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Anyone ever deal with this guy Derek? Goes by Thirtyone Thirteen on Kingsnake.com. I'm interested in buying the adult pair of western hogs he has for sale, but am a bit leary because he only accepts money orders and cashiers checks not paypal.

Peter
 
Let's start this over again.

Please note that I do NOT enforce the FULL NAME RULE when the message is a simple inquiry like this one is.

Now if this were worded more like "I am inquiring on Joe Blow because he stiffed a friend of mine years ago", that's a different story as it is not neutral.

But yeah, I guess we all (me included) need to lay it back a little bit when we jump on some new guy that posts here. Yeah, it gets old for me, but I guess it is in everyone's best interests not to chase people away from here.

That sound reasonable to everyone?

Thanks.
 
The handy search button...

I did a search for "Derek Roberts" and came up with a couple of threads:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=6318&highlight=Derek+Roberts

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=8551&highlight=Derek+Roberts

I also noticed that he posts occassionally on this board using the handle "ddr" - if you want to read any of his posts, you can use the search function (top right of the screen) to search for him. I've noticed that you can sometimes learn at least as much about someone by how they react to others' situations as you can learn by how they react to their own situation!
 
It's all good...I should have done a little more research before posting. I have yet to find anyone that would come forward as to any reference to doing business with this guy, so I think I'll let someone else be the "lab rat" with him. Thanks.
 
Thanks Jackie...that helped a lot. I think based on what I've seen I would do business with Derek if he accepted Paypal or credit cards. Unfortunately, he doesn't. In my opinion, it is just too risky to do business with anyone who won't.
 
This can't be real.. A person is suspect if they don't accept paypal? Alot of people don't use paypal as you have to give out financial info and paypal can freeze your acct. if they so desire. Come on people if you don't want to do business with someone come up with a better reason than "they don't accept paypal... ;)
 
pdrau,

IMHO you are by far running a greater risk by providing your credit card info to a stranger than by sending a postal money order.

Best regards.
 
Let's see...I'll make this short. Paypal and Credit Cards (which I wouldn't give out to anyone without a physical store front) have some recourse. With a money order/cashiers check there is virtually none.
 
pdrau,

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you send a postal money order in payment for certain goods, and those are not delivered as agreed that's a federal offense.

Best regards,
 
People, is there really a problem with the fact that he is weary of dong business with someone who doesn't accept paypal or credit cards? I won't do business with a person who I think smells bad. Whatever his reasons for not doing business with someone are, they are his reasons, and he is entitled to them without anyone giving him crap over them. Pdrau, when you are in the market to buy, it is all about you. It is all about whether or not you feel comfortable doing business with someone, and if you don't, for any reason, then don't do business.

Jeez. You know, someone could tell me that they won't do business with me because I have long hair, and I'm fine with that.

Alvaro, you are entirely correct. If you use a postal money order and are defrauded, that is a federal offense, and you can get the FBI involved. They will also get involved if the two parties are in different states.
 
Richard.... You're absolutely correct! He can do business with anybody he wants to, and can refuse to do business with anybody he wants to, for whatever reason! It's HIS business and HIS money??

And, Richard.... To err IS human.... but to REALLY "F" it up, takes a computer!!.... lol

....Neil
 
Yes he has a right to do as he pleases. He does not have the right to put this guys name here and then make it seem as if he's bad because he doesn't accept paypal. If he knew the guy didn't prior to posting he should've went on his way and not said anything.. With this thread people are going to assume somethings up with this guy and i'm sure alot of you know what i'm talking about. Did you at least give the guy the courtesy of letting him know you put him out there like he may be suspicious because he doesn't use paypal? If not why dont you so he can at least respond to your insinuation "lab rat". last thing, there is a large group out there that probably never heard of this site so maybe that's why you didn't see a reply GOOD or BAD especially since you've given the reptile community a whole DAY to reply...
Remember just like pdrau has a right to not buy for what ever reason he chooses Derek also has a right to accept payment in any form he wants without being judged suspicious....
 
Joel,

I disagree. I don't think pdrau is saying that Derek is bad because he does not accept PayPal. In fact, he said that if he would likely do business with Derek, but he just does not feel comfortable following through with that since PayPal is not an option. To me, that seems as though pdrau is recognizing that Derek is probably a good guy, but his payment options are just outside of pdrau's "comfort zone." That is totally within his right to determine, and I don't think it's beyond the realm of proper form for him to post his opinions about it here. Is not the use of PayPal (or not) a "business practice" that may or may not dissuade someone from purchasing from Derek?

However, that all being said, Derek was nothing but cooperative, nice, and more than willing to be helpful during the time that I sought to purchase animals from him once. I was unable to get "all my ducks in a row" on that deal, so it did not occur, but I would not hesitate to deal with Derek again should the opportunity arise. He DOES have an annoying habit of choosing strange friends, though! That Adam Block guy . . .;)
 
Darin i hear ya. The lab rat comment wasn't needed. It's hard enough for sellers with all the bad guys then for someone to see that type of comment doesn't help. I know alot of good people who won't use paypal for many reasons but they are stand up people even though they accept that deadly money order or even worse the cashiers check..
If he didn't feel comfortable then why post at all? Why not see the ad and see the paypal not accepted note or in the email he may have got and move on to someone who does accept it.

If that's recognizing someone as a good guy i hate to see a bad guy post :D

Seriously , i don't consider paypal a business practice. If paypal didn't come along then would all breeders and shops be suspect? If paypal went bankrupt and all that had money in an acct. lost it then would that make all of us who used it dumb and not worth buying from or selling to? All I'm trying to get across is paypal is not the determining factor on someones credibility. If he didn't want to be a "lab rat" then just take your monmey to someone else that simple...

By the way Darin, I bought a bunch of hatchling corns from Adam Block (shhhhhhh my Indigo had to eat) lol.
 
Joel, jeez man I tried to spell it out that had it not been for the fact that he didn't accept Paypal that I would not let the problems sited keep me from buying from him. I found out after I started the inquiry that he didn't accept Paypal. An oversight on my part because he had posted that in his ad. I simply choose not to do business with someone who doesn't.

My "lab rat" comment that you so harp on was in a post prior to getting any feedback about the guy either way. "Lab rat" or "guinea pig" if you prefer was just a play on words saying that I didn't want to be the first one to do business with this guy not knowing anything about him. It was in no way meant as a slight against Derek.

By the way, reporting postal fraud to the appropriate authorities and having something done about it can take an indefinite amount of time. If I use Paypal, I can use either my checking account or my credit card to fund the purchase. I then have Paypal and credit card fraud protection in place and can more likely than not get my money back rather expediently.

Peter
 
I'm interested in buying the adult pair of western hogs he has for sale, but am a bit leary because he only accepts money orders and cashiers checks not paypal.
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Peter, just for the record, that quote is from your first post in this thread. You had already stated you knew he didn't accept PayPal and that it made you somewhat leary. I think the point Joel is trying to make is that if you won't do business with someone who won't accept PayPal in the first place, why inquire about them at all?

But honestly, you have every right to refuse to do business with whomever for whatever reason and if you don't like the fact someone doesn't use PayPal, so be it. But I would hope that because someone doesn't that it makes them less trustworthy or possible scam artists. I was selling animals for over a year online before I even found out about PayPal. I'm sure there are others like me that didn't know much about it or that were afraid of having their credit card and/or bank account info going through the internet that are excellent business people. I have done business with several of them myself.

But best of luck Peter, I hope that you find some snakes you want with a seller you're comfortable with!

Cheers!
 
I've done business with Derek on more than one occasion. Great guy, great animals. I've always paid him with a money order because this is what he prefers. I have no problem with it. It's kinda like the old days. Those of us who have been around longer than paypal know what I'm talking about. Used to be, in the not so distant past, that postal money orders where the preferred payment method for both parties. My how times have changed...

Tom Burns
Upper End Exotics
 
Glad someone gets it...

since peter doesn't. Your play on words are very easy for some new person to confuse with a negative comment just like you over looked something so important to you like paypal. I'm done with this thread now that one person get's it :D
 
Visa Check?

I have been following the posts on Derek ever since he started selling off some of his snakes 2 weeks ago. I have ordered and paid for some of those herps that he had posted. I though not paying full attention to his payment requirements inadvertantly sent him a Visa Check. One of those checks my Bank sends me every
now and again because I am not using my credit fast enough.

Actually have been using this type of payment for herps for quite sometime. As I understand, same recourse as using the card if something was to go wrong. I'm sure probably a hassle though.

Derek has been very quick with all responses concerning this transaction. I contacted him after mailing him the check
explaining my payment type. He was fine with and accepted it.

I told him I prefer shipping these snakes to me as soon as he could this week as I would be around to recieve them, which due to work schedules has become a rarity these days.

I just recieved the tracking number from him and will be recieving the snakes in the morning. After reading here I decided to check my account online and noticed the check has not been cleared yet. The earliest this check would clear is at midnight tonite (if it has already been deposited).

That tells me he did ship them before he was aware of my funds being available to him.

Everything looks good so far with my dealings with Derek and I will certainly post here again in the morning after delivery is completed updating on how this transaction turns out. Oh yes, the sale was for a couple of hognose.

Richard Hebron
 
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