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Bad Guy Sarah Selix/Underground Geckos = Bad Guy

I think, to most people, the price you pay would be $400. The price the seller receives would be $400 LESS PayPal fees. PayPal fees are a seller's obligation...she could have charged $412 or whatever had she chosen to.

There are numerous threads here about it and I don't want to derail this one. No matter how eloquently it's worded, there was an attempt here to circumvent fees that PayPal earned by processing the transaction. Don't want to pay the fees, don't use the service.
 
I have been using PayPal for over 5 years......I pay fees for every transaction I make myself as a buyer or payer..........It was Sarah's suggestion to pay as a friend so she wouldn't lose out.........it's in the screenshots.
 
IvoryReptiles said:
I have been using PayPal for over 5 years......I pay fees for every transaction I make myself as a buyer or payer..........It was Sarah's suggestion to pay as a friend so she wouldn't lose out.........it's in the screenshots.
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No matter what someone else suggests, you have a choice between right and wrong.

Underground_Geckos said:
I mentioned paying as a friend/family, not to screw her out of a refund if it came to that, but because if we waited to do the payment in person there would be no fees there. She chose to pay this way.
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If Paypal was cheated out of its fees, that is a dishonest action. It is not a tangential matter,to me, if people cheat on little parts of a transaction, they are suspect for the rest.
 
IvoryReptiles said:
I have been using PayPal for over 5 years......I pay fees for every transaction I make myself as a buyer or payer..........It was Sarah's suggestion to pay as a friend so she wouldn't lose out.........it's in the screenshots.
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Unless it's changed Paypal does not charge the sender fees.
 
Bobby Douglass said:
Unless it's changed Paypal does not charge the sender fees.
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Perhaps they mean that they pay the fees, as the buyer, by calculating what the fees would be and sends the extra amount (the fee/s) on top of the price for the item.
Such as, when asked to send payment as a "gift", telling the seller that they would rather pay the fees instead of sending payment as a "gift". Also, some sellers request that the Paypal fees be paid.
Heck, one time I sent a payment, via Paypal, without including the Paypal fees (and seller had not requested that they be paid) and, next thing I know, the seller returned my money, & voided the deal, because I had not included the Paypal fees. Even refusing to do business, at that point, if I resent payment along with Paypal fees (since he was so angry that I had not done so in the whole beginning). If such a situation happened to someone else, I could see them just automatically paying the fees (without being asked) to other sellers.
I, myself, never request that the buyer pay Paypal fees and accept that it will come out, from my end (as a seller), since that is Paypal's terms.
Some sellers do request that the fees be paid and has been becoming such common place that many, in the reptile community, seem to have just accepted it.

As for the topic, of this thread, it does not seem to be a simple one.
There was the initial misrepresentation, which would have been enough to undo the transaction. However, the OP agreed to accepting supplies to fix the two damages mentioned by Sarah. This was prior to the OP receiving the item/s. Thus, the two disclosed damages were accepted.
Then, when the OP receives the item/s, there is, allegedly, more damage than what Sarah had disclosed (after sale and receiving payment). So, OP wishes to undo the transaction.
Bad thing is that there was a middle man. If the middle man caused the extra damage, then the middle man would be liable for those damages.
Yet, here we sit with very little proof, of much else or what actually happened, other than the initial misrepresentation and disclosure. Plus, no photographic proof, from the OP, of the extra damage/s.
 
Did I miss the photo's of the cages/displays how they looked when delivered to the middle man or how they looked when the OP received them? There seems to be a lack of actual evidence as to the alleged, due to lack of evidence, damages and what is being said by Sarah/underground Reptiles.

Sheldon "Shug" Clawson
 
IvoryReptiles said:
I have been using PayPal for over 5 years......I pay fees for every transaction I make myself as a buyer or payer..........It was Sarah's suggestion to pay as a friend so she wouldn't lose out.........it's in the screenshots.
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:confused: I don't see anything like that in the screenshots, to be honest. Maybe I missed it. But Paypal doesn't charge any fees for sending somebody money. The fees are charged for receiving money through Paypal.

Pasodama said:
Perhaps they mean that they pay the fees, as the buyer, by calculating what the fees would be and sends the extra amount (the fee/s) on top of the price for the item.
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I get this point, but why does it matter if someone is charging you $412 because they're trying to cover the fees or $412 because that just happens to be the worth of the item you're buying? You agree to pay it or you don't.
 
lud3au said:
If your account is credit card based and you send money as a gift, I believe a fee is charged.
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Correct. It has to be linked to a bank account or a Paypal debit card (or some such thing) in order for gift givers not to be charged fees.

When people request that I pay them via the gift option, my standard practice is to say I will send the extra to cover the fees instead. However, it would simply be preferable if all or most costs are built into the price so no customer has to deal with that obligation that is not their to calculate when a price is posted. I always list my stuff with ancillary costs explicitly stated in my ads to be built into the dollar amount the buyer is asked to send. It just makes things more straightforward. I understand that shipping services and supplies can make this more variable, but I just use a decent average and run with it. If something is exceptionally difficult or expensive to ship, I would just mention that in my ad and this would be as exceptional as the animal's size would have to be in terms of my advertising norms.

But anyway, we are getting pretty off-topic and I am sure this has been gone over many times before here.
 
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