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I've been buying frozen rodents from RODENT PRO for many years with absolutely NO problems. I think you are just looking for someone to blame for your own LACK of protocol.... PERIOD!!!! People like you scare me in the fact that you accuse without even notifying them (RodentPro) of what you believe....
 
Show Me said:
They look like maggots IMO. But it does take quit a bit of time for maggots to appear from dead prey. If they are maggots (which I'm not saying they are) ...that would show your lack of care for your snakes.
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Between the humidity and heat in the northeast, for the first time ever I am finding little fly's pretty much everywhere. I Had to even remove spagnum moss from the hideboxes of some of my snakes because I was finding the little bastards in there. Also, the other day a snake that never missed a meal in the 8 years i've had her, hit, wrapped and left the mouse under her newspaper (un-eaten). In less than 48 hours (or pretty damn close to) There were already a dozen fly larvae ( maggot's ) that looked very similar to the pictures you posts, under the prey. IMHO I believe they might be fly larvae. They seem to be horrible this year.. That being said vet's are not god, and a I'm willing to bet they skimmed thru there lessons on parasite identification classes lol

Michael Brown
 
Show Me said:
They look like maggots IMO. But it does take quit a bit of time for maggots to appear from dead prey. If they are maggots (which I'm not saying they are) ...that would show your lack of care for your snakes.
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and also,

http://www.uen.org/utahlink/activities/view_activity.cgi?activity_id=1026

Some reading for you to do if you think maggots take a long time to develop, in the right warm, moist conditions (reptile conditions).

It's pretty insulting to tell a fellow reptile enthusiast he may Lack care for his snakes on a subject you, yourself are clearly ill informed in.


Just saying :shrug01:
 
The rats last about 30 secs tops in the tanks, I hand feed them. I come back thru about an hour or so later and check to see if they were taken, then re-offer or dispose. I thaw them in plastic bags and when they are thawed I put them in hot tap water (still in the bags) to heat up so my snakes see them. I leave them in Ziploc freezer bags specifically because I dont want flies on them. I dont find the worms in the substrate or in the tank only in the water. No they are for sure NOT mosquito larvae. The name of the vet was Atlantic Animal Hospital South. If u wish to contact and question them about this please remain respectful and professional. Like I said before I work with her fiance and I dont want to create a hostile work enviroment from whats been posted on here or what people say to them.
 
They do appear to be maggots, which may not have been laid on the feeders, but possibly feces left in the cage too long.
 
FYI - feces left in a cage just 24 hours can develop maggots so I am not suggesting you are not keeping up with your cage cleaning. I suggest just putting some fly paper around the room.
 
My issue was pinworms were diagnosed in a reptile without a fecal being done. Then again no vet records were ever posted so that is on your word as well.

There are a few different type of flies that will be found around collections of reptiles, especially in summer. Phorid (Carrion) flies are always a problem and might be your culprit.

http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatr...-in-herp-and-invertebrate-collections-part-1/
 
Michael Brown said:
and also,

http://www.uen.org/utahlink/activities/view_activity.cgi?activity_id=1026

Some reading for you to do if you think maggots take a long time to develop, in the right warm, moist conditions (reptile conditions).

It's pretty insulting to tell a fellow reptile enthusiast he may Lack care for his snakes on a subject you, yourself are clearly ill informed in.


Just saying :shrug01:
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I'm in Missouri where it's hot and humid and I don't have maggots on my snakes food nor do I keep the food laying around long enough for maggots . No I'm not going to read your link I don't need to... as I know for a fact flies have to lay eggs on the dead before maggots hatch which means he's a not someone who keeps up on his snakes and their care. If they are hatching out in his snake bins that is terrible!!!
 
garweft said:
My issue was pinworms were diagnosed in a reptile without a fecal being done. Then again no vet records were ever posted so that is on your word as well.

There are a few different type of flies that will be found around collections of reptiles, especially in summer. Phorid (Carrion) flies are always a problem and might be your culprit.

http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatr...-in-herp-and-invertebrate-collections-part-1/
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I am also waiting to see a vet report from his first visit.
 
Those are in no way, shape, or form a pinworm. Or any intestinal parasite. 3 weeks ago, I was picking those out of the wounds of a very sick dog.

Another source for the maggots is if your substrate is damp and left for too long.


I'm sorry, but I REFUSE to believe your vet diagnosed those as pinworms. If your vet truly did, I'm sorry, but they are either so stupid their license needs to be revoked, or they are so unethical that their license STILL needs to be revoked.
 
Shiari said:
Oh, and before it gets brought up... NO, the maggots would NOT survive being frozen.
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You are right, if they are maggots they sure in heck didn't come from Rodent Pro. Maggots are from all food left way to long in cages or nasty bedding.
 
those are a either a new species of pinworm or (i would agree) maggots.

i see these ALL THE TIME in my emergency clinic with stray dogs that are unable to get up and walk anymore, so they just lay in their own feces, and bam, maggots galore
 
Those are probably the larvae of fruit flies. I found these same creatures in three bowls when I arrived home after a week in texas (these were three bowls out of the 40 or 50 in my entire snake room). out of The three bowls I found them in, 2 had been recently soiled and the larvae were still pretty small, but I know fruit fly larvae when I see them and the further evidence that that's what they were was confirmed because I found one of the mama fruit flies in one of those bowls. The other bowl actually appeared to be totally clean, and there was not even a poop in that tub, so I guess the mama fly was desperate and laid her eggs in the only wet spot she found. Change all your bowls of water daily (the larvae of these flies can actually survive in water) and remove every snake poop the moment it is pooped out by a snake. Anything that is damp and inviting to a fly (including clumps of moistened moss, even a clean one) the little flies will find... little buggers are prolific and will breed ANYWHERE they can find... and the larvae are not picky and will survive even on the tiniest fragmented dust particles of "food". I kept track of this thread because as soon as I read that you were finding worms in your water I was willing to bet that it was fruit flies, just as mine were. I got rid of them VERY quickly, just by going through my normal routine the day i got home from texas and continuing as I normally do. Their life cycle is very quick and they can breed/survive on seemingly nothing... they sometimes seem to pop into existance from thin air. seeing fruit flies occasionally does not instantly mean BAD HUSBANDRY... I am sure at one point and time many people here has seen a couple fruit flies somewhere in their house this time of year and wondered where they even came from!
 
It is unlikely that they are fruit flies unless they are keeping fruit in with the snakes. As was noted earlier, the larva are probably phorid fly larva (humpback fly larva) or if the bedding remained damp enough (say under a water bowl) that fungus begins to grow on the bedding, it could be fungus gnats.


Pinworms are not going to be visible without a microscope so that makes it very unlikely that what the person is seeing in the water bowl are "pinworms"... now it doesn't mean the vet didn't find pinworms when he/she looked under the scope. When pinworms are diagnosed from a rodent fed herp, it is necessary to determine if they are actually pinworms that infect herps (in this case snakes) or undigested rodent pinworms which cannot infect herps. False positives are readily possible if the person testing the fecal cannot differentiate between the two.

Ed
 
EdwardK said:
Pinworms are not going to be visible without a microscope
Ed
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Not so. As gross as the following will be...

Parents are told that a way to diagnose if their child has pinworms or not is to look around their anus when they are asleep, as the worms crawl out to lay their eggs.

Pinworms are entirely visible to the naked eye. The eggs however? Not so much.
 
I get gnat larvae in my Crested Gecko food dishes fairly often, and it only takes a day of the food in the tub before there are maggots. They lay in my food bowls, isopod tub (soil), hisser bin (soil), lay boxes (soil), and potted plants (soil...). If they find something moist, they'll lay their eggs in it. I had a huge problem with them for about a month, but they are mainly just an annoyance. I honestly doubt a few worms found in the water bowl constitute as bad husbandry. They lay the eggs, and the eggs hatch pretty quickly.
 
Looks like phorid fly maggots to me.


Larvae develop in moist areas where organic material and standing water are present. Phorid larvae also develop in animal matter. The entire life cycle lasts 25 days or more, depending on the environmental conditions and the availability of food.
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http://www.orkin.com/flies/phorid-humpbacked-fly/
 
rcpreis3 said:
The biggest were about as long as the space between the lines on wide ruled paper. The ones pictured are about half that size. Sorry those two sentences are like a tounge twister in my head.
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aSnakeLovinBabe said:
Those are probably the larvae of fruit flies.
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FYI - The space between the lines on wide rule paper is about 1/3". That's a heck of a fruit fly or gnat.
 
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