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Resessive Gene Questions

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can you have a triple het? For example what happens when you pair Snow X Piebald. will half of them be dh for one of the 3? or is there triple resessive already out there.Im confused here a little?

this is what WOBP shows.
100%Het. Albino Het. Axanthic Het. Piebald
 
If you breed a visual recessive anything to a normal all the babys will be het whatever. If you breed a snow (axanthic xAlbino) to a pied then all babys will be het for axanthic, albino, and pied.
 
What i mean is, Is there a point when there are to many ressesive hets that they cancel themselfs out. How would you know what genes the babies will have? I dont see to many post on triple recessive morphs.
 
Dreamsicle Stripe X Ghost Clown would give you a het 5 gene animal I don't think anything would cancel. I have not heard of anything doing so anyhow the genes have to be passed on from the visual parents. Getting them to all land on the same animal in het x het breeding's would be very tough!


But more serious I don't think it matters but I'm guessing we will know for sure in a few years I'm sure someone is working on 3-4 gene recessives if not more at this point. I guess the odds just get real long at hitting on a 3-5 gene recessive but if you did wow!!!! Can you imagine a clown stripe dreamsicle :flamethr: HOT!!!
 
I am not for sure what you mean I do not know of any genes that cancel each other out, hell if you breed an albino clown to an axanthic pied the animalas will be quad hets, all babys would be het(carrys one copy of the gene)for axanthic, albino, pied, and clown. If you are talking about breeding hets together if the offspring arent visual then they would be considered 66% possible hets. no matter how many genes a ball has, if they recessive genes that are visually expressed then no matter which copy he passes to the offspring they will carry the gene inthe het form. If you breed a clown het albino to a normal all the babys will be het for clown and half should be het for albino, since you are not sure which babys are carrying the albino gene you would say they are all %100 het clown and %50 het for albino. Hope this helps, if you still have any questions please let me know,and I will try to explain it different.
 
What everyone else said. :)

As for genes "canceling out," they shouldn't. Let's use Greg's example of a Dreamsicle Stripe x Ghost Clown. If we have a Dreamsicle Stripe, we know those genes don't cancel, and if we have a Ghost Clown, we know those don't either. Similarly, all the other combinations don't cancel either: Pied Stripes, Lavender Stripes, Ghost Stripes, Ghost Pieds, Ghost Lavs, Lav Clowns, Stripe Clowns, Pied Clowns. So a snake with all of these genes would show all of these recessive traits without any cancellations.

Look at corn snakes. They have all kinds of multiple-recessive-gene morphs out there!

The reason we don't see many triple+ hets out there is because 1) ball pythons don't have as many offspring as corn snakes, so it takes longer and 2) double recessives are still pretty rare/expensive. Very few people have double recessives to breed to other single/double recessives, and the people who do are probably keeping all the offspring.

There are genes that suppress/dominate others, but I doubt any outright cancel them (i.e. make the genes nonexistent when they shouldn't be). Leucistics, for example, suppress pattern and color, but existing pattern/color genes are still present in the snake. Leucistics still have normal genes in there, too, but the leucism suppresses them (i.e., makes them not visible). In that sense, all morphs suppress the "normal" genes.

Does that kinda make sense?
 
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