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Inquiry Robert Bruce / Eastern Indigo's

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I'm looking to get a Eastern Indigo snake. I saw Robert Bruce had some listed on KS. Has anyone done business with him? So far I've seen positive things on him and he seems like a very nice legit breeder but, just double checking.

Thanks in advance!
 
I had a male Indigo from him, and he was more then a perfect animal. Unfortunately he was a male. Personally I love Seth's snakes more.
 
I bought a female from Bruce several years ago, female. It thought it was a cobra! Meanest Indigo I've ever met. Got rid of it because of it's attitude. I'm afraid it could be inherited. Anyone know? S.
 
I purchased an eastern male red throat from Robert last year. I think it arrived around maybe October? New hatchling that he kept to make sure it was taking F/T. No complaints from me. The snake is healthy as can be so far. A good eater. I have emailed Robert since purchase, takes him a day or three but has always responded fully. Still helpful as ever.

Shipping methods are great. The box I received was better than expected. And I was the unfortunate receipent of airline screwups. They lost the snake in Atlanta. I contacted Robert and he was on it in a flash. I received constant updates from him. Even phone calls. Snake was found a day later and I got it that night I think. Once the snake arrived it looked great. As if it had shipped out that same day. So I have to give all that to his packaging. Wasn't below freezing in October but it was cold at night and we had no idea where the snake was till the next day.

Snake is still doing great. About the only problem I had was getting him to use the moist hide box to help with sheds. Maybe dumb luck and trial by error but figured out what to change and it's been perfect since then.

He is friendly as can be and definately enjoys being held. Don't know about him actually recognizing his owner but he is anything but mean. Anyone can hold him and he is still very young. I would imagine that will stay right along with him through adulthood. At least I hope so.

Brian Rosborough
 
I have one male and one female from Robert Bruce. Both 2011 - Female is a sweetheart (black phase) male bites me (makes a few attempts) every time I hold him.
 
I am told aggression is very rare for eastern indigo. I fed my male until he refuses food. Bastard tries to bite me. He bites innate objects for no reason. He is beautiful!
 
Robert Bruce a great guy. HIs heart is in his Indigos. I always see him at the Reptile Super Show in Pomona and has some beautiful Indigos. If I were to buy an Indigo, I would go straight to Mr. Bruce. He is nice and well educated on his species. I know he has bred them for decades.
 
I bought several Indigos from Robert & spent many thousands of $$$$$$$, had very disappointing results. one female was stunted & died suddenly at four years old, she also had split belly scales, another male had bad scales. One female died egg bound, the rest i traded out. Maybe i was very unlucky, Robert is a nice guy but i will never buy from him again. There are a LOT of in bred Indigos in the hobby, be very careful what you buy as most if not all in the US are related. Alan Brutosky would be my go to guy for any Dry`s.
 
Alan has the most diverse blood easterns you can find!Instead of inbreeding a already inbreed species for things like more red,he has worked hard to get them with out inbreed defects.
 
I would not buy any eastern indigos until outbred ones are available (won't be anytime soon). They're nothing but heartbreak (see Andrew Cannon's post). If you want rarer Drymarchon get some captive bred rubidus (Mexican Red Tailed Indigos) from Alan Brutosky (contact him on FB through East Coast Drymarchon page) or Chris Rodriguez (Black Pearl Reptiles).
 
I bought an female Eastern Indigo (Black throat) from Robert about a year ago and he is by far one of the best indigo breeders I have met. He keeps full records to show that she is not inbred and the snakes entire lineage. He even keeps your information just in case you decide that you want another snake that he can help pick something that doesn't come from the same line.
I know of 2 others who have bought 5 indigos from him and they have nothing but positive feedback.
Check out this group on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/theindigocollective?fref=ts
 
My sweatheart Eastern Indigo from Robert Bruce - 4 years old - just suddenly died yesterday. Blood in stool. No good reason. My male is beautiful and still bites me every time he is handled
 
Bobby O said:
I would not buy any eastern indigos until outbred ones are available (won't be anytime soon). They're nothing but heartbreak (see Andrew Cannon's post). If you want rarer Drymarchon get some captive bred rubidus (Mexican Red Tailed Indigos) from Alan Brutosky (contact him on FB through East Coast Drymarchon page) or Chris Rodriguez (Black Pearl Reptiles).
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Easterns Here in the US,i have wondered how small the gene pool really was that started all we have now?Must had been a very small number of animals that we started with?I know ever species of snakes are different and easterns are a wide range moving animal in the wild,but snakes in breed in the wild and in captivity all the time with no problems.I guess cause the inbreeding kept getting done generation after generation is why there having defects!Id guess not a whole lot of people even know a close number of starting animals.Robert and or alan may know a close figure?
 
isoglut said:
My sweatheart Eastern Indigo from Robert Bruce - 4 years old - just suddenly died yesterday. Blood in stool. No good reason. My male is beautiful and still bites me every time he is handled
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Can I ask what you were feeding? I know some people feed road kill and other food they catch which could carry parasites or diseases.
 
I have a '13 male from Robert and couldn't be happier. So far, he's been healthy, eats like a champ, and has no obvious defects. Robert answered my emails and calls in a timely manner, and the shipping was first class. The only "complaint" I have is I felt my snake came to me a bit smaller than he should have been, probably due to "maintenance feeding". But, with snakes like indigos, I can see how "maintenance feeding" would be in the breeder's best interest.

The inbreeding problem is certainly a concern, but Robert isn't the only one with that problem.
 
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