904: if you're that offended, then it has more to do with the species sir.
(16:44:22) eunectes904: cuz there's nothing wrong with that statement
(16:44:27) eunectes904: it was meant to be a positive statement
(16:44:49) eunectes904: and you're welcome to PM me with it if you have any questions
(16:45:13) eunectes904: what i should of said was i'm glad people are showing interest in other species they might not see every day or at a show
(16:45:15) Donnie_K: (16:29:36) eunectes904: troy's really cool, i can't wait to get him into working with some of these larger more "advanced" species of snakes
(16:45:17) eunectes904: does that sound any better?
(16:45:26) Donnie_K: it has to do with you comparing yourself with people who keeps the same things I keep
(16:45:33) Donnie_K: you can't bull[bleep] me jay
(16:45:46) Donnie_K: I've let your [bleep] slide many times before, but I'm not [bleep]ing stupid
(16:45:51) eunectes904: that's referring directly to large rare colubrids
(16:46:15) Donnie_K: yes, as compared to...
(16:46:23) eunectes904: and its' in no way demeaning to anything else anyone owns
