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Bad Guy Robert Ringhoff of PA,

I am still trying to figure out how to post the 6 not 16 pics that Robert sent to me. Looks like the file sizes are over double of what is allowed to upload straight to this site. I can't use the link that the person gave above to do anything with pics. I just noticed that Rob left this boi as soon as I logged in. Maybe he is trying to fabricate some more 'proof'. I did tell him of this site yesterday. It was the second of 6 times that he called me that he was given that information.

Another piece of info from wonderful paypal is that they won't take any action to reverse this transaction right away since there isn't a signed notorized contract for them to view. It's not found in his favor because he 'told the truth', its because they are not giving me any buyer protection.

Regardless of what is said by anyone, it is buyers remorse if you deal with Robert and Denise Ringhoff. I shouldn't have taken this scam when Robert called me about it, but I thought paypal had my back in case he was scamming and they backed out.
 
Also, if I called Robert and supposedly told him about dead snakes and to return money before sending them back and whatever else he is claiming, he should be able to provide a scanned copy of his phone bill showing that he accepted a call from me when this allegedly occurred. Robert's story is changing more times than he can fabricate 'proof' for. And that doesn't even match what you told paypal either. Which story is Robert going to pick and stick with??? The email that Robert provided shows that it is $1900 that I am supposed to pay, not $2000 as he had corrected, or $2000 then an additional $1500 that he told paypal.
 
First off Jason, going back and reading all your posts helped me connect a few dots. Before even sealing the deal to purchase the snakes it sounds like you had PayPal's "buyer protection" thing memorized, even called them several times you said. It kind of sounds to me like you had this planned from the get go and when it didnt work out and they would not give you the money and let you keep the snakes is when youre having a pitty party for Jason fit. You thought you had them, or so it seemed and you lost and now your pissed off. The email that I posted was just to reflect how careless of a purchase you made. "send a few pics of the females when you get a chance"...what is that? I am piecing your plan together, you were so calm about it because you really did try and make me your scapegoat to get your order and money back. I sent you the pics that you requested which were quality pics. If you didnt like them or couldnt make them out then why did you proceed? Exactly, you thought from the get that you were going to scam me and paypal. Why else care more about paypals regs then the snakes you were purchasing? I was able to send some of the pics you requested to my gallery, I know your having trouble doing that too right? You have done nothing but lie. Im done with this, I have nothing further to say to you. I have a feeling this thread you started is going to turn around and bite you in the ass, and you deserve it.
 
WAIT!!! I have figured it out.....Jason stuck the 6 snakes in his pants when we weren't looking!!! Oh..........no.........thats still doesnt explain all the males????????????
 
bshinkle said:
WAIT!!! I have figured it out.....Jason stuck the 6 snakes in his pants when we weren't looking!!! Oh..........no.........thats still doesnt explain all the males????????????
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As of RIGHT NOW, neither party has produced the pictures that have been asked for. I am still waiting to actually see the snakes. Jason if you want people to completely support you, you are going to have to take pictures of the snakes in question (maybe even take shots of the tails for a rough guess at sex). Thus far all that has been posted is a series of emails. Your claims are based on not receiving the correct snakes, you have to throw up some photos. Robert you should do the same (you can simply attach the photos to the post using the "Manage Attachments" option under "additional options."
 
I posted photos lastnight, as soon as I was asked to. I put them in my gallery. Not sure how that works but when I click on the gallery my pics come up.
 
It is amazing what you can find on the internet. This poor guy's name is Jason Allen Williams too. Sucks when people post things that just might NOT be YOU but the stigma now remains, dont you think? Sounds like you could be an animal abuser. Thought you loved animals....if this is you anyway.
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Jason Williams, accused of beating dog, found able to stand trial in Allegan
Published: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:29 PM Updated: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 2:03 PM
By John Tunison | The Grand Rapids Press
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Jason Allen WilliamsALLEGAN -- Jason Allen Williams is accused of beating his dog and feeding it antifreeze, has been found competent to stand trial.

Williams was charged with torturing an animal after a neighbor in Dorr Township, where Williams lived in November, witnessed a man beating a dog strung up over a tree branch by his leash.

Prosecutors initially charged Williams with misdemeanor animal abuse, but later sought a felony warrant after learning he allegedly fed the dog antifreeze. Williams has told prosecutors he was trying to euthanize the animal.

The dog, renamed Chance, has since been adopted into a family through a Saugatuck pet rescue program.

Williams' lawyer sought a psychiatric exam for his client to see if he was competent for court hearings. He now faces a March 31 probable cause hearing in Allegan County District Court.

E-mail John Tunison: [email protected]
 
robr73 said:
I posted photos lastnight, as soon as I was asked to. I put them in my gallery. Not sure how that works but when I click on the gallery my pics come up.
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Robert,

You need to put links to them in this thread, so that all the information is in the same place. All you have to do is copy one of the links like this:

*These are the snakes from Roberts gallery that he has posted thus far*

1.0 Spider
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1.0 Lesser


0.1 Mojave
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0.1 Cinny
0_1_cinnie.JPG


ETC.

However, there are only 4 snakes posted not the 16 that were sent.
 
It lets you put them on in a series of four and each time I did it it overwrote the previous ones. Im going to try it how you said now.
 
This is the first time that I have seen a pic of a lesser even though I never received one. Some of the pics of the normals are new as well. Looks like you had time to take the new pics of those since you still have those animals. You still haven't provided any proof of any of these alleged phone calls where I told about some dead animals. No dead animals here, sorry. And Robert, are you that stupid to say that someone else is me that has been caught beating dogs? I am from KS not MI. My name is already posted on here. What does it matter if you repost my name?

I would have been nice to receive at least the other snakes that you pictured so I wouldn't have been cheated as bad. It's great that even you say that you had a group of snakes that were a scam at that price. Where do I say that I made multiple phone calls to paypal prior to making the payment? I know I said that I made one; where do all of these extra calls keep coming from that you say I am always making? And why are you avoiding most of my questions? I am waiting for a new fabrication from you on those.
 
robr73 said:
First off Jason, going back and reading all your posts helped me connect a few dots. Before even sealing the deal to purchase the snakes it sounds like you had PayPal's "buyer protection" thing memorized, even called them several times you said. It kind of sounds to me like you had this planned from the get go and when it didnt work out and they would not give you the money and let you keep the snakes is when youre having a pitty party for Jason fit. You thought you had them, or so it seemed and you lost and now your pissed off. The email that I posted was just to reflect how careless of a purchase you made. "send a few pics of the females when you get a chance"...what is that? I am piecing your plan together, you were so calm about it because you really did try and make me your scapegoat to get your order and money back. I sent you the pics that you requested which were quality pics. If you didnt like them or couldnt make them out then why did you proceed? Exactly, you thought from the get that you were going to scam me and paypal. Why else care more about paypals regs then the snakes you were purchasing? I was able to send some of the pics you requested to my gallery, I know your having trouble doing that too right? You have done nothing but lie. Im done with this, I have nothing further to say to you. I have a feeling this thread you started is going to turn around and bite you in the ass, and you deserve it.
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ANY smart buyer would want to know what kind of protection paypal offers. This doesn't indicate he was trying to scam you.... it indicates he knows of all the unethical folks that are getting into the reptile hobby to make a quick buck by scamming unsuspecting buyers.

"send a few pics of the females when you get a chance"...what is that?
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I'd say that is an understanding customer that knows you may have more going on in your life than just selling snakes. He is letting you know that he wants to see photos... but it doesn't have to be right this minute.

I sent you the pics that you requested which were quality pics. If you didnt like them or couldnt make them out then why did you proceed?
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If he couldnt make them out... then they were NOT quality pics... they were crap!

You have done nothing but lie. Im done with this, I have nothing further to say to you. I have a feeling this thread you started is going to turn around and bite you in the *** and you deserve it
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actually this way of thinking will come around and bite you in the butt. Anyone accused of wrong doing would defend their name to the end if they were innocent. Those that run away are usually guilty of the charges against them.
 
I posted pics lastnight, as soon as I was asked to. So is your claim now that you didnt receive any pics from me that were identifiable, but still purchased the snakes? I dont understand what you are trying to prove. I was asked to post email correspondence as proof - i did, I was asked to post pics of the snakes that you received (both pics and snakes) - i did. I have proof the snakes were shipped, I have proof that you picked them up. I have proof that paypal did their 2nd investigation and again ruled in my favor. And, I posted that article because you, without knowing anything about me, accused me of being a pedophile because of an article with someone with the same name. I found an article from years back with your name...does that make you a psychotic dog killer? YOU brought my wife and child into your attempt to scam money, that drew the line. Bottom line is you paid for the snakes, I shipped you the snakes, you received the snakes, and now you realize that youre out of work and broke and want to make an extra buck. Not going to happen with me Jason. Get a job like the rest of us to make money and stop whining about paypal screwing you and me screwing you and my wife screwing you and the system screwing you. Grow up.
 
Southern Wolf said:
ANY smart buyer would want to know what kind of protection paypal offers. This doesn't indicate he was trying to scam you.... it indicates he knows of all the unethical folks that are getting into the reptile hobby to make a quick buck by scamming unsuspecting buyers.

Ok, so youre saying he is aware of all the unethical scammers, but trusted that I was legitimate, even after he claims there were sooo many red flags?

I'd say that is an understanding customer that knows you may have more going on in your life than just selling snakes. He is letting you know that he wants to see photos... but it doesn't have to be right this minute.

Ok, so now your saying that money really wasnt that important to him, that he didnt want to know or see what he was purchasing before purchasing them. Wow, he doesnt sound that stupid to me, but youre the one saying it.

If he couldnt make them out... then they were NOT quality pics... they were crap!
Oh, now I get it. Youre saying the pics he DID receive were all crap and not quality soooo heck, why not just proceed and get these snakes from a possible "unethical scammer" who can send pics whenever he feels like it and take pictures of the air and send and say that the pics are really snakes and lets just be THAT trusting. Dude, noone is that stupid. And if you believe all these lies then...I have a bridge Id like to sell you in New York...really I do.
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robr73 said:
Southern Wolf said:
ANY smart buyer would want to know what kind of protection paypal offers. This doesn't indicate he was trying to scam you.... it indicates he knows of all the unethical folks that are getting into the reptile hobby to make a quick buck by scamming unsuspecting buyers.

Ok, so youre saying he is aware of all the unethical scammers, but trusted that I was legitimate, even after he claims there were sooo many red flags?

I'd say that is an understanding customer that knows you may have more going on in your life than just selling snakes. He is letting you know that he wants to see photos... but it doesn't have to be right this minute.

Ok, so now your saying that money really wasnt that important to him, that he didnt want to know or see what he was purchasing before purchasing them. Wow, he doesnt sound that stupid to me, but youre the one saying it.

If he couldnt make them out... then they were NOT quality pics... they were crap!
Oh, now I get it. Youre saying the pics he DID receive were all crap and not quality soooo heck, why not just proceed and get these snakes from a possible "unethical scammer" who can send pics whenever he feels like it and take pictures of the air and send and say that the pics are really snakes and lets just be THAT trusting. Dude, noone is that stupid. And if you believe all these lies then...I have a bridge Id like to sell you in New York...really I do.
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I thought I was pretty clear in what I was saying. Guess Not... I'll try again.

#1 ... I'm saying that it is a smart idea to understand what kind of protections we have as buyers. Whether your buying via paypal, Credit card, or just trading turkeys in a face to face swap.

Maybe... he really liked/wanted what you had to sell. Maybe he was willing to take a risk once he knew the protections he had as a buyer should something go wrong. Are you honestly gonna sit there and say because he tried to learn about his protection as a buyer thru paypal he was working some kind of scam? Are you?

#2 ... Where in your right mind did you get me saying that? You are beyond grasping for staws. I stated that he understood if you couldnt produce photos right this minute thus asking to get them when you could. I loved when I got customers like him wanting photos. They understood that I had a life beyond just breeding snakes. I had one that got upset because he didn't get the photo's within the hour... but he happened to send me the request while I was at work. There was no way to read the email from work or even take the photos he wanted. Your complaining because he wasn't pushy on the photos?

#3 ... Actually... you don't get it. You're the one that stated the photos may not have been clear. If you cant shoot a clear photo then yes... they are crap. You might want to step back and quit trying to put words in my mouth. Cause if you dont you'll just end up looking like a fool. :thumbsup:
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I never said that the photos that were taken were unclear. Jason said that they were unclear. Im not putting words in anyones mouth. What I am reading in your post is that Jason is an EXTREMELY trusting person who the only thing he researched or checked into was that he can get his shipment and be "protected" from paypal and get his money back. Does this really make sense to you/ Seriously? you buy the story that he didnt get pics, or didnt get pics of visible snakes, that I showed all these "scammer" "red flags", yet he sent the money to me anyway? are you really that gullible? Is that the business practice that you follow? Clearly he got the pics or he wouldnt have purchased what he could not see. Clearly he thought he would get the snakes and try to get his money back. Clearly the truth was heard and he lost. What really is left to say? Im not putting words in anyones mouth. These posts kind of say it all.
 
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