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San Andreas Boa's

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Hey People,
I am a member on the reptiles Canada forums. I am looking for info or links to info on the San Andreas Boa. More specifically any and all info and contact info on the original shipment of ten that was imported by a US dealer into Canada Some years ago. I have posted in the RC forums but figure there must be someone in the U.S within the hobby that may have some info.
PLEASE if you have any information post or PM Me.
I have attached a post made today on RC it's all the information on these snakes that i could acquire even after a search on the net i found only a 2 topics that pertain to San Ann Boa's one from ssnakess.com and the other from another herp related Forum. See Below For Quote From RC

Thank You
Kyle

The story of the San Andres started back on www.ssnakess.com. Mike (ibsmokin) imported ten of them from the US from a big dealer whose name escapes me right now. At the time Mike was running a herp store called Boa Mania. He eventually went under and sold off most of his collection. Chris R. is Chris Reideigner (sp) from Toronto. He was running a herp store called Reptile Headquarters at the time. Of the 10 I can't remember how many Chris got, at least half maybe all of them.
When Mike first posted them he wasn't even sure if they were BCI or not. He posted them as BC??? or something like that. Anyone with a copy of the Boa Constrictor manual know that scale counts is what separates BCI fro BCC. These snakes have the same number of belly scales as hogs.
As I said before shortly after I bought a pair from Chris I emailed Vin Russo in the US who wrote the dwarf boa article to see what he thought of them. He told me who brought them into the us and that he had a chance to buy them but he passed on them. He said that the fact that they are speckled and may have larger eyes is consistent with them being WC hogs. This excited me. I thought that if anything I had WC hogs. He said that they fit the description of the first hogs that were imported back in the 70s. The hogs of today have in some cases been crossed with Colombians making their eyes smaller and selective breeding has cleaned up the speckling in hogs.
This is more information than anyone else has ever come forward with proving that they are in fact from an island called San Andres.
The best argument I've heard so far from the people who believe that they are San Andres boas is that there is no way to prove that they aren't from San Andres. Well not being able to prove that I've never been to Alaska doesn’t prove that I haven't been there either.
The only person who really knows is the US dealer who brought them in and he is not talking for oblivious reasons. As soon as I remember his name I'll post it.
I mean come on if they are San Andres where's the CITES paper work saying what they are, where they actually came from and that they are in fact legal?
Cheers,
Trevor
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Its all BS !
Those poor animals sat in a crate in Fl. for over a month and a half because nobody wanted
the ugly things.
They can tell all the lies they want to about them animals but it wont change the facts one bit.They are not a locale specific BCI ssp or anything that is or will ever be documented muchless proven.
Jose' brought them into the States legally,so that cracker smacker on the Canuk board with his tall smuggling tail has to be as lame a person as his story.

Pathetic ........ :angry:
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Well I'm not saying there are or aren't but intend on finding out the truth. There has been more then one comment stating They are and vise versa. The only problem is there is no proof to discredit or Prove the claim.....If anyone has ties with the apparent importer please post...A Cites Doc would solve this little dilemma.......but if you have something of relevance to add to the subject swing by reptiles Canada and add to the post......please be some what professional as well!! As for smuggling what are you talking about no one suggested they were smuggled that i seen only asked to see a CITES Doc showing there were legal and that they were actually from san ann.
There has also been a post from the actuall guy who had them imported to canada. Please if you think you can be of help post.

Cheers
Kyle
 
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Ok to the story of the San Andreas, ok a god buddy of mine visited the island on vacation and snapped a bunch of pictures, anyways I looked thru the pics and see a picture of a cool silver looking boa on a small tree. Well i wanted that boa, so i started trying to find a way to get a few heads. It turned out San Andreas is under dispute with 5 different countries on who exactly owns the island, so there is no way of applying for legal export documents.
Well after doing much searching around, and asking about these boas and along with other boas, I found that had a good relationship with the guys that run the boa farm in Nicaragua. They said for the right price they would collect boas from the island. They searched the island for a week and only found 33 boas, all were small of different sizes. they Brought the boas to nicaragua where they were exported to Florida under the name boa constrictor imperator, which is basically what they are. They cost me at the time $200 US each which was alot for central american boas at the time. I was doing a huge order for my business anyways and bought 26,000 US dollars worth of reptiles off of a wholesaler in florida, in which he picked out 5 of the nicest biggest females and 5 of the nicest biggest males, which gave me 10, I was suppose to buy the rest but never came up with the money, 10 were sold to one guy who ended up loosing his entire collection of boas in a fire including his 10, and the other 13 which I never got a chance to buy, (because I got my order right before christmas and after christmas business was super slow so I never made any money to buy the rest of the 13 left.) Well that 13 ended up getting sold as singles here and there or chucked in with other orders and were never sold has what they truly are. So those 13 were lost somewhere in the huge american market.
Now the 10 I brought in, they are not siblins, they were all different sizes and perhaps a few might of been siblins who knows, they were just collected when ever the guys found any.
Last time I explained this story, I got some bull about how I owed buddy 1500 still for those boas, but man thats all bull, buddy threw in 3 timors that I didnt even order when he shipped my shipment to me, 3 timor pythons which he was selling at 500 each, thats where the 1500 came from anyways, i sent that guy his money a few years ago. Buddy never mentioned how I sent him 26 thousand dollars before he threw in the 3 timor pythons so he made out real good from me.

thats the story on the San Andreas, you can believe it or not, but I imported them in as Boa Constrictor Imperators, and thats exactly what they are, yes the were smuggled off the island and it was my fault that they were, but they are now in all likelyhood extinct in the wild, and the 5 pairs I brought into canada we kept under the name of what they are and I am extremely greatful that there are guys out there breeding them true and not breeding them with hog island boas!

you guys can believe the story or not, you can put me down and call me names for being involved in smuggling, but I saved a rare local from being exterminated and thats all that matters to me. 20 years from now, there will be some nice lines of San Andreas, like the bell line and the sears line of hogs, thanks to me and my smuggling ways. Only they will be the R&R line, or the bighill lines etc. etc.

there are more islands off the coast lines of central america that have boas on them, and those islands as being sold off to rich americans and europeans, and the boas are disappearing, and if I ever get a chance to smuggle some boas off those island before they disappear forever! I will! even if I have to fly down there myself and bring them to one of the boa farms in nicargaua and have them guys legally export them to me, I will do that. And I would not care what anybody thought of me, because it is all about saving a unique local of boa constrictor imperator!

Again as for the Costa Rican!, those were legally imported under their correct names, and when I sold those boas I sent those documents with them. Those Costa Ricans cost me alot of money to import them from germany! and I sold them for $100 each. Shame!

I appologize about throwing Mirdo out there, I was told by someone yesterday the Mirdo story, so for that I appologize.
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Thank you Please Drive Thru !

M/
 
Nope its the correct thread,I was there since about post number 5 now its out past 15-16 pages.
Reread the first thread and youll get thru it ok.
Im not one for name dropping but rest assured I spoke with the gentleman that popped the crate on those animals !

M/
 
San Andres boas

'M',

You are referring to the recent 'boa locale' thread which has covered the San Andres boa saga in depth, as well as covering many other 'Boa constrictor' species or types. A great thread by the way.

There is now another 'San Andres' boa thread running on the same RepCan Bc website.

Throughout these whole discussions however, there have been a number of references to people who apparently know a whole bunch of highly relevant and related stuff, but who for whatever reason, wish to remain anonymous. Why is this? If they can truly shed some light on what really happened then they should speak up.

Please, let's start to name some names or better still have these people share with us the first hand knowledge they may have on this intriguing subject.

It just too easy for a third party to claim "I know a Guy who saw this.... or did this....or whatever", but without names, dates and places it is meaningless.

I'm not suggesting that what you say isn't true, but, you know what, I know a guy who says that he was the individual who actually caught the snakes on the San Andres Islands and personally smuggled them off the island and........so it goes on.

But he wishes to remain anonymous unfortunately.

Names and first hand accounts, do tend to add credibility what really happened. The rest is heresay.

Tony Platt (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)
 
Well it doesn't look like i am going to find the original paper work if there apparently isn't any the only way to prove it will be DNA testing. Hopefully i can convince the Vet college here on PEI to take some interest in the topic with the possibility of them proving a rare locality here in Canada As there is no one in the US that i am aware of that still has any of the original animals. Here's to high hopes :ack2:

Cheers
Kyle
 
I hear what your saying and its a valid point.
But if one was to indeed "Research" a subject one can easily find longstanding(still liveing) and very creditable sources to speak with on this very topic.
But I promise you will not find any of them on Fauna,KS,RTB,BPh,CE or any other trendy boide site(s)Their all still doing what they have been doing for the last 20-30 years,Popping crates of animals at the Ports and working with real locale BCI,BCC.If they were IN FACT "something" to begin with they would have never made it to Canada that you can be assured of.

Anyway......
Those that believe they are in fact SA locale need to get some State side supporters of this SA locale issue to speak up in favor of this so called Locale :rolleyes:
Not that it will do any good ..... Vin has already told ya'll their Hog Isle BCI but it still hasnt sunk in.
Good Luck trying to hose the US market with those animals :thumbsup:



tonyj said:
'M',

You are referring to the recent 'boa locale' thread which has covered the San Andres boa saga in depth, as well as covering many other 'Boa constrictor' species or types. A great thread by the way.

There is now another 'San Andres' boa thread running on the same RepCan Bc website.

Throughout these whole discussions however, there have been a number of references to people who apparently know a whole bunch of highly relevant and related stuff, but who for whatever reason, wish to remain anonymous. Why is this? If they can truly shed some light on what really happened then they should speak up.

Please, let's start to name some names or better still have these people share with us the first hand knowledge they may have on this intriguing subject.

It just too easy for a third party to claim "I know a Guy who saw this.... or did this....or whatever", but without names, dates and places it is meaningless.

I'm not suggesting that what you say isn't true, but, you know what, I know a guy who says that he was the individual who actually caught the snakes on the San Andres Islands and personally smuggled them off the island and........so it goes on.

But he wishes to remain anonymous unfortunately.

Names and first hand accounts, do tend to add credibility what really happened. The rest is heresay.

Tony Platt (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)
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No intent to hose anyone i merly seek the truth. I have One of these so called "Sans" but you will not here me refeer to it as such. I bought it as a hog and it will remain a hog untill such time that there is actual proof that it is not. The reason i became so interested in this subject is because i seen someone trying to sell a
"Rare San Andreas Boa" For twice what you would pay for a hog. I had never even heard of this so called locale and it's hogg like looks made me wonder. The Canadian market doesn't need some bullshit fake locale spreeding around and no one else seeks the truth so i will do it or at least try.

Cheers
Kyle
 
My comment on "hosed" was non-directive and those offended by it have it rightfully coming.The Canadian Market isnt any different then the US,there are scammers and people looking to be "somebody" with something nobody else has.
The reason that "clown act" on the other board wont drop any viable names as "supporting sources" is because he knows full well myself and many others can and will bury his ass if he ever attempts such.So as I see him now he is a preditor and a petty thief,which is no different then anyone else in this market supporting an animal as something it isnt.

Its Stealing period.

M/

ckfisher said:
No intent to hose anyone i merly seek the truth. I have One of these so called "Sans" but you will not here me refeer to it as such. I bought it as a hog and it will remain a hog untill such time that there is actual proof that it is not. The reason i became so interested in this subject is because i seen someone trying to sell a
"Rare San Andreas Boa" For twice what you would pay for a hog. I had never even heard of this so called locale and it's hogg like looks made me wonder. The Canadian market doesn't need some bullshit fake locale spreeding around and no one else seeks the truth so i will do it or at least try.

Cheers
Kyle
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Well I can tell you I got those boas as San Andres, I sold them for less then what they cost, sold them for only $100 bucks each, I no longer own those boas nor have I for a number of years now, so I have nothing financially to gain from saying they are san andres, but for me thats what they are.
 
Just because they were freighted in with other BCI
doesnt entitle them to whatever locale name someone chooses to pull outta their asset.Gotta love the Smugglers Blues supporting drama :rofl: :shootfoot If they keep that bogus crap on their side of the border then let'em have ALL of IT !There has been enough exposer to prevent Stateside sales scams justifing their jacked-up "Worth"

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I am very interested to get feed back on this topic from more then just one
"State Side" Herper. Please Others leave feedback on how you feel.

Regards
Kyle
 
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