Bad Guy Scam Artist Keven Vogenberger

[Keven2]

She said she bought new cages

 

[Keven2]

This girl lied about buying new cages when I sent the animals I was under the impression cause she said she got new enclosures if I knew she lied I wouldn't have sold them

 

[JCCS]

If you had reservations about the ability of the buyer to care for the animals, you should not have sold them to her. Yes, she screwed up, she's a newb, they screw up, it's what they do. The point of an ethical seller is to set them up for success and that includes not selling to them if they do not seem ready. You were obviously suspicious that she was going to stick them in a 20 gallon, but you did not require proof of proper enclosure before shipping her the animals. I'm not claiming you owe her a refund or anything, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your claims that you care for your animals more than anything while showing all the actions of a common, low level flipper.

 

[Keven2]

Your insane

 

[Keven2]

It's not her fault cause she lied and killed them it's my fault cause I believed her and sold them that's insane. She will just do this again

 

[Keven2]

I had no reservations I believed her

 

[Snake-Queen]

If she did indeed stick them in 20g tanks, that is what killed the larger one & will likely kill the baby.

Keven, in the future, I'd require pictures of the setup before shipping, especially if they have already bought the wrong size.

 

[Keven2]

That is a very good suggestion and I will definitely incorporate that Into every sale of uromastyx from now on. I just didn't know to do this. Thank you for the suggestion

 

[AppEcto]

So you knew she was sticking an adult uro in a 20 gallon tank before you shipped and still decided the money was worth knowing the animal was going to a substandard home with someone....I don't understand how you're claiming I'm twisting your words.

Keven, why would you sell the animals to someone that you knew wasn't willing/able to take care of them properly?

She didn't tell me that she wasn't caring for them till after she bought them

I'm seeing pretty clearly that this is not his fault, so no need for the witch hunt. We have screenshots of him trying to help her provide proper care and no evidence from her that she ever followed it...at least not yet. Until she provides proof that she wasn't housing them together in a smaller aquarium, she looks to be responsible for the issues.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

were the uros rescues or were these animals purchased for resale to fund your rescue?

 

[Keven2]

I just want to say thank you hurreckon for your post.

 

[Keven2]

They were not rescues!The Moroccan was purchased with a bunch of other baby Moroccan for me to sale. I've not had one issue of anyone saying there animal isn't healthy besides these and I sold about 90 Moroccans. The Saharan we had for a personal pet for about 8 months. I've attached pics of what they looked like when i shipped them and pics she put on her page when she got them they were healthy as they could be. The Moroccan was in the middle of shedding.

 

[Keven2]

Here is what she put on Facebook about her vet. Now last night she said that she took them to the vet and the vet could tell it was wild caught and how bad it was. I don't believe she took them to a vet I copied her response she posted on Facebook. She said they treated them for free. The shape that the uro was in it would have been hundreds of dollars to treat it and they would have told her to separate them. I know they didn't care for them for free as she stated. If so give me the vets name and number so I can call them to verify the story.

 

[tmcgrath]

I first off did have a 20 gal tank and when told it was way too small I bought two 75 gal tanks. While these are still considered too lizards were never housed in the 20 gal tank. I got rid of it the day before I received the Uromastyx. He sent them in below freezing temps and I received them so cold and almost near death. I asked they be shipped when temps were slightly above 40* a few days after but they were still shipped in cold temps.They recovered fine. I received them Feb 19th. Both were fat and eating. March 9th i have a photo of them looking great. March 19th the yellow adult Saharan died. When he had been brought to a reptile specialist and the vet I was told they were both wild caught and that is why they were sold so considerably cheap. I was told that the yellow most likely had given up and that’s why he stopped eating. They gave him electrolytes, dewormer, and attempted to get him to force feed which we were unable to do. The Moroccan is fine, my enclosure is fine and my temps are fine. Keven doesn’t have anything else to argue besides the fact I had a 20 gallon tank that was literally never used.


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[tmcgrath]

He’s been kicked off of the Uromastyx Club page on Facebook for continuous claims from several people about the same issues.


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[Lucille]

He’s been kicked off of the Uromastyx Club page on Facebook for continuous claims from several people about the same issues.


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Tabea,
Give us some screen shots. Of your 75 gal tanks. Please have others with claims come here and post, it is easy and free. If you can't find the vet papers, call the vet and have them send copies.
Backing up what you say is important, especially for future readers, so that they can make informed choices. It's worth the time.

 

[Lucille]

Whether or not the vet treatment was paid for, the vet will have records of the treatment at their office.

 

[Keven2]

Please post the pics of them in their enclosure. Last night you bought one 75 gallon tank. I also have your text where you said you were taking the 20 gallon tanks back and returning them for the 40 gallons before they were shipped. So now you have 2 75 gallons. Your post also says your Moroccan lost a toe! How did that happen? You know how they were housed together. You are a lier and you killed that uro and thought you would use the problems I had with the veil in your favor. I am still asking to see those uros In 75 gallon enclosures. I did everything I could to help you and you did nothing I said then want to make me look responsible. You are going to pi that Moroccan also. Last night on the fb page you admitted you had them together and said that that's all I keep bringing up and that putting them together won't kill them. That's exactly what killed them

 

[Lucille]

He’s been kicked off of the Uromastyx Club page on Facebook for continuous claims from several people about the same issues.


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It would be very helpful also for you to talk to the admins there and ask them to come here and confirm what you have said.

 

[tmcgrath]

He had stuck shed on his feet and the coconut oil couldn’t get it off. He lost the toe long before it fell off. My brother and sister both had 75gal tanks they weren’t using and offered to bring them over which they did. One of which is now in my basement and the other being used by my Moroccan.


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