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Bad Guy Samantha Walters / A&S Reptiles

1.) You're right Sam it is a he said / she said, sadly I lost my information.. luckily I didn't lose information from 5 months ago when we bought her asking for help, or I would be screwed...

2.) 1000 grams in a month?!?! are you serious, sure I was upset when you told me she dropped all the weight and gained it back in 3 months (supposedly) but this... this just floors me.

3.) All it takes is 1 customer to have 1 bad experience with business and that pretty much wipes out all your "atta boys", if and when we get to the point where we are a "business", if I have a customer come to me with a problem.. you better believe the first thing I do is make sure I make it right and I can safely assume that almost any big name breeder / business will say the same.

4.) No, you're right.. if a hatchling eats 3 times and then moves onto the new home, it is not the responsibility of the breeder... first, this isn't a hatchling, it's a big female.. something that DRASTIC weight loss should only happen in egg laying. Second losing so much weight in such a short time span, then regaining it on a few meals in 5 months the math isn't there.. the facts aren't there Sam, we've had her for 5 months.. you say you sold her to us at 2000 grams (your words, my fault I didn't check when I got home.. not the issue here) so you sold her to us at 2000 grams.. this snake hasn't eaten once.. on ANYTHING and she's at 1611 grams.. 5 months.. 389 grams.. there's the math for ya.. no where near 1000 grams.

5.) I'm sorry that Tom got a hit for not mentioning my name, I'm totally ok with it as I like to just sit back usually and see what happens, I don't prefer to cause turmoil.. but this had to be done. As for my relationship with the pecanic's.. we had bought a boa from them some time back (who is amazing and doing wonderfully), this guy.. comes out and volunteers his time to personally try and help get a snake that I got from YOU back to where it needs to be, correct me if I'm wrong but should I not take help offered? should I turn it down and just give it away? No, this snake has been through enough and she's going to get the help she needs and HOPEFULLY she makes it through this all to have a very long life (as long as snakes have lol)


(((for those reading if my thoughts are jumbled here and weird.. sorry just woke up)))
 
(((edit, meant that to say I'm ok with Tom having said our name.. not that I'm ok with him getting dinged.. sorry for that )))
 
A&S Reptiles said:
Maybe I should have, but she was extremely energetic, more so than some of my baby ball pythons. If she was lethargic it would have been a different story. But that snake never stopped moving, I did not tell him she dropped that weight because I did not think it was an issue. She gained every gram back. We are at 7000 feet elevation and she came from California. It was also getting colder.
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IMO, if a ball python is very active and "never stops moving" that is even more indicative that there may be an issue. It isn't normal behavior, at least in my experience.
 
Samantha you have been reading this thread...and were actively posting before you got called out on a very large disclosure issue

How do you explain selling a sickly snake to someone and not disclosing the information?

How do you explain owning ball pythons for 5 years, and being unaware that a 50% weight loss and regain in a 6 month period makes that animal a sickly animal.

How do you explain yourself in this situation?
 
I'm currently getting ready to go to work. I dont get off til 6. I have a life outside this thread and that comes first. I will post when i can.
 
Willow said:
Samantha you have been reading this thread...and were actively posting before you got called out on a very large disclosure issue

How do you explain selling a sickly snake to someone and not disclosing the information?

How do you explain owning ball pythons for 5 years, and being unaware that a 50% weight loss and regain in a 6 month period makes that animal a sickly animal.

How do you explain yourself in this situation?
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All legitimate questions!
 
A&S Reptiles said:
I'm currently getting ready to go to work. I dont get off til 6. I have a life outside this thread and that comes first. I will post when i can.
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Well enjoy your day at work then...I really hope the $160 something you made off this animal was worth the reputation to your business that you have now and will suffer from this mistake.

Selling a sick snake, without disclosing that information to the person buying the animal, does deserve a bad guy thread. Any snake that looses 50% of its body weight (without laying eggs) and regains it in less then 6 months, is a SICK snake.

Before you go blaming the person you bought the animal from...it lost and regained the weight in your care, you did not seek help from the person you bought it from, and YOU made the choice not to tell the person who bought from you. That makes this situation YOUR bad.
 
hymm

it seem to me that the seller should have forwarned the buyer about feeding habits of this ball python and givin a feeding card to him when he bought the animal. even though ball pythons will go off feed they should not be doing it all the time this issue could be a health issue and the buyer needs to take the python to the vet for a well check up. and the seller shouldn't sold the animal until she was feeding regulary on a set schedule. this python is in need of help due to the fact that the seller didn't wait on the sell. Shia. if you can try to pre kill the rats the python seem tobe use to life prey also you can try dip the rodent head in chicken broth to get a feeding responce. and next time Sam be up and honest about all your issues with an animal to the buyer at time of the sell you are selling a living animal not an inanimate object
 
Now you're throwing words out there. the snake was not sick! He saw the snake in person as well. Seeing as this is going no where I will have another breeder up here on this thread who saw the snake several times. It was healthy and eating in my care. he even said everything went great until he brought her own. His care. she left mine perfect.
 
Wow...Samantha...REALLY??

Healthy and eating??

now you are lying, since you already admitted it was a problem eater. and that animal was FAR from healthy

How is someone who sees the snake in person supposed to know that the animal lost and regained 1000 grams in less then 6 months???
 
Everyone here can obviously see how much you care about your animals....since losing and regaining 1000 grams in less then 6 months is what you consider a healthy animal.

My mind is so blown atm o_O
 
Im ashamed of being an arizona native and living here now. a couple bad AZ threads lately.

I hope all works out. 50% loss of body weight in an adult, wow. that doesnt even happen after they drop a clutch.
 
A&S Reptiles said:
Now you're throwing words out there. the snake was not sick! He saw the snake in person as well. Seeing as this is going no where I will have another breeder up here on this thread who saw the snake several times. It was healthy and eating in my care. he even said everything went great until he brought her own. His care. she left mine perfect.
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This seems to be a commonly expressed Noob sentiment. That the fact that something doesn't happen to be dead YET, equates to it being healthy.

A&S Reptiles said:
Eating once a month for 5 months is not a feeding snake in my opinion.....
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Is it just me, or do the statements in bold not quite jive up?
 
I agree Dan....tho the snake was eating, it was not eating well. Beyond that, it lost and regained 1000 grams in under 6 months. That is just UNHEARD of in any healthy animal that hasn't given birth to something.

Smanthat the way you are handling yourself in this thread is becoming a joke. You contradict yourself, and now you are lying by trying to claim that animal was healthy and eating.

If you honestly think that animal was healthy, you have bigger issues then just being a dishonest person.
 
A&S Reptiles said:
This is ridiculous. I'm getting a bad guy because I sold a problem feeder?
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Having not read the entire thread yet this is a bad idea to post without catching up but I'm going to do it anyway. Shame on me.

Anyway, This first line seems to stick on a pattern and seems you don't consider much to be a "big deal".

I'll take this from your first post in a recent other thread.

Also, the scar marks are just that, SCARS.
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You make it seem like not much is a big deal. So, I sold a snake with scars, doesn't eat, has mites, Oh it wasn't that big of a kink, So what if it was missing his head... LOL.. You get the picture.

Anyway, a BP going off feed after changing environments isn't unheard of.
As long as the buyer is made aware of problem feeders (if known ahead of time) I see no problem.

To the OP, some adjustments and hopefully your snake should do just fine if it was feeding great for the original breeder. From what I just read it has gone off feed both times it was sold. Doesn't do well with environment changes. Tweaking some minor things may work. I'm sure many of us can give some good suggestions. It's just not the type of prey offered that contributes to strong feeding. Now to read the rest of this...
 
big shame on you Dennis...as I know you will have something to say on the 50% weight loss and regain in under 6 months I'm sure :p

Would anyone in their right mind think that was a healthy animal??

and would anyone in their right mind find this person a good guy for not disclosing such a HUGE health issue.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the issues that poor snake is going through =( I couldn't even fathom any of my snakes dropping weight like that without laying a clutch.
 
Willow said:
big shame on you Dennis...as I know you will have something to say on the 50% weight loss and regain in under 6 months I'm sure :p

Would anyone in their right mind think that was a healthy animal??

and would anyone in their right mind find this person a good guy for not disclosing such a HUGE health issue.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the issues that poor snake is going through =( I couldn't even fathom any of my snakes dropping weight like that without laying a clutch.
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Willow, I am going to see this snake tomorrow night, I promise, I'll bring my imaginary Vet along with me ;), and I am sure we will get this snake on a path to success! I have thoughts about what she is going through right now, and a simple dosage of Flagyl will iron her right on out. TBC.
 
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