Bad Guy Samantha Walters / A&S Reptiles

[Shiacolyte]

But a year? I rescued a ball awhile back with internal parasites. I didn't notice until he started losing weight quickly. If its been a year then apparently its not that life threatening that he won't take her to a liscensed vet. I agreed to pay vet bills from the only vet opinion I trusted. We both agreed and then he fell off the face of the earth til now.

IN REGARDS to the screen shot I just posted... looks to me like you agreed to pay the vet bill with stipulations.. and that was a "reimbursement" not a straight out pay for.. so pardon me when my family was more important at the time than a snake, seriously Sam what I can't understand is why you are so interested in bringing all this back up.. the HUGE issue throughout all this was the lack of communication when you made the sell.. do not try and sway off the topic of being the negative party in a bad transaction. You seem to have a very big experience with snakes and parasites.. coincidence?

 

[A&S Reptiles]

Am I wrong to not want to pay a visit if she is being a picky eater and you don't know how to care for her? Neither of us have proof that I did or did not disclaim to you she was a picky eater. I also stupidly threw away the feed card when I forgot to give it to you so I can't prove she ate at least twice before she left my place. Six months after the fact is kind of ridiculous. But I agreed if she was sick because that's my fault. She's picky and you can't get her to eat? Your fault. Last I heard your buddy tom got her eating ans bloated about it. He's also the one who brought this crap back up, not me. So thank him.

 

[Shiacolyte]

<edited> to show the "affection" offered by Ms. Walters towards a business deal that she is trying to make herself seem like a hero after admitting fault in earlier posts.

 

[Shiacolyte]

Am I wrong to not want to pay a visit if she is being a picky eater and you don't know how to care for her? Neither of us have proof that I did or did not disclaim to you she was a picky eater. I also stupidly threw away the feed card when I forgot to give it to you so I can't prove she ate at least twice before she left my place. Six months after the fact is kind of ridiculous. But I agreed if she was sick because that's my fault. She's picky and you can't get her to eat? Your fault. Last I heard your buddy tom got her eating ans bloated about it. He's also the one who brought this crap back up, not me. So thank him.

2?? I thought it was 3?? again Sam really? my advice just let this go and let it bury itself again, I'm not going after you for anything as this thread is now more for future buyers. (which I would assume isn't many as you are still trying to sell off your entire collection?)

 

[A&S Reptiles]

Dude, its been a fricken year. That's why I said AT LEAST 2. Maybe tom didnt tell you. I sold out this year. Your guys little stunt did nothing. And I'm selling out because I'm a grown up. I don't have the time I used to so I'm focusing on my degree first. Least I can say for you. You apparently don't have the finances to get her in for a simple check up. Don't fight this fight Dan. Either take her and let me know results or get lost. Up to you boss.

 

[Shiacolyte]

Dude, its been a fricken year. That's why I said AT LEAST 2. Maybe tom didnt tell you. I sold out this year. 1.) Your guys little stunt did nothing. And I'm selling out because I'm a grown up. I don't have the time I used to so I'm focusing on my degree first. 2.) Least I can say for you. You apparently don't have the finances to get her in for a simple check up. Don't fight this fight Dan. Either take her and let me know results or get lost. Up to you boss.

1.) our little stunt? SAM this was between you and I.. no one else, the little stunt began at your place when you sold this snake without disclosing information related to her.

2.) "Least I can say for you", now you sound like the age you act Samantha, its good to know that you find it acceptable to conduct transactions in the manner in which you did, and also good to know that you think so highly of yourself and so little of those that struggle through miscarriages and having to help cover the cost of a parents house to save them from facing foreclosure in their retirement, but please Samantha tell me how you're going to college and doing sooooo much better than the rest of the world =D. I would love to hear more about how you're waiting for you're boyfriend to finish school and make 70k so you guys can get back into snakes at a better time... good luck and god speed!

P.S. you're beginning to talk a little too country for your age and public display of IQ.. "Boss"!

 

[A&S Reptiles]

Haha let me know what you do with her. I don't need to explain how I lived my childhood in a stupid public forum. Good luck becoming someone in this industry. You've done so well so far. Let me know when you have the collection I did at 20 years old. I'm done with this. Anyone else can pm me if they want to take it further. Have a good life Dan since I probably won't hear from you

 

[Lucille]

stupid public forum.

I have not been following this thread closely, but coming here and taking advantage of what this site has to offer, and then dissing it, is not very respectful.

 

[tommyhil4_6]

Haha let me know what you do with her. I don't need to explain how I lived my childhood in a stupid public forum. Good luck becoming someone in this industry. You've done so well so far. Let me know when you have the collection I did at 20 years old. I'm done with this. Anyone else can pm me if they want to take it further. Have a good life Dan since I probably won't hear from you

The size of your collection does not dictate your worth in this hobby and community. I would much rather deal with many select people with small collections vs. the big power house breeders that pump em in and out as fast as possible.

One thing I have witnessed and don't tolerate is someone not taking any culpability or responsibility. All of this for a poor snake that had a sticker price at 160? That small amount of money was not worth having your name permanently branded with a bad guy thread IMO. As a seller, the customers are a priority. Albeit, sometimes their issues are manufactured... but, in this scenario the female definitely had an eating issue.

There are higher roads to take, better ways to respond and to alleviate the situation. Burning bridges in an already small community of fairly tight knit people is not the best bet.

While many of us have no affiliation/loyalty to "Dan" or "Tom" or anyone involved in this situation, the reaction that you have chosen to pursue and responses/reactions speaks volumes to potential future customers.

I would suggest letting this thread die and stop responding in a negative fashion to an provocation.

Just my $0.05 Cents.

 

[A&S Reptiles]

Funny that a YEAR later I'm still willing to pay a vet bill if she's sick. does that comprehend with you guys? A year, she could have easily picked up something from his collection. How can I handle this better when I message him after not hearing back for months and get ignored? The only reason he replied here is because I called him out and he doesn't want to look stupid ignoring me publicly.

 

[tommyhil4_6]

Funny that a YEAR later I'm still willing to pay a vet bill if she's sick. does that comprehend with you guys? A year, she could have easily picked up something from his collection. How can I handle this better when I message him after not hearing back for months and get ignored? The only reason he replied here is because I called him out and he doesn't want to look stupid ignoring me publicly.

I believe the consensus is that you should have stepped up initially before pressure was placed upon you to do so.

The measure of a person is not in how the react to perfect circumstance, but to imperfect circumstance.

If you are genuinely willing to pay for a vet visit, I would call Dr. Funk's office and prepay for the vet check. That way Dan can take her in at his ability. Get it over with, you followed your word and it's a done deal. Should cost 65 bucks if that.

Also, bashing him for life struggles or issues is not fair. That is a personal attack against a very important issue... keeping a roof over his and his families head. He released that info, which does not pertain to this thread, but it should not be used as artillery to bash him or say he doesn't care for his animal(s).

A lot of people are on hard times and a vet visit may truly just be to expensive for him to do. Again, you said you'd pay for it. Call Dr. Funk and pre pay the vet visit standard fee to at least be seen. That will go a long way in restoring people's faith in your word. It's a small price to pay to begin a redemption of people's opinions THAT DO MATTER.

Again, just my $0.10 Cents at this pt.

 

[A&S Reptiles]

I can't even rely on him to respond to my message like an adult. I'm supposed to rely on him to actually take her in? No. And you have no idea what I've been through with this mess. To the point where tom would threaten me and the people who stood at my side. At this point, I'm so done. If the snake gets taken to the vet, awesome! I'll gladly pay it. If not, why was this thread started?

 

[hhmoore]

All the posturing in the world doesn't change that the snake has been a problem feeder for him. I don't remember how long you had this snake in your possession before you sold it; but I don't think it was even close to a "good" feeder for you.

If you think that a snake can't live this long with parasites, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

It's great that you offered to pay for the vet visit, but what's the point if you add the disclaimer that you'll only pay if the vet says certain things? Granted, a lot of time has gone by; so it is nice that you are still making the gesture...but, in quickly reviewing the thread, it seems like you've been trying to find ways out since this started.

 

[A&S Reptiles]

Because he knew the snake was a picky eater. Granted, I can't prove that because I threw away her feed card. So I'm wasting my breath. That's what's so frustrating. In my facebook ads it said she was a finicky eater but has eaten two medium rats for me now. Then third before he came up and bought her. We talked for twenty minutes about her and our collections. He knew and I'm still willing to pay a vet bill. Ya know what, take her Dan. I dare you, ill pay either way. But it still won't make her eat. Change her setup, heat source, temp, ect. I'd offer to take her back and get het eating again but I already know the answer to that one.

 

[RobNJ]

I'd offer to take her back and get het eating again but I already know the answer to that one.

Being that you had her for six months and she only ate 3 times and had been through some MAJOR weight fluctuation during that time, I personally wouldn't find that to be an appealing offer either.

 

[A&S Reptiles]

She came from cali to flagstaff Arizona. Huge elevation change. All of my snakes are eating regularly except my freshly hatched babies. I changed my set up and my picky mojave is now a monster. What's funny is my set up has been questioned several times in this thread but Dans hasn't. Maybe all she needs is a set up change?

 

[A&S Reptiles]

I worded that funny. When my mojo was picky, she was in the same setup as the normal girl. Since then I have changed things and my mojave is almost double the size. My point is I changed things and now everyone eats. Even my males during breeding. Maybe he needs to change her setup. Like I said, Dans setup has not been questioned in this whole thread.

 

[RobNJ]

When my mojo was picky, she was in the same setup as the normal girl. Since then I have changed things and my mojave is almost double the size. My point is I changed things and now everyone eats. Even my males during breeding. Maybe he needs to change her setup. Like I said, Dans setup has not been questioned in this whole thread.

Samantha, I think people would still question you rather than Daniel because you are putting forth vague statements like this. If my timeline is correct, you sold the normal girl to Daniel in February as a picky eater. You have since changed your set up, and everyone has been eating just fine....that's great, but from spring through fall, most ball pythons will eat just fine, so maybe it was a seasonal thing and not the change in how you keep them. As for the males eating, have you made it through an entire winter breeding males with none going off feed, or is this too a recent development since you have changed your set up? If that's the case, you still have a long winter ahead of you for those males to stop eating. And now on to your picky mojave...was she 200 grams and is now 400 grams, or was she 1,000 and is now 2,000? If the lower number, and she has doubled in size since you have changed your set up, which I'm assuming is around February sometime, that's not an entirely impressive achievement. Going from 1,000 grams to 2,000 over that course of time is great, although not unheard of. My point in all this is, clarification is key.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

Aren't all ball pythons picky eaters?

I guess I am playing the devil's advocate here, but people are acting like ball pythons are all fantastic eaters that eat every week, and anything you give them. That is simply not the case.

If this snake is near breeding size, she could end up fasting for months for no other reason than that she's a ball python. Sometimes there is no magical or medical way to get them to eat if they don't want to, and you just have to wait.

 

[Fangthane]

Aren't all ball pythons picky eaters?

I guess I am playing the devil's advocate here, but people are acting like ball pythons are all fantastic eaters that eat every week, and anything you give them. That is simply not the case.

If this snake is near breeding size, she could end up fasting for months for no other reason than that she's a ball python. Sometimes there is no magical or medical way to get them to eat if they don't want to, and you just have to wait.

I think it'd be equally inaccurate to try to portray them all as being exceptionally picky or unreliable feeders. As I've never found BPs particularly interesting, I've only owned 3 of them. However, none of those were any more likely to turn down a meal than the yellow anacondas I also kept. Maybe I was just lucky, or I'm just that damn good, but, either way, it's a stretch to try to lump them all into the picky feeder catagory.

The seller's suddenly disdainful attitude towards her customer, apparent interest in making this about the legality of Tom's treatment attempts, as well as her insistence on reiterating the "your word against mine" aspect, leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth. That's not even taking into consideration the fairly likely "basket case" aspect that the extreme fluctuations in weight (while in her care) pretty strongly imply. Even during an extended fast, losing 50% of it's mass should have been a sign that something was quite possibly very wrong. Apparently, she didn't feel the need to disclose any of that, though. She's also had a hard time keeping a straight story about just how many times it'd fed, while in her possession. Very convenient that the feeding card has come up missing.

Eating once a month for 5 months is not a feeding snake in my opinion. So when he asked how long she went, I said 5 months because it was on her terms. Which for her was roughly once a month. It's his word against mine. I told him she was not a consistent feeder. Whether he remembers that or not is not my fault. He is just frustrated because he can't get her to eat. At least she ate about 8 times in my care over 6 months. She ate three times in a row before we sold her. Which is what baby ball pythons starting out eat, three times before being shipped. So if a baby ball stops eating its the sellers fault?

Am I wrong to not want to pay a visit if she is being a picky eater and you don't know how to care for her? Neither of us have proof that I did or did not disclaim to you she was a picky eater. I also stupidly threw away the feed card when I forgot to give it to you so I can't prove she ate at least twice before she left my place. Six months after the fact is kind of ridiculous. But I agreed if she was sick because that's my fault. She's picky and you can't get her to eat? Your fault. Last I heard your buddy tom got her eating ans bloated about it. He's also the one who brought this crap back up, not me. So thank him.

I just get that "I'll say whatever I have to" vibe from her.