Lisa, Tony and the few others that can read between the lines, thank you, finally some people who can see through all the crap to the real truth.
Gary, yes, Bill Cagle was banned from this site that's why I have been posting these things for him.
Hey Brian, was this the post from the boa forum you wanted to read??? The post was deleted off kingsnake, but this was just simply copied and pasted.
A FEW MONTHS AGO, A NEW GUY STARTING POSTING ON THE KINGSNAKE CLASSIFIEDS. HE WAS GOING BY THE NAME OF SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM, AND STILL IS. HE ADVERTISED SEVERAL NICE, BREEDER SIZE BOAS. HE DIDN'T HAVE PICS IN THE BEGINNING, SO I ASKED HIM TO EMAIL ME PICS OF THE ADULT PAIR OF PERUVIANS HE HAD ADVERTISED FOR $2500. I ALSO ASKED HIM TO EMAIL ME PICS OF SEVERAL BREEDER SIZE GUYANAS AND SURINAMES HE HAD ADVERTISED AS WELL. HE EMAILED ME PICS OF THE TWO PERUVIANS AND SEVERAL GUYANAS AND SURINAMES. THE PAIR OF PERUVIANS LOOKED TO BE EXTREMELY NICE IN THE PHOTOS, SO I OFFERED DALE $2000. HE TOOK MY OFFER AND WE MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO MEET AT THE ATLANTA SHOW IN DECEMBER. I HAD NOT PLANNED ON GOING TO THE SHOW, BUT SINCE IT WAS ONLY 2.5 HRS. AWAY, AND IT WAS A LARGE PURCHASE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO BUSINESS THERE AND MEET HIM IN PERSON, SINCE I HADN'T HEARD OF HIM BEFORE. A FEW WEEKS LATER, ME AND MY HELPER DROVE TO ATLANTA TO ATTEND THE SHOW. WE MET DALE PICOLA THERE, PREPARED TO PICK UP THE PERUVIANS. DALE TOLD ME THE PERUVIANS HAD BEEN LOST IN SHIPPING, YET HE HAD SEVERAL TABLES FULL OF ANIMALS. I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED, SO I TOLD HIM I WAS GOING TO WALK AROUND THE SHOW AND CHECK BACK LATER TO SEE IF THEY HAD ARRIVED, BEFORE I HEADED BACK FOR CHATTANOOGA. SO I PRECEEDED FROM TABLE TO TABLE, LOOKING AT ALL THE ANIMALS. I MADE MY FIRST PURCHASE FROM BILL AT GLADES. THEN I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING WITH BEN SIEGEL AND HIS WIFE STACEY. I PURCHASED ONE SMALL SURINAME FROM BEN. I CONTINUED AROUND FROM TABLE TO TABLE, WHEN I NOTICED THAT DALE PICOLA WAS FOLLOWING ME, TRYING TO SEE WHAT I WAS BUYING. I THOUGHT MAYBE HE HAD INFORMATION ON THE MISSING PERUVIANS. SO I ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY NEW INFORMATION AND HE SAID, "NO". I FOUND THIS A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT CONTINUED ON ABOUT MY BUSINESS. I STAYED AT THE SHOW FOR FOUR HOURS AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AT LEAST TWICE. AT THAT TIME, I NEEDED TO GO HOME, SO I WENT AND ASKED MR. PICOLA IF THE ANIMALS HAD SHOWN UP. HE SAID, "NO", BUT OFFERED ME SOME OF THE ANIMALS HE DID HAVE. THE FIRST ANIMAL HE OFFERED WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LARGE MALE SURINAME. UPON EXAMINING THE ANIMAL, I IMMEDIATELY NOTICED THAT IT WASN'T A SURINAME, BUT A PERUVIAN. IT ALSO WAS NOT A MALE, IT WAS A FEMALE. AT THIS TIME, I FIGURED DALE WAS JUST VERY UNEDUCATED. THIS ANIMAL ALSO HAD DIME SIZED SCARS IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS. THE SCARS ARE SOLID WHITE AND WERE COMPLETELY HEALED, BUT I ASKED DALE WHAT HAD CAUSED THEM. HE SAID THEY WERE NOT SCARS AT ALL, THAT SHE WAS "PIEBALD". AT THIS TIME, I WAS REALLY STARTING TO WONDER ABOUT MR. PICLOA'S INTELLIGENCE, BUT NEVER THE LESS, I ASKED HIM HOW MUCH. HE SAID $600, SO I OFFERED HIM $300, AND HE QUICKLY SAID "OK". WE THEN MOVED ON TO AN ADULT 7FT. FEMALE SURINAME. SHE WAS A VERY AVERAGE ANIMAL, BUT AT LEAST SHE HAD NO SCARS. SO I ASKED HIM HOW MUCH FOR HER AND HE SAID AGAIN $600. I OFFERED HIM $300, AND HE QUICKLY SAID "OK" AGAIN. HE THEN SHOWED ME SEVERAL, VERY THIN, IMPORT GUYANAS, BUT I WASN'T INTERESTED IN THEM. I WAS ABOUT TO LEAVE WITH MY 2 ADULT BREEDERS FOR $600, AND DALE SAID HE HAD 3 MORE BOAS THAT WERE 5FT.SIPPERLY SURINAMES.HE PULLED A RUBBERMAID OUT FROM UNDERNEATH HIS TABLE AND SHOWED ME THE TRIO. THEY WERE A BIT THIN, BUT AGAIN, I ASKED "HOW MUCH?", AND HE SAID "$1200 FOR THE TRIO". I OFFERED HIM $600 AND ONCE AGAIN HE QUICKLY SAID "OK". I THOUGHT THIS WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE AND IT WAS! DALE ASSURED ME THAT AS SOON AS THE 2 ADULT PERUVIANS WERE LOCATED, THEY WERE MINE.I GOT MY 5 NEW BOAS AND WENT HOME. ME AND MY HELPER TALKED ABOUT WHAT A GREAT DEAL I HAD GOTTEN FROM DALE, ALL THE WAY HOME. I GOT THE ANIMALS HOME, PUT THEM IN THE QUARANTINE BUILDING, AND SPRAYED THEM FOR MITES, AS I DO WITH ALL MY "NEWCOMERS". UNFORTUNATELY, THEY HAD A FEW MITES, BUT I GOT THEM CLEARED UP WITHIN A FEW DAYS. ALL THE BOAS READILY FED AND APPEARED OUTWARDLY HEALTHY. I KEPT THE BOAS IN QUARANTINE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND SEVERAL FEEDINGS. THE 3 SUBADULTS THAT I PURCHASED WERE THIN, BUT APPEARED TO BE IN GOOD HEALTH, SO I OFFERED THEM FOR SALE AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE. A PAIR OF THEM WERE PURCHASED BY MR. CHRIS HENRICH.SEVERAL DAYS AFTER RECEIVING THE ANIMALS, CHRIS EMAILED ME AND SAID ONE OF THE BOAS APPEARED TO BE SICK AND HE WAS GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE VET. A FEW DAYS LATER, HE SAID THE BOA DIED. SO I OFFERED HIM A REFUND OR REPLACEMENT ANIMAL. HE EXPRESSED THAT HTE OTHER BOA WAS NOT LOOKING GOOD, SO I ASKED HIM WHAT HE WOULD LIKE ME TO DO, FOR HIM TO BE A SATISFIED CUSTOMER.HE SAID FOR ME TO SEND HIM 2 REPLACEMENT BOAS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LITTLE REDICULOUS, BUT I SENT HIM 2 REPLACEMENT ANIMALS ANYWAY. I KNOW AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS BUSINESS KNOWS I WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY IN DOING THIS. WHEN CHRIS RECEIVED THE REPLACEMENT ANIMALS, HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME WHAT NICE ANIMLS THEY WERE AND HOW NICE A PERSON I WAS FOR DOING SO. I TOLD HIM NO PROBLEM AND APOLOGIZED AGAIN FOR THE OTHER ANIMAL. I DID ALL THIS IN GOOD FAITH WITHOUT SEEING A PICTURE, MUCH LESS HAVING THE DEAD SNAKE. SEVERAL WEEKS LETER, CHRIS CALLED ME SAYING HE HAD A VET REPORT SAYING THE ANIMAL HAD DIED FROM IBD AND WAS REQUESTING THAT I PAY HIS VET BILL, OR HE WOULD GO ON THE FORUM AND BOI AND RUIN MY BUSINESS. AT THAT TIME WITH NO DEAD ANIMAL OR VET REPORT IN HAND, I TOLD HIM TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTED TO. AS YOU ALL KNOW, HE POSTED ON THE FORUM AND NOW CONTINUES TO POST ON THE BOI REGARDING THIS MATTER. CHRIS ASKED ME WHERE I ACQUIRED THE ANIMALS FROM AND I TOLD HIM I PICKED THEM UP AT THE ATLANTA SHOW FROM DALE PICOLA (SAN DIEGO VIVARIUM). HE THEN TOOK PICS, SENT THEM TO DALE AND CALLED HIM TO CONFIRM THAT THEY WERE IN FACT THE SAME ANIMALS I HAD PURCHASED FROM HIM. DALE CONFIRMED THEY WERE THE SAME ANIMALS.CHRIS HAS CONTINUED TO ATTACK ME THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE ORDEAL, EVEN THOUGH I DID EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE IT RIGHT, SHORT OF PAYING HIS VET BILL. ON THE OTHER HAND, I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED THE PERUVIANS IN QUESTION FROM DALE, NOT THAT I WANT THEM NOW! NOR HAVE I RECEIVED AN EXPLANATION FOR THE SICK BOAS I HAD PURCHASED FROM HIM. I KNEW IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BE HAVING PROBLEMS TOO. A FEW WEEKS AGO, A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, CHUCK BARKER (CENTRAL FLORIDA REPTILE BREEDERS) CALLED AND TOLD ME THAT A FRIEND OF HIS THERE IN FLORIDA, MATT HUNTER (TRUEREDTAILS.COM)BOUGHT SOME BOAS FROM DALE PICOLA, NOT KNOWING THE DANGER. ONE OF THE ANIMALS HE PURCHASED WAS AN ADULT SURINAME. DALE ADVERTISED HER FOR $650, AND MATT OFFERED HIM $300 AND HE TOOK IT. MATT SAID ALSO THAT HE THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS UP, BUT PURCHASED THE ANIMALS ANYWAY. THANKFULLY MATT PUT THE ANIMALS IN QUARANTINE, BECAUSE WITHIN ONLY A FEW DAYS, THIS BEAUTIFUL OUTWARDLY HEALTHY LOOKING SURINAME DIED. MATT TOOK THE ANIMAL TO THE VET AND HAD A NEUCROPSY DONE. THE RESULTS CAME BACK POSITIVE FOR IBD. MATT CONTACTED DALE AND HE CLAIMED "HE PICKED UP IBD FROM A PET STORE" AND HE WOULD BE REFUNDING MATT'S MONEY ASAP. I SPOKE WITH MATT TODAY BEFORE ELABORATING ON THIS TOPIC. AND BY THE WAY, MATT HAS YET TO RECEIVE HIS MONEY. I HOPE THIS SHEDS SOME NEW LIGHT ON THE IBD SITUATION. AND HEY DALE, I STILL HAVE THE ADULT PERUVIAN. YOU KNOW, THE "PIEBALD", AND THE ADULT SURINAME, AND ONE OF THE SUBADULTS. THEY ARE IN MY QUARANTINE BUILDING AND THEY APPEAR TO BE DOING FINE.I HAVE CONTACTED DR. ELLIOT JACOBSON AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND AM MAKING ARRANGEMENTS TO SEND THEM DOWN. NOT THAT I NEED ANY MORE PROOF, JUST THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP IN THE STUDY OF THIS DISEASE. I ALSO FELT THIS POST WAS NECESSARY TO INFORM ALL THE OTHER HERPERS OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO QUARANTINE YOUR ANIMALS.
I hope everyone can see from this that Bill is taking the right steps to figure out what happened with these animals, donating them for research. He has a rather large queritine room and the group he got off this knuckle head in S.D. were isolated to one side, till they were removed from the building. IBD is NOT airborn, this being the case means nothing else in that room was at risk. There was no comunal caging etc. So I hope people can see he is taking the precautions nessacery and has taken them throughout the whole event. later on, Jason
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