Reticulated With Care

[Bill & Amy]

Thanks for proving my point Will, you just proved that their are more children in the "professional Herp world" then adults. If the animal was not up to par then why take it? Why not report it to the person in charge of the raffle. It goes back to my point is there something personal against who put the snake up? How do YOU know that there was not a perfectly good snake taken and the one pictured is different? You don't, you go off of the word of others. I merely pointed out that there is 2 sides to every story. And if you look closely one is nearly a lavender retic and one is orange and the pixelation is way different, but then again, it does not matter because the negative opinions have already been formed. So in that case, Laura "keep up that banter!!!!" because we are in an adult world here.....

Well Rob,

First, I don't think it is a coincidence that you are from So. Cal and here defending this snake. Second, how did I " prove that their are more children in the "professional Herp world" then adults"??? Last time I checked I am 9 years older than you. Are you saying Michael has a personal vendetta against the person he got the snake from? Are you offering a second side to this story? If you are, then speak up and quit beating around the bush. Was this your retic or a friends? If you look at the patterns on the neck of the snake they are identical in ALL OF THE PICTURES!! You are not talking to people that decided to wake up and be snake experts for the day!

 

[Bill & Amy]

By the way my name is not Will!!

 

[Rakshasanyc]

Thanks for proving my point Will, you just proved that their are more children in the "professional Herp world" then adults.

Hmmmm...

The OP said...

Pet America in Fullerton, CA. They donated him. When I am truley satisfied with his health and growth I will be sending them pics and info, along with my thoughts on them pawning off a snake in this condition to someone else. I think the little guy is happy I took him.

Then "Rob" shows up and starts implying that Junkyard is lying, that these are two different animals, etc. "Rob" has never posted anything else before; he joined a few days ago and seems to have found his way to this forum. I suppose that "Rob" has nothing to do with Pet America in Fullerton, California -- even though he just happens to be in southern California.

*sniff* *sniff* Methinks I smell a sockpuppet here.

Me also thinks that this thread may belong on the Board of Inquiry, so that people can see Pet America in action for themselves.

 

[Bill & Amy]

I have done a lot of purchases with herps and I lose some and some live, it kind of goes with the way the world turns. (i.e. some animals and people live and some don't per say)

I can't say how much this quote ps me off!!

 

[aNTItRUST]

Dont remember calling anyone a liar, but you can read into it howvever you feel... Matters none to me, and as I stated in all of my post 'William" I am merley trying to have you people look at both sides of the story. I have "0" affiliation with any place, anyone or anything and could really care less about what upsets you, it happens to be fact and thats the way the world turns. Whoever has the grammtical issue and is playing with their sock puppet should really do whatever they feel is right. I stated this whole time I am not taking sides I am just trying to show that everyone was going off of one side of the story. Unless I am brought back into this thread I will generously leave with this last question.. Laura stated that there should be more members like "junkyard" is it in the SCHA, I guess, so why would she allow an alleged unhealthy snake go out, tell me..... WHO HAS THE VENDETTA???

 

[hhmoore]

How do YOU know that there was not a perfectly good snake taken and the one pictured is different? You don't, you go off of the word of others.

Well, I have to give you that one... I was nowhere near that auction, or Cali for that matter. But for what reason would Michael post pics of a different snake? He wasn't trying to get his money back, he wasn't here bashing the company that supplied it to the auction, he wasn't doing anything that would provide cause to question his motives. Your motives, on the other hand, I have to wonder about - you have 4 posts since registering, all of them in this thread...what made you pick this one to offer another side of (for our enlightenment, of course)?

And if you look closely one is nearly a lavender retic and one is orange and the pixelation is way different, but then again, it does not matter because the negative opinions have already been formed.

I don't know anything about pixelation, but I did go back and take a few good long hard looks at the pics...lavender?? orange?? (psychodelics??) The colors match, the pattern matches - to my eye, the photos are of the same snake. But you are almost right - I am starting to form a negative opinion here

 

[Bill & Amy]

Dont remember calling anyone a liar, but you can read into it howvever you feel...

Did you or did you not say the snakes in the pictures were not the same snakes? What does that imply to the person that posted the snakes and said they were the same?

Matters none to me, and as I stated in all of my post 'William" I am merley trying to have you people look at both sides of the story.

Then why come here and not give a second side to the story? You obviously think you know more than whats being said.

Laura stated that there should be more members like "junkyard" is it in the SCHA, I guess, so why would she allow an alleged unhealthy snake go out, tell me..... WHO HAS THE VENDETTA???

This to me says you know who Laura is and possibly even Michael. So to answer the question I would say YOU DO!!

 

[Rakshasanyc]

I don't know anything about pixelation, but I did go back and take a few good long hard looks at the pics...lavender?? orange?? (psychodelics??) The colors match, the pattern matches - to my eye, the photos are of the same snake. But you are almost right - I am starting to form a negative opinion here

According to "Rob"

The idea of 2 different photos comes from my background in photgraphy.

I'd be interested in hearing how he arrived at the conclusion that these were (or might be) two different snakes. I'm not a professional photographer, but I'm a fairly knowledgeable amateur, and I also have intermediate-level knowledge of Photoshop. If he can share his reasoning with us, I can certainly follow along.

Of course, I think it's abundantly clear just who has an agenda in this thread, and what that agenda is. Once again we see the truth of the old adage, "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt..."

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Gee rob

I don't remember asking for your comments or advice, were you there?? I think not!

Maybe if you stick around for a while, you will see a lot of this type of "pawning off" of sick imports, not only on raffle tables, but on other sights as sales, to the unsuspecting public in general.

And as far as "the way the world turns" I don't know what planet you're on, but my planet, planet earth, we in the reptile comunity applaud those who try to make a bad situation better, try to rehab an obviously sick animal, and had this been a purchase, it would be on the BOI, where there would be much more "banter" than here.

Maybe you should read more and type less, because your oppinion means nothing to me unless you were there...........

 

[Cat_72]

You know, it TRULY saddens me to see a simple thread about a wonderful kindness done for this animal by Michael, only to have someone take it off on a tangent and turn it into something so completely WRONG. Michael, if nothing else, had the heart to make this snakes last days on earth probably the most comfortable and humane he had ever had..............and Rob thinks he has a hidden agenda? Come on, get real.

As for the whole conspiracy/vendetta theory, and the comment about that being "how the world goes round".......it just plain makes me ill. People with the attitude that, "some live, some die" shouldn't be in the animal business. True, some will and do not make it, but if there were more people that care as much as Michael do in this business, a whole lot less animals would have to die.

The attacks on both Bill and Laura were uncalled for as well........why do YOU have such a problem with these people, Rob??

 

[Junkyard]

Rob, did I offend you in a past life? Do I even know you? Do you even know me?.

Take a closer look at those pictures, they are the same snake. Would you like me to post more pictures? I have a lot more I can add to this thread, some are in focus and some out of focus, but they are the same snake. Even the black and white pictures are the same snake. If you really have a background in photography you would easily be able to figure that out.

I am not out against the pet store that donated this snake for the auction, yes I am not pleased with such a bad looking snake being auctioned off. Sure, I could have taken a different animal, but I was did what I did.

Please explain your "VENDETTA" against me.

 

[Junkyard]

I just called Pet America, they do not know a Rob Deck. So I am guessing that Rob must be a friend, or a false name.

 

[futureherpbreeder]

hey, "NERF" wants to know if she can eat all the mean people?
like ANTItRUST or who ever that is!

 

[Junkyard]

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Dont remember calling anyone a liar, but you can read into it howvever you feel...

How bout this one?.......

So I have just a couple concerns.. (1) The snake pics are of different snakes....

That sounds pretty much like a direct accusation.
Kinda hard to believe you missed the whole point of the thread. And the reason some of us would take the sickly looking one is because We care. You must be one hell of a pet owner just judging by your rediculous posts.

Great job Michael. You did accomplish a lot in a short amount of time. That retic looked at least 200% better in those last pics. Sorry it didn't work out for you though.
And you aint kidding they are smart snakes. Calculating, thinking, all the time. LOL Hope you get one that's just as sweet.

Ciao,
Rick

 

[Southwick Herps]

Wow. First of all, Michael, you are truly a kind person. I think I speak for everyone who is sane, and logical here (basically everyone but Rob), when I say that I have nothing but respect for you. You went above and beyond the call of duty of any herper. You took in a snake you knew wasn't in any kind of healthy condition. You sacrificed the addition of a healthy specimen to try and improve the living condition of a defenseless snake. That examplifies what this hobby is all about. Taking care of something that cannot take care of itself in a captive environment.

Second of all, Rob needs to get a life. Does he really have nothing better to do that start an argument where there isn't even the slightest conflict?? Im trying to comprehend what he is trying to say, and all I get out of it is him looking like a jerk... He basically says that he'd have rather seen you just let the snake die in the hands of whoever put it into this state, and that in the reptile world, some live and some die. Thats how it goes.. I don't know about you Rob, but I personally do not think that anything that comes into my possession should die. I expect nothing I purchase to die. I don't care at all how many purchases you make, a statement like "some live, and some die" is downright sickening. I wouldn't be surprised if he has dumped numerous dieing snakes into the hands of those who were unsespecting.
Im with you William, that statement rubs me completely the wrong way..

One more thing, what Rob, do you have against Laura?? I don't even remember her posting much, and what she did post just spoke volumes about a person with a great character. She pointed out the fact that Michael passed up beautiful, healthy, vibrant specimens and made a sacrifice to take care of a snake that was not going to make it. Why does that anger you in the least bit???

I'd just like to one more time thank you Michael, for doing more than anyone could ask you. I know that you'll be rewarded for your efforts when the time is right.

 

[futureherpbreeder]

hey, what happened to the crack pipe abuser? did he finally get a clue?
rock on michael!

 

[Junkyard]

He was only here to push buttons. Though I seriously think he is using a false name, he does not want to be a real man and tell us who he really is. It seems he knows Laura and is afraid of her knowing who it is behind the Rob mask. For all we know, it could very well be the owner of the pet store that donated him.

 

[liquidleaf]

They look like the same snake to me, and I work with Photoshop every day as part of my profession. The markings on the snake (especially the squiggle in the thin line coming off the back of it's head) look the same to me.

"Rob" (to use his way of quoting) really seems to be a sock puppet (heh, gotta remember that terminology)... only 4 posts to his username, and gee, they're all on this thread. If everyone adopted his attitude, no one would ever believe anything anyone else said about anything. And apparently being "adult" means, to him, having no compassion. Gotta love it... he implies "eeh, some animals I keep die, some live, so what, luck of the draw, grow up".... with proper husbandry, most should live... and most people would feel badly if an animal in their care perished.

If Junkyard had really wanted to "spread dirt" about whatever store donated the snake, he would have taken it to the BOI, but that was not the point here. Sigh.

 

[futureherpbreeder]

hey michael, now i can say "i know how you feel." i went to play with all my
"kids," and found my white lip python died. its my first lost one. i now feel your pain.

josh
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