Bad Guy Scam Artist Keven Vogenberger

[Keven2]

She is out of town Lucille and won't be back for 4 days and it's really none of your business why I don't have family that can watch him. You are just drawing at straws!

 

[Akiranar]

She is out of town Lucille and won't be back for 4 days and it's really none of your business why I don't have family that can watch him. You are just drawing at straws!

We could play excuse Bingo with you.

Seriously... it took you 8 days to take this animal (and not the others?) to the vet (Or at least that is what you are claiming)... and you're wondering why we are calling you out.

Seriously, you just keep making yourself look worse and worse.

 

[lg_beardie]

this thread started with this tabea girl going off on keven unjustly, because she didn't know the basics of reptile husbandry, at all.

and now Keven is just digging a hole for himself and showing his true colors.

Strange how it works out.

 

[Keven2]

Here is groggy bet papers and ed Clark I got enough meds for other frogs. 3hr drive 200.00 later froggy is gonna be better. Oh but all you would do this yea right!!! Go ahead and spout off now!

 

[elena]

I stand corrected. Good job Kevin. What did the vet say is wrong with the frog?

 

[Keven2]

Thank you Elana contrary to what you may think I care about every animal that I have. Regardless of what people say on here I don't want any animal to suffer. The vet thinks the pet shop didn't take good care of him they drained the legs gave me pain meds and antibiotics. I explained to him how I have him set up he said don't change anything and the uvb light I have on him is good. I will do exactly as he said for 21 days then see how froggy is feeling. I just pray that he gets better it is very sad to see him not feeling well! The vet was awesome just a really nice caring guy! I'm glad we took him there!

 

[Lucille]

It's summer. You can't take your son with you? This is a valuable lesson to teach him: when an animal in your care is ill, you take care of it rather than waiting for it to just die.

And are you also telling me that NONE of the 13 other vets at that practice will see a sick frog? Not a single one? Not Dr. Nelson that apparently also sees exotics?

Also.... http://www.scottmedlin.com/services They specifically say they see amphibians. They aren't that far from you.


And here's a list of exotic vets in Florida that will help you find more near you.

https://www.thesprucepets.com/florida-exotics-vet-1238987

Thank you Megan for your suggestions. I have no doubt that if such posts had not been posted, the frog would not have been seen, but it appears that there are prescriptions, hopefully these will be bought and used.

Keven, was the vet more specific as to the ailment and cause?

 

[Wilomn]

We were not caught posting sick herps for sale...you were!

Ummmm, I'm pretty sure this is exactly, one of them anyway, what you were caught doing. Didn't you then bully the heck out of the kid that got the sick frog?

 

[Keven2]

Lucille I refuse to even acknowledge you anymore! I don't care what you think I don't care about your opinion what so ever and I definitely will not answer anything you ask! You are just a very hateful person! I'll say a prayer for you! In fact I don't care what anyone thinks. The people that I care about know me and know my intentions and how I live my life that's all that matters. Life is too short for all this nonsense. Say what you will I'm done with this! Peace!!!!!!

 

[JCCS]

The vet is 3 hr round trip! I am at the vet now! I can't just leave I had to find Care for my son. I am here now I'm doing the best I can! I would love to see all your vet bills! I'd love to see if you would drive three hours pay 75.00 to have so.eone watch your kid then spend however much this will be on a frog. It's easy to say what you would do if love to see you do it. Not just spout off!!

Here's the thing, Keven. I had a large collection of boa constrictors for many years. I bred boas for a decade straight, a good number of them. I also played around with some other species, especially chondros. I only have a few pets now due to finishing education and wanting to concentrate on my profession. I did this because I did not feel I could give them the proper attention that I expected of myself and did not want my husbandry to suffer.

I take pride in the fact that I kept every animal I had in proper conditions. This means that even with a fairly large number of animals, vet trips were quite rare. I bought animals from quality sources, knew what I was looking at so I could visually inspect them thoroughly. Yes, things happen occasionally and they were immediately taken to a vet. The vet that I use is over an hour away in the next county. That was not a concern. The concern was the animal, period. I don't know the situation with your son so I am not going to really get into that, but somehow, I think you leave the house at times, which would nullify your argument.

You have been flippant about the issues brought up, negligent to your animals, and completely unrepentant about the sick frogs you admittedly sold to people. Have the people who bought the other three frogs been notified of the health issues you sent them home with? Are you going to pay their vet bills as well, if they are still alive to receive treatment? If you aren't prepared to man up, working with living animals is not a good idea. This is a big boy hobby and people who run from responsibilities get figured out pretty damn quick as you're realizing currently.

 

[Ed Clark]

Ummmm, I'm pretty sure this is exactly, one of them anyway, what you were caught doing. Didn't you then bully the heck out of the kid that got the sick frog?

I was asked,so I will answer.Wes you are posting lies about me again.

The frog was not sick at all. was left on porch to bake in the sun,I sent a replacement same thing happened,it was an adult women not a kid.and no she was not bullied. if you want to see a bully look in the mirror Wes.

She started a fuss about the frog and threatened me that she was sending frog to a testing lab to prove I sold a sick frog. at the end of the thread she reported back that the test results were negative for everything.

End result was two frogs died that did not have to.

Wes stop following me around posting lies.

Keven took a frog to the vet,that should have happened a week or 2 ago.I do hope that all those frogs will pull through but seem to think that there will be a different outcome.

 

[Ed Clark]

Here is groggy bet papers and ed Clark I got enough meds for other frogs. 3hr drive 200.00 later froggy is gonna be better. Oh but all you would do this yea right!!! Go ahead and spout off now!

Stop complaining about the time and money, it's irrelevant.

And yes we all would do at least that to care for our herps.why would you suggest otherwise?

 

[Lucille]

Here you are thanking me for a post that you approve:

I just want to say thank you for posting this.

Here you are, dissing me for a post that you did not approve of:

You are just a very hateful person! I'll say a prayer for you!

I think you are a reactive (and overreactive)person, grabbing at excuses so you don't have to do what you need to do, unable to take responsibility for these critters and give them what they need without a push from all of us, and when we say something about it you have a major tantrum and do your best to deflect your shortcomings.

That's not good for the critters, for you, for anyone else in your life, but only you can change your behavior.

 

[elena]

More exaggerations. 17 minutes is not three hours, $117.50 is not $200.

 

[Insomniac101]

More exaggerations. 17 minutes is not three hours, $117.50 is not $200.

He had mentioned in another post, having to pay someone $75 to stay with his son. Probably where he came up with the $200.

Still doesn't matter, when it comes to making sure an animal gets the care it needs.

 

[Shiari]

All of my reptiles see the vet whenever I think something might be wrong. This means that the snake I purchased that arrived with bubbles in her mouth got a vet exam the next day, a culture, and two types of injectible antibiotics once the culture results came in.

I took a retired breeder in on Friday because I could palpate that she had decided to make a clutch without being bred and despite going through a pre-lay shed, had surpassed her like clockwork 10 day lay period. Vet wants me to wait a couple more weeks and do a recheck, since she's eating and defecating.

I've also done the 3 hour round trip thing after calling 9 different vet hospitals and emergency clinics to find someone to suture up a laceration on one of my snakes. That was a $300 bill.

I've done surgery on an eggbound snake, who then threw a blood clot and had to have her tail amputated the next day. That was a $900 total bill.

I purchased these animals, and so I will care for them. It is my responsibility. To do anything else is abhorrent and unethical.

If you can't provide proper care, don't have 200+ reptiles, especially if you don't even know their species.

 

[tlmoon]

It's unfortunate that Keven seems incapable of any insight or self reflection and simply goes on the attack with anyone and everyone. I don't think he's a bad guy as a person necessarily, but is clearly lacking in knowledge and experience with herps. Which is ok at some level - we all start out that way. But one has to be HUMBLE and WILLING to look in the mirror and make some changes. People have been generous in giving him advice and telling him when he's in the wrong, but he doesn't seem able to accept the information.

We now have a pattern of repeatedly posting sick animals, not even recognizing a grossly ill frog. I mean, Keven - you posted that poor frog for SALE, calling it some kind of special giant leg frog. For shame! Come ON man....step it up and better yourself!

 

[Buttons]

I have had doubts that he has a son.

He does have a son. He's definitely not bed ridden like Keven claims though.

 

[lg_beardie]

He posted MBD chameleons before that he couldn't even recognize as veiled chameleons, and deleted the AD after people pointed it out.

Selling rescues and sick animals is straight heresy in this hobby.

 

[elena]

Mark, how do you know that his son is not bedridden?