Bad Guy Robert Ringhoff of PA,

[SuperMorph]

How do I take pictures of snakes that I don't have when you have them. 40-45 lbs minus 5 lbs of eggs that you 'stole' doesn't equal 27 lbs. There were no heat packs in the styro box. So you are still 10 lbs off. I already said that some of the pics that you posted were the ones that you sent me. 6 pics still doesn't equal 16 pics.

Approx 39# of snakes
plus up to 4# box with no heat packs
equals about 43#
minus 5# of stolen eggs
equals 38# package total that should have been shipped.
STILL about 10 lbs short of what it should be.

John- the only thing I can tell you is don't believe me and go ahead and do business with ringhoff. You still haven't told me what proof is real proof. If pics aren't proof, a witness isn't proof, emails aren't proof, and ringhoff's lies are not proof, what is???

 

[SuperMorph]

I know, I sent you an unidentifiable picture of the "phone log"...so why dont you post that pic like the other ones that everyone is asking you for?

This is from your post number 136. I still have not received an email containing that phone log.

 

[robr73]

Jason, I was being sarcastic...like post the unidentiable pics already, how many times do I have to ask this. You said yours were horrible and the ones I posted were ones that I must have just taken. so show me what you have. The grams/pounds is spot on. You knew that the weights were rounded off because like you said the pics you have (that you cant see) are on scales. Rounded off weights and minus the clutches total viable #17, #2 slugs, and add the container and the yes, i know non-existant, heat pack. then the weights match up. Now the pics everyone is asking for of the pics that are so crappy and unidentifiable proving that the ones I posted were recently taken please.

 

[garweft]

Those weights nowhere near match up. The average ball python egg is just about 90 grams. And the ones pictured are no monsters, with the deli for reference they are just about average, maybe even on the small side.

I did the math myself. The listed weights are just over 38lbs together, the eggs should be around 3.5 lbs. So not even accounting for packaging your looking at a good 34lbs of advertised snakes shipping at 27lbs. If you are going to explain that away as "rounded off" weights, then you need to go back to 3rd grade and learn how to round off.

You have provided nothing of proof to your case, and that shipping weight compared to the sent snake weights is a smoking gun that anyone can see.

 

[SuperMorph]

I have finally been able to get these pics compressed since they were not in email format. Here are four of six that I have received. The other two will post in a min. I am still waiting on ringhoff to send me the other 10 pics of what I am supposed to get.

ringhoff's explanation is still off on the weights as can be figured out. The weights I calculated together were compiled from the weights from the list that ringhoff provided or from pictures that were provided to me that showed a weight. I only received 6 pics and not all show a weight. I will even put down a list of what I received with the weights that the snakes were the night they arrived. I still can't figure out why I was sent a 600g normal male. ringhoff should have kept that one, too.

 

[garweft]

Jason, I was being sarcastic...like post the unidentiable pics already, how many times do I have to ask this. You said yours were horrible and the ones I posted were ones that I must have just taken. so show me what you have. The grams/pounds is spot on. You knew that the weights were rounded off because like you said the pics you have (that you cant see) are on scales. Rounded off weights and minus the clutches total viable #17, #2 slugs, and add the container and the yes, i know non-existant, heat pack. then the weights match up. Now the pics everyone is asking for of the pics that are so crappy and unidentifiable proving that the ones I posted were recently taken please.

The pics are on scales but even a good portion of the ones you posted don't show the weights..... Hmmm, something to hide??

And why round off when you have a scale. I see it, it's right in your pics. How hard is it to write down 3 or 4 numbers in the order you see them on the display??

You can't talk your way out of your lies no matter how hard you try. If you think so you have severely underestimated the average intelligence of those reading this.

 

[robr73]

Jason and I were trying to figure out the weight for shipping prices. He knew the exact weights when he received the pictures, which by the way look pretty legible to me. Theres one pic that shows one snake at 1456 and the weight that we used was 1800, the Mojave is 157 and what we estimated was 260, again these pics were sent to Jason as evident and he did see the weights, these are only a few differences on the grams, the other pics on the scales are estimated and rounded as well so clearly everyone was on the same page with weights when the snakes were purchased. And yes, the eggs are over 90 grams each, not including the slugs so the females weights dropped considerably. So yes, the weight of the package is pretty much spot on. The weights of the snakes in the email were before the snakes were scaled, which is another reason why I took pics of them on scales. Seriously, do the math and it adds up. Good try though. and believe my I am now totally aware of the "intelligience" of the people reading and writing these posts. Thats why I try not to use too many big words.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Good try though. and believe my I am now totally aware of the "intelligience" of the people reading and writing these posts. Thats why I try not to use too many big words.

You can take issue with individual posters and individual posts but do not insult the entire member base here again.

For the record it's "intelligence". I would advise all of you to use some.

That goes for everyone. Debate the information but the sideline bickering and name calling is going to stop.

 

[SuperMorph]

Here is what I received in the 27-28# box from ringhoff.

1.0 normal 570g
0.1 normal 1450g
0.1 'granite' 1170g
1.0 normal supposedly het ghost 1450g
1.0 normal supposedly het ghost 760g
1.0 pastel 840g
1.0 pastel 1230g
1.0 pastel 960g
1.0 cinny 720g maybe blind?
0.1 cinny 850g
1.0 spider 560g

The styro box and bags weigh about 4#.

 

[SuperMorph]

I just realized that the picture of the spider isn't the spider that ringhoff sent me. Is the spider you sent to me the one that you purchased from me in November? He looks better than the one you have in the picture. He is 140g smaller than supposed 700g one that you have in the pic.

 

[robr73]

I really do appreciate that you took the time out to weigh the snakes. It actually helped me out a bit. The snakes you posted weights on equal 23 pounds. The snakes that you didnt post weights on weighed approximately 4 pounds. Oh and I have an exact container like that one and it weighs 1 pound 3 ounces. So if you do the math Jason, it equals out to a T. And I think you just got pretty busted in your lies about the pics being so dramatically "crappy" and that I must have taken the ones I posted recently, well they look the same to me, how do you suppose I did that? Your lies are out now. Jason Williams of Wichita, KS is officially busted!

 

[bshinkle]

I really do appreciate that you took the time out to weigh the snakes. It actually helped me out a bit. The snakes you posted weights on equal 23 pounds. The snakes that you didnt post weights on weighed approximately 4 pounds. Oh and I have an exact container like that one and it weighs 1 pound 3 ounces. So if you do the math Jason, it equals out to a T. And I think you just got pretty busted in your lies about the pics being so dramatically "crappy" and that I must have taken the ones I posted recently, well they look the same to me, how do you suppose I did that? Your lies are out now. Jason Williams of Wichita, KS is officially busted!

I'm getting

 

[robr73]

I'm getting

your getting.........?

 

[bshinkle]

almost 9lbs missing from the list you sent, not 4.
Female normal 1800 or what 1000 after laying eggs?, male mojave 210, female mojave 157 (from your pic), male lesser 976 (from your pic), female lesser 1000...That is still a little over 7lbs of snakes missing???
Thats funny you have another container exactly like the one shipped. Is that the one the rest of the snakes were supposed to be shipped in?

 

[bshinkle]

your getting.........?

lol yeah!! Had to make sure I was adding correctly.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Jason, I just started really reading all of this thread. Considering I had to stop by to state everyone needs to knock off the name calling, I figured I could take the time to read the rest of the thread.

I do have a question for you. If it was addressed already I apologize. You stated you only received 11 snakes. When you add up the snakes in your first post, I only count 10.

This is what I was supposed to get from him:

0.3 Normals 1800g each
0.1 Granite 1800g
1.1 Ghost 800g/1780g
1.2 Pastel 1000g/1060g/1200g
1.1 Cinny 600g/1000g
1.0 Spider 700g
1.1 Mojave 210g/260g
1.1 Lesser 800g/1000g 16

Looks like a great deal, right? Here is what I am missing:

2 female normals 1800g
1 female Granite 1800g
1 male Ghost 800g
1 female Ghost 1780
2 female pastels 1060g, 1200g
1 male mojave 210g
1 female mojave 160-260g
1 male lesser 800g
1 female lesser 1000g -11

I did receive two other pastels that are both males, two supposedly het ghosts that are both males, and a normal male less than 600g. +5

 

[fuzzylogix]

kevin made a great thread called CYA.. i suggest any of you reading this BOI thread take a look at that. all of this back and forth wouldn't happen if you BOTH had taken the necessary steps to make sure this was a smooth transaction. now neither of you has any credibility on this forum because you are bickering back and forth and BOTH reluctant to even try and prove anything. BOTH of you were asked over and over again to produce photos, emails, pictures, etc.. and instead of providing this proof, you guys are personally attacking each other. this thread wouldn't have been 16 pages long already if the OP had put together all of the information in a logical, organized manner and presented it from the very first post. and to the seller, had you taken video or time stamped pics of you packaging every single snake, sealing the container, and affixing the shipping label, you wouldn't have anything to worry about. especially since you claim how it sounded like he was planning on scamming you. now you guys are sitting here arguing about what each snake weighs, how many eggs were laid, and how much a styro box weighs. you BOTH made mistakes, and i honestly hope you BOTH learned a valuable lesson from this. the truth will probably never come out because neither of you covered your "butts". whoever is in the wrong here though, be a man and make it right. karma will catch up to you.

 

[robr73]

1 Female Normal=900 (after clutch), 1 Mojave=157, 1 Mojave=145, 1 lessor=976, 1 lessor=700 (after clutch) These equal 2878 grams which equals 6.3 pounds. This plus the 23 pounds he listed and the 1 pound for the box equals roughly 30 pounds, however, jason said he fed the snakes because they were so dehyrdated and skin and bones so the weight, from what he stated must have been less then weigh in he just did. So once again, do the math.

 

[robr73]

Here is what I received in the 27-28# box from ringhoff.

1.0 normal 570g
0.1 normal 1450g
0.1 'granite' 1170g
1.0 normal supposedly het ghost 1450g
1.0 normal supposedly het ghost 760g
1.0 pastel 840g
1.0 pastel 1230g
1.0 pastel 960g
1.0 cinny 720g maybe blind?
0.1 cinny 850g
1.0 spider 560g

The styro box and bags weigh about 4#.

Im confused about something too Jason. In your first post here on page one you said you never received the granite, but here you have it listed. There are some flaws in your story.[/B]

 

[bshinkle]

They were weighed right out of the box.