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I'm about to buy a few snakes from Ron Billingsly and I was wondering what kind of experiences you have had in dealing with him? It's not that I don't trust him because I always trust someone until given a reason not to, it's just I figure it can't hurt to ask around to give me a little more security (especially because I won't be able to order until I get my prepaid credit card later today anyhow =p). Thanks, Josh Costa.
 
I bought some ball pythons from Ron. There was a little mix up where they didn't get shipped in a timely manner, and just as an "oops, sorry" he sent me an extra python.
When they got here, everything was great. All the animals were perfect.

I have nothing bad to say about Ron. Good guy in my book.

Vinny Buccigrossi
 
I won't tell you what to do, but I do want to give you my experience and take from it what you will- I bought a WC Spilotes from him at a show and it died within 24 hours. It seemed fine at the show but when I got it home it had cheesy discharge out of its cloaca and drank for almost 10 minutes straight like it had never seen water. It was lethargic and released a lot of yellow, sandy, cheesy, fluid and urine overnight and passed away around noon the next day. At first Ron said he'd send me another one, then after over a week of not being able to get ahold of him, he said his son had sold all the other ones and he'd have to give me a refund. Took me another several days to get a refund finally to my Paypal account. Fortunately I'd bought the snake using Paypal at the show. He said he was busy and running several shows and had a tornado hit his house and that was why he took so long to get me my refund. I cannot say whether that was true or not- he didn't seem outwardly dishonest, but I don't know. One thing I can say however, is that that poor snake was obviously severely dehydrated and had a severe cloaca infection.
I'd hesitate to call him a Bad Guy, as he did refund me and was very nice and helpful when I could manage to get ahold of him. But I will never buy anything from him again after that experience.
I know it's a gamble with WC animals, but after getting that snake home and being able to look over it more carefully with less people crowding me and hurrying me along, I can say it was in no condition to have been sold. Part of that is my fault for not checking the cloaca more carefully at the show, but part of that is also the seller's fault for not noticing the shape of the animal to be sold.
Like I said, not a Bad Guy, but not a Good Guy in my book either.
 
I would stay away from his long term captive ball pythons. I bought 5 of his long term captives a few years ago and found ticks on two of them - 3 never fed, for me and the other two are African rat feeders.
I'm almost positive that the 5 that I bought from him were some of his imported gravid females. And I don't know what his definition of long term captive is; but I think it needs some clarification.
He told me he was replacing these adult normals with Co-Doms.
I personally wouldn't buy from him again.
Mike Derks
 
Like 4 years ago i bought some King Snakes from him. all supposed to be proven breeders 4 years old. bought 4 prs and every one of them were sick and couldnt keep anything down. I was out 400 bucks. he wouldnt return my emails or anything. I would stay far far away. that man is a crook.
 
You have me confused with someone else.... Dan?? I have not sold adult pairs of kingsnakes, nor have I shipped Kingsnakes to North Carolina??
If you have any records of this, please provide them to me....

Ron Billingsley [email protected] or mail them to my address.
Just email me and I will provide you that information.
 
oh yeah i have records. Ron Billingsley Noblesville IN? I wont forget a name like that. your email was nightcreatures. Man I dont forget anything or anyone ive bought Colubrids from. Yuma Kings, Chocolate phase kings. reg black and whites. Cause I had purchased some baby Speckled, albino and desert kings about 2 yrs earlier they were fine. i thought i even approached you at the Raleigh Show about 2 years ago. you having some balls and display cases. you left me hanging and with 8 dead snakes and out 400 bucks.
 
why would i have records from 4 years ago? I mean I wouldnt take the time to beware someone not to buy something unless it was the truth. I dont have records from my bank that long ago. but i will give you the address you sent them to. 4110 Old mocksville Rd Salisbury NC 28144. Check your own records. I mean what were you going to do give me a refund from 4 years ago? I mentioned it to you at Raleigh two falls ago. you said we could work on a credit. Im just saying I would run far far away from someone who wouldnt even reply to an email.
 
The name does not ring a bell, I did a show in NC one time.... it was god awful. No customers..... Never been back. But I did not have colubrids at that show either...... Sorry...
If I had sent you colubrids, I would have remembered. From 2004 until recently, all I really did was Ball Pythons. I didn't own, breed or sell Colubrids.
Now in 2008 I got back into some wholesaling... but that was bulk babies I purchased from other breeders. Or animals I got when I bought collections.
Not all deals go 100% swell. Some have problems, but I always do my best to correct or make the customer satifisted with the transaciton.
That is why I do 100% Pay Pal now with online sales. Everything is recorded and if the buyer is unhappy, the money can be refunded thru that site.
Since I can not verify and you can not verify I will just take the bad guy post.
I have had tons of postive transactions selling reptiles.. I have had dozens of deals not go so good.....either missed shipments, animals coming in DOA, animals not what they thought they were buying, etc. everyone has to deal with these issues..... I do what I can. I try my best to make things right.
With some people... unless you bleed.... they are not happy.... i.e. the lady who tried to get gravid balls for $20 each..... and I caught the addition mistake... she cried for two weeks on the BOI... because I wouldn't ship her the gravid balls for $20. Made me a bad guy..... I can live with it.
If I am guilty of something... I'll do the time and pay my dues... but if I'm not... then I will stand and say.... Not guilty.... I'm only human.
 
these were money orders. its been a long time ago. I just know for future experiences that you shouldnt ignore people's emails when something is not right. I mean it may have been a little over 4 years ago. it was when you were getting out of Colubrids in general. 1st go round was good with you but the 2nd was a 400$ mistake.

Sincerely Daniel Fries.
 
Why Would you buy WC animals PERIOD? If you want WC stuff buy it from Ron, but WC stuff always dies, hard to get feeding, mites, ticks, etc. Id go CB but if your into bugs and WC stuff hey Rons got a lot of WC stuff.
 
WC stuff doesn't always die, and I think if you are referring to the spilotes, it has already been stated that she realized the risks of WC. The concern was with the timeliness of Ron's replies and refund.
 
MikeCurtin said:
WC stuff doesn't always die, and I think if you are referring to the spilotes, it has already been stated that she realized the risks of WC. The concern was with the timeliness of Ron's replies and refund.
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Wild caught animals represents new bloodlines, not constantly inbred animals that have problems up the line will continual breedings, brother/sister/son/mother, etc.

If you are diligent, problems with wild-caught animals can mostly be overcome with appopriate treatment, etc. Hydration and submitting a fecal for examination as soon as possible is the key. Then follow-up on treatment.

Randal Berry
 
We've never bought any herps from Ron but did purchase two tower show displays back in 04 or 05 O believe. It was a great transaction and we still use the towers at shows and always have people ask us where we got them. We always tell them ;-)
 
In my case Ron told me they were long term captive. And for the money that I paid for them, they were priced as LTC - not Wild Caught adults with ticks. I never would have purchased the group if he was up front and honest with me concerning how he acquired them. In my opinion he is a salesman and that is what he is more interested in "sales" or just moving product.
Mike Derks
 
Mixed emotions about this guy. I just know if i were buying from him i wouldnt get older snakes. or adults. I would get something young. thats my personal opinion. he acts as if i have never bought a snake from him but thats nothing but a lie. thats ok. i can continue to discourage people to buy from a crook. thats what he is nothing else left to say.

Sincerely Daniel Fries.
 
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