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Bad Guy Samantha Walters / A&S Reptiles

Tom Pecanic said:
Rich, let's be honest here for the crowd... We don't like each other, do we? And this is the final nail in the the coffin for you, with me. Is this why you are dumping everything? Did you run into problems recently? I'm curious? This may hurt and I anticipate your retort to this...
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Warning: this thread is about Samantha Walters, keep it on topic
 
A&S Reptiles said:
Excuse me Daniel but you haven't talked to me about 5 months besides when you asked what the girl was eating. The butter is eating just fine on her own. Hence my ad saying slamming rats. I'd take a video of her eating but honestly? Not worth my time. You are the only disgruntled customer I have ever had. Everyone else is happy.

Willow I have owned ball pythons for 5 years now. No I am not new. The snake would have suffered more in my care not having access to mice or asf. So I should have kept her and hoped for the best? Tons of people sell problem feeders.

Brandy, I don't really care if you are a stay at home mommy or not. Good for you, do not tell me how I should live my life or care for my animals as plenty of people have seen my snakes. So you can just stop commenting now as this has NOTHING to do with you or Tom unless you guys talked Daniel into posting this. Since you guys are friends and all.

CJ Hall, Pedro Soto, David Graf, Ceribdis Cree, Tiffany Haas and Amanda Lynn Snyder are a few happy customers of mine. Ask any of them. And I keep in touch with about half of them, which are the local people. Even get happy updates and such. Besides this, I'm doing just fine with my snakes and nobody has the right to tell me I should get out of them and "give them better homes".
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I haven't had a chance to read through the entire thread yet, but this comment really prompted me to stop reading where I was and reply.

It doesn't matter how many happy customers you have. It's the measure of the man/woman how they handle the disgruntled customer. From the little I've read so far - you've made a lot of amateur mistakes. Instead of defending those mistakes, you should woman up, and do what you to resolve this matter quickly if you hope to salvage your reputation.

Back when I worked in retail we knew that a happy customer will tell two or three people, but a unhappy customer will tell ten to twenty people. And those ten to twenty people will continue to spread that word.
 
A resolution is in the works. i offered to pay for a vet visit should the snake come back with parasites. Considering its been in his care for six months and he is new in the game he could have given her the parasites. Regardless, I am waiting on the visit and results.
 
rabernet said:
I haven't had a chance to read through the entire thread yet, but this comment really prompted me to stop reading where I was and reply.

It doesn't matter how many happy customers you have. It's the measure of the man/woman how they handle the disgruntled customer. From the little I've read so far - you've made a lot of amateur mistakes. Instead of defending those mistakes, you should woman up, and do what you to resolve this matter quickly if you hope to salvage your reputation.

Back when I worked in retail we knew that a happy customer will tell two or three people, but a unhappy customer will tell ten to twenty people. And those ten to twenty people will continue to spread that word.
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Words to live by in here.. Excellent post! :yesnod:
 
A&S Reptiles said:
A resolution is in the works. i offered to pay for a vet visit should the snake come back with parasites. Considering its been in his care for six months and he is new in the game he could have given her the parasites. Regardless, I am waiting on the visit and results.
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Samantha, I'm glad to hear that you and the OP have come to a resolution. However, it doesn't appear you "get it" yet. Just because someone is "new in the game" doesn't predicate that THEIR care caused the illness if this snake comes back with a parasite load. IMHO - at this point, it's time to stop trying to deflect blame, and instead, graciously take care of the problem. Offering to pay for the vet visit and tests is a good step.
 
Hate to be the thorn, but a few apologies would go a long way too, but, what do I know? I am still waiting for the 'rabbit' to pop outta the hat still. Another great post Robin... :eek:
 
(((UPDATE))) Tom came by the other night to give a wellness check on this girl and one of our boys to see how they were doing and to give his advice, he administered some flagyl (I think thats what it was) just in case there was something internal that we weren't able to see, the female has some scaring under her chin or something like that he should be able to clarify what that was for sure, said there were no mites (that's a good thing to hear for any snake owner!!!) Told me to give them a day and see how things played out... waited 24 hours and he told me to drop a mouse in with each snake and give them some time, within 10 minutes our boy was in mouse heaven, ended up pounding 5 smaller adults before I told him that was enough for now. We threw a mouse in with the female normal in question on this thread and she didn't want anything to do with it.. luckily we had a very small rat still and tried that.. about 25 mins later squeaking insued and the girl was finally eating her first meal in our care!.. Thanks to Mr. Pecanic our snakes seem to be on a very positive road to improvement!!!

(for those of you asking about the vet and such, yes the female mentioned in this thread is still going to the vet, soon as she passes the small rat she ate we are also taking in the fecal sample to help prove what Tom did helped, as well as to check for any remnants or signs of parasites. More updates soon to follow on that venture as well!)
 
Why didnt I personally get this update? Daniel we have been messaging on fb and you can't message me this? I'm not always on fauna but fb stuff pops up on my phone. If I'm paying for vet bills if shes sick I'd like these updates personally. Its not hard to ask.
 
A&S Reptiles said:
Why didnt I personally get this update? Daniel we have been messaging on fb and you can't message me this? I'm not always on fauna but fb stuff pops up on my phone. If I'm paying for vet bills if shes sick I'd like these updates personally. Its not hard to ask.
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Because you can not be trusted Sammy. You are a liar, a fraud, and it is a proven fact that you do not have a variety of rodents for BP's. That is the one difference between you and Daniel's efforts at getting that snake on track.

You mentioned that nobody has mice, or ASF's in Flagstaff... That means its time to start breeding them, to a smart person, you know someone with intelligence. Now, I have never seen a litter pic, or baby pipping pictures from you, I cant seem to find ANY from you. But, you have your website, you have your business name and logo... BTW. Did you do an LLC, or are you INC., since you are BIG TIME.

If you think you're going to get away with just having "Norway rats" for BP's, no heat tape, a space heater in Flagstaff, and a mentality like you have displayed... Tom says your "type" ALWAYS burn out when they find there ain't much money to be made in this hobby! Good luck in life Sam! :bluegrab:
 
A&S Reptiles said:
Why didnt I personally get this update? Daniel we have been messaging on fb and you can't message me this? I'm not always on fauna but fb stuff pops up on my phone. If I'm paying for vet bills if shes sick I'd like these updates personally. Its not hard to ask.
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This was posted oh about 1am, which I then went to sleep and woke up and before I can really rub my eyes.. we are already on FB discussing and why weren't you made aware of things when they were taking place?.. because of your clear thoughts on Mr. Pecanic, any successful breeder that says they can treat sick snakes/get picky snakes to eat and is willing to try.. regardless of me taking it to the vet.. is more than welcome to come and give it a shot. Also lets not forget since you wanted to make so clear to me that you're NOT going to pay for the vet visit if she has a clean bill of health (which .. whatever thats cool)... You're also not going to be paying the vet bill out of pocket, you're going to be reimbursing me over time (if she comes back as being "sick").. so sense money is still flowing from my pocket, and this snake is still under my care.. his treatment is not only welcomed but I'm pretty sure that most would says its warranted?
 
Now, figure out how you are going to compensate these people Samantha! Tom's got more invested in that Female BP than you do right now. You owe him an apology YESTERDAY!
 
But, the snake hasn't been to a vet.

And please, can we stop saying that a temp controlled room is the wrong way to keep ball pythons? It's every bit a viable option as anything else. Several of the top breeders do it (including VPI), and I have given it some serious consideration myself after the fires that have wiped out the collections of others. Do you believe these animals have hot spots to lie on in the wild? Please, where do I sign up for this elitist, know-it-all club?
 
I tend to agree with Shadera with regards to the room heat comment. I am also not sure how the type of rodents someone breeds is relevant to how they handle their business transactions. I think Samantha certainly could have/should have handled this one better, but I don't see how knowing she bred one type of rodent over another would have changed my opinion.
 
FWIW, someone also might want to look into practicing veterinary medicine without a license, and the penalties involved. It's one thing to help your buddies out, but another altogether to say publicly that your expertise is as good as any vets and you're taking clients.
AZ law, specifically Article 3:
http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusazst32_2201_2296.htm
penalties:
http://www.avma.org/advocacy/state/issues/scope_unauthorized_practice.asp

There are also plenty of people out there who raise ball pythons on nothing but regular rats. Someone's just nitpicking now that they've scented blood.

Go after someone for what they've done wrong, but for goodness' sake, leave it at that. Maybe it's time to step back for a few days, relax, and look at this all from a fresh perspective. You stand to hurt yourselves as well with your latest replies. Is it worth it?
 
Shadera said:
But, the snake hasn't been to a vet.

And please, can we stop saying that a temp controlled room is the wrong way to keep ball pythons? It's every bit a viable option as anything else. Several of the top breeders do it (including VPI), and I have given it some serious consideration myself after the fires that have wiped out the collections of others. Do you believe these animals have hot spots to lie on in the wild? Please, where do I sign up for this elitist, know-it-all club?
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Well I haven't read this thread but I just noticed this particular post and I will say I've always controlled the temperatures in reptile rooms. Belly heat etc. has always been a secondary factor.
 
I dont think keeping and breeding rodents is at ALL a requirement in keeping these animals. But, having the ability to go and purchase what you need, when you need it, IS a requirement. As long as the needs are met, nobody has to keep that kind of breeding stock on hand. Thats a bit of a stretch.
 
Pretty much, asking a local petstore to carry them can do one well, I dont have ASF breeders right on top of me, but all i have to do is go to hamburg and purchase some or visit a few other shows in my surroundin area. a simple post online will usually suffice, as well. For someone who sounds overburdened enough as is, i find that terrible advice. "go get MORE animals!" i say she sounds like she needs to seriously downsize and sort out her collection.
 
Shadera said:
But, the snake hasn't been to a vet.

And please, can we stop saying that a temp controlled room is the wrong way to keep ball pythons? It's every bit a viable option as anything else. Several of the top breeders do it (including VPI), and I have given it some serious consideration myself after the fires that have wiped out the collections of others. Do you believe these animals have hot spots to lie on in the wild? Please, where do I sign up for this elitist, know-it-all club?
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I tend to agree with Shadera with regards to the room heat comment. I am also not sure how the type of rodents someone breeds is relevant to how they handle their business transactions. I think Samantha certainly could have/should have handled this one better, but I don't see how knowing she bred one type of rodent over another would have changed my opinion.
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SERPENTS DEN said:
Well I haven't read this thread but I just noticed this particular post and I will say I've always controlled the temperatures in reptile rooms. Belly heat etc. has always been a secondary factor.
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Mooing Tricycle said:
I dont think keeping and breeding rodents is at ALL a requirement in keeping these animals. But, having the ability to go and purchase what you need, when you need it, IS a requirement. As long as the needs are met, nobody has to keep that kind of breeding stock on hand. Thats a bit of a stretch.
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Careful,
Y'all are dangerously close to making someones "DNBFOST list."
:rolleyes:

This thread has exhausted it's usefulness, but apparently not fully served it's intended purpose.
 
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