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Wanted Salamanders and newt - preferably local reptile shows

Johnenewt1

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Hi,

Since we are now once again allowed the interstate shipping of the 201 species of salamanders from the Lacey Act, I am looking to purchase:

1) Yellow-spotted salamander or Fire salamander
1) Blue-spotted salamander
1) Green/gray (not yellow) Tiger salamander
1) Mandarin (Chinese Crocodile / Emperor / Halloween) newt


Preferably purchased at the same time. If any exhibitors are selling any at the White Plains NY, Hamburg PA, or Brentwood NY reptile shows, I can meet you there. Please let me know if anyone is able to get these for me. Thank you.



John
 
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I see that you have excellent taste in salamanders- but you're not planning to keep those species all in the same enclosure, are you?
 
The larger specimens will eat the smaller ones. Newts have toxic skin secretions, so if another salamander eats one, both may die.
Tiger salamanders, especially, have a strong feeding response and will potentially grab hold of any tank mate, regardless of size. If it is too big to eat, the salamander can still cause a serious injury.
One more thing to consider- check your local regulations regarding what species you can legally keep. If I'm not mistaken, tiger salamanders (and possibly other natives) are protected.
 
The larger specimens will eat the smaller ones. Newts have toxic skin secretions, so if another salamander eats one, both may die.
Tiger salamanders, especially, have a strong feeding response and will potentially grab hold of any tank mate, regardless of size. If it is too big to eat, the salamander can still cause a serious injury.
One more thing to consider- check your local regulations regarding what species you can legally keep. If I'm not mistaken, tiger salamanders (and possibly other natives) are protected.

So that means it can just happen among the same species as well as different. I would only keep ones of the same size together.
 
I would say with these, do not mix species. You should be fine, for example, with multiple blue spots or spotteds together. Tigers, though, I would keep individually due to their aggressive feeding response. Other keepers may not agree, but I learned that lesson the hard way, years ago.
 
Really bad idea. Mixing species is ok until it isn't. Almost never works out long-term. Just because of how amphibians absorb and excrete things thru thier skin alone make it dangerous to do so. Along with what was already stated about cannibalization or just aggressive behavior which is much more likely between different species.

If one cares more about 'how cool' it will be to have an enclosure with multiple species than the health of the animals, than one will always fine some way to rationalize why it's ok to do so. It may be cool, but it won't last long. Some salamanders can live up to 20 years. I'd take longevity in separate enclosures over mixing.
 
Lol - that's like saying: "Don't put a border colie and a yellow lab in the same room", or: "Don't put a peacock african cichlid in with a yellow lab mbuna", or: "Don't put a Nigerian Uromastyx in with a Mali Uromastyx lizard". We have done all of the above successfully. Can something go wrong? Of course. Can they also live in harmony? Of course they can. There are things you can do to minimize aggression such as keep them well fed, rearrange their furniture, keep the lights on so they can see who each other is, etc. Let's have some common sense, here - it's not like you're putting a scorpion in with a salamander. That's a recipe for disaster. If everyone was as fanatical as you, they would only be keeping a single fish in their fish tank. I've read multiple care sheets on each of the above species that I'm looking for and not a single one mentions that you shouldn't put different species together even though they have the same living requirements. Anyway, this is not the appropriate section to be posting what your opinion on housing is. This is only a section for people who are looking to purchase amphibians.
 
You're right, not the appropriate section. If you think analogies and comparisons to different animals gives you expertise in salamander keeping have fun buying new ones every year or 2. If you want to educate yourself check out Caudata.org.

I'll stop responding and posting on your threads moving forward.
 
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