Bad Guy Scammed by Andrew Michael Popp Las Vegas, NV

[Chris Kennard]

Ok I don't post much and have not been posting in this thread as I do not know anything about turtles or any of the parties involved but I have a really stupid question
And I'm not trying to get anyone or poke or anything I simply am curious
If you have the funds to spend 6 grand on a few turtles and have the time and funds to drop everything and fly across the country to file lawsuits why did you not just fly out to see these turtles in person and if they were not what you want don't buy them that way you don't end up where you are now? It would have cost you airfare ( flight to Vegas is like 90 bucks) and a day of your time

Excellent point! Perhaps he went to Vegas to have some fun, but needed n alibi for the bread winner.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Well, he would not have been able to verify if they were hets or not by being there. He would have been able to verify/dispute the sizes, however. Also, getting an in-person read on the seller for body language cues could have potentially added value, but those vary with the person making them as well as the interpreter (I sometimes cross my arms when I am interested in something, while many will do the same as they mentally close themselves off to some part of a conversation; I have had this misconstrued more than once and have adjusted my non-verbal communication accordingly). Anyway, due diligence before the purchase was the way to go instead of afterwards. Unfortunately, that does not help anyone now. I do not think Chris Davis has enough substance for a winning case at this point. I do not think Andrew Popp has made the legitimacy of the animals compelling at this point. By the time he gets a heap of babies from breeding the females in question to a caramel male (or snow male) such that they might not prove out with a convincingly large sample size, years may have passed. I am not sure going to the trouble of court will be worthwhile when that happens and he might have to recoup what he has spent via the sales of albino het caramel and double het for snow offspring while waiting to find out what is up with the genetics of the females. It is a tough situation to be stuck with. He is not left with nothing, but it is far from what he paid for ***if*** they do not prove out as het for caramel. If they do prove out, then this was a special kind of cluster.

 

[calebroad]

I added Andrew Popps 3 Albino “hets” to my group. The only males in the group are mature visual Caramels and snows.

Remember we later discovered Andrew Popp had advertised these same three turtles as albino only for a fraction of the price, prior to suddenly adding “Het” and inflating the size, ultimately collecting $6,000 in good old stolen funds. - after lying, he then admitted, then shut up.

Also factor in his statement that he did not know “het” really meant anything and did not think adding “het” was a “big deal”.

And in addition to many other red flags, I did get 5 eggs from one of the females this year. 5 were not viable. One did successfully hatch - the Turtle is a baby regular green colored Red eared slider, this is what I believe fully implicates and proves Andrew Popp deliberately mislead, lies, and schemed. He is a proven thief, as I said all along.

 

[calebroad]

I added Andrew Popps 3 Albino “hets” to my group. The only males in the group are mature visual Caramels and snows.

Remember we later discovered Andrew Popp had advertised these same three turtles as albino only for a fraction of the price, prior to suddenly adding “Het” and inflating the size, ultimately collecting $6,000 in good old stolen funds. - after lying, he then admitted, then shut up.

Also factor in his statement that he did not know “het” really meant anything and did not think adding “het” was a “big deal”.

And in addition to many other red flags, I did get 5 eggs from one of the females this year. 5 were not viable. One did successfully hatch - the Turtle is a baby regular green colored Red eared slider, this is what I believe fully implicates and proves Andrew Popp deliberately mislead, lies, and schemed. He is a proven thief, as I said all along.

Correction - I did get 6 eggs, 5 were not viable

 

[Lucille]

And in addition to many other red flags, I did get 5 eggs from one of the females this year. 5 were not viable. One did successfully hatch - the Turtle is a baby regular green colored Red eared slider, this is what I believe fully implicates and proves Andrew Popp deliberately mislead, lies, and schemed. He is a proven thief, as I said all along.

You have skirted the truth so many times in this thread that your credibility to many is tenuous. True, it may be difficult to construct a chain of evidence that would serve as believable proof for your claim, above, but absent such a chain, your claim may be just one more lie.
If in fact you did not get what you paid for, I think most would agree that would be unfortunate and not fair, but the waters have been muddied to such an extent that a final, fair accounting may be extremely hard to get at.

 

[calebroad]

Lucille I really don’t want to go back and forth with you and the others full timers on the BOI. Andrew Michael Popp did scam me. Despite how much I dislike you, or vice versa. Andrew Popp did scam me.

I hope others will not trust this guy, this thread has not gone my way. But if I save one person from being frauded by Andrew Popp - this entire mess was worth my while.

Another one of the “hets” is now gravid, If i get a hatched baby Turtle, I will post if it is a beautiful caramel or snow - or not.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I added Andrew Popps 3 Albino “hets” to my group. The only males in the group are mature visual Caramels and snows.

Remember we later discovered Andrew Popp had advertised these same three turtles as albino only for a fraction of the price, prior to suddenly adding “Het” and inflating the size, ultimately collecting $6,000 in good old stolen funds. - after lying, he then admitted, then shut up.

Also factor in his statement that he did not know “het” really meant anything and did not think adding “het” was a “big deal”.

And in addition to many other red flags, I did get 5 eggs from one of the females this year. 5 were not viable. One did successfully hatch - the Turtle is a baby regular green colored Red eared slider, this is what I believe fully implicates and proves Andrew Popp deliberately mislead, lies, and schemed. He is a proven thief, as I said all along.

"We later discovered"'? Speak for yourself please. What I discovered is that you are quite sneaky andl deceptive. In other words, you lie.

 

[calebroad]

Lying? - well with Chris Kennard, Lucille, and Andrew Popp - I’m in good company

 

[Snake-Queen]

I added Andrew Popps 3 Albino “hets” to my group. The only males in the group are mature visual Caramels and snows.

Remember we later discovered Andrew Popp had advertised these same three turtles as albino only for a fraction of the price, prior to suddenly adding “Het” and inflating the size, ultimately collecting $6,000 in good old stolen funds. - after lying, he then admitted, then shut up.

Also factor in his statement that he did not know “het” really meant anything and did not think adding “het” was a “big deal”.

And in addition to many other red flags, I did get 5 eggs from one of the females this year. 5 were not viable. One did successfully hatch - the Turtle is a baby regular green colored Red eared slider, this is what I believe fully implicates and proves Andrew Popp deliberately mislead, lies, and schemed. He is a proven thief, as I said all along.

That is not how it works.
You cannot base the likelihood of a het solely on ONE baby.

I'm basing my knowledge off snakes and lizards, assuming it works for turtles as well.

A Visual x het breeding nets a 50% chance each egg will be a visual & a 50% chance that it will not be a visual.
All the one baby proves is that the quarter came up tails instead of heads. There has to be a larger sample group for you to say conclusively that the female is not a het and you were lied to.

 

[Lucille]

Lying? - well with Chris Kennard, Lucille, and Andrew Popp - I’m in good company

There you go again, presenting zero facts, and trying to divert readers from recognizing that you have no proof. You have done that on this thread and others, it has not worked in any of them.

 

[AllisonLeigh]

It's been a long time since I saw these names pop up! I was actually just recently wondering, what was the outcome of the court case or is it still pending? Are you able to share the proof you say you have of Andrew's "statements" yet, as that would surely remove some of the uncertainty people are experiencing.

 

[Mister Internet]

One did successfully hatch - the Turtle is a baby regular green colored Red eared slider, this is what I believe fully implicates and proves Andrew Popp deliberately mislead, lies, and schemed. He is a proven thief, as I said all along.

If you believe this "fully implicates" Popp in the situation and GUARANTEES that the turtle is not a het... the only thing that proves is that you don't understand genetics or what it means to be heterozygous, or what a simple Punnett Square could show you about genetic trait distribution.

 

[T Rex]

ROTFLMAO

ROTFLMAO.... that has to be the funniest thing that has happened on this entire thread. OMG! I cant stop laughing....WOW!

After his display of complete inability to demonstrate an ounce of verbal restraint. Not able to hold his tonged on any issue or any occurrence, Chris wants us to believe that:
He had a gravid turtle....... didn't tell anyone
The turtle laid 6 eggs........ didn't tell anyone
Harvested the eggs...........didn't tell anyone
Incubated the eggs...........didn't tell anyone
Hatched the eggs..............didn't tell anyone

Then one day after a couple of post and reply's, he just says oh by the way "I hatched out eggs and they didn't prove" aahhh ha ha ha...... stop it.... and the best part of it is not one single person believes him and he doesn't know why?

 

[T Rex]

Call Hollywood

Call Hollywood this needs to be a movie.
The only thread better than this one was the one against Ken Foose from Exotic Pets. It is another must read. An amazing job by the BOI to uncover a total lie and clear Kens name. Who needs cable TV, I'm canceling my cable till I read all of them. If anyone has a recommendation let me know. Ill be waiting with a bowl of popcorn.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Perhaps time for an update, yes?

 

[calebroad]

All these trolls rolling on the floor laughing their a**** off. I wish I was so very easily amused. The story remains the same, with Andrew Michael Popp having disappeared, and completely ignoring the BOI and other forums.

However, I appreciate Fauna kicking him off, when he came on under a fake name and defended himself.

I have hatched more eggs, this time with other people involved and with more documentation, I hope to get a judgement against the felon. My understanding is that he lost his job, and is now drifting, peddling heroin where he can.

Meanwhile, the Fauna boi has an extremely bad rep for all the trolling and haggling, so I have moved the discussion to more reputable forums. Now, let the Fauna trolls explode in

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[Insomniac101]

Meanwhile, the Fauna boi has an extremely bad rep for all the trolling and haggling . . . .

I don't believe that. Fauna has done a fine job of exposing scammers, and other undesirables, saving folks money, and migraines. Yes, there have been childish, and rude comments, but nowhere near enough to give the BOI an "extremely bad rep". Come to think of it, most of those negative comments have come from those who have been busted.

Kathy

 

[Snake-Queen]

I don't believe that. Fauna has done a fine job of exposing scammers, and other undesirables, saving folks money, and migraines. Yes, there have been childish, and rude comments, but nowhere near enough to give the BOI an "extremely bad rep". Come to think of it, most of those negative comments have come from those who have been busted.

Kathy

I agree.

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

I don't believe that. Fauna has done a fine job of exposing scammers, and other undesirables, saving folks money, and migraines. Yes, there have been childish, and rude comments, but nowhere near enough to give the BOI an "extremely bad rep". Come to think of it, most of those negative comments have come from those who have been busted.

Kathy

Here, Here,

Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles

 

[calebroad]

Lynn Peterson - you want one? You want me to send you one of Andrew Michael Popps turtles? You will owe me nothing and you will hold no liability for anything ever.

You breed Popps turtle with a Carmel or snow - you will get greens. I offer this here and now. Once and for all.

These turtles are het nothing. And I can prove it. Don’t tell me I have shortcomings - for this I already know.

What’s it take for a guy to prove himself - if you will agree, I’ll send her to you. On Monday. Take this offer - while Popp
Has run away, I am still here pleading my case. I will prove myself