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Bad Guy Scammer Lance Allen (Lance.Allen423)

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Okay I posted some snakes for sale.
He messages me wanting me to trade...
he has all high end stuff and only been on Fauna for a month.
he sends pics. and I do a simple google image search.

pics are from different members on hoobly. from different parts of the country.

Be warned.


** he has been notified

email replies


me-
So you live in ohio and you live in Georgia and you live in Tennessee?

2014-03-26 14:59 GMT-04:00 Lance <[email protected]>:
Lance 5:09 PM (6 minutes ago)

How would I be scamming you f***ing retard if I would ship first idiot I don't have pics on me while I'm at work I gave you exact weights just used other pics srry didn't know it was a crime my crystal was pics I took dumb f*ck
 

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Lance

5:27 PM (6 minutes ago)

to me
Not tryin to sale the ones in pic like I said I didn't have pics on my phone I know how to google image something so I'd have to be a complete moron to think other people wouldn't so get your facts straight I wasn't trying to sale snakes that didn't belong to me at the time I didn't have pics on me those were used as references why wud I send exact weights of my shit if I was scamming think about it use your brain
Magical Geckos [email protected]

5:32 PM (1 minute ago)

to Lance
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464858
Magical Geckos [email protected]

5:33 PM (0 minutes ago)

to Lance
I asked you for pictures of the snakes, i did not ask you for what the snakes look like.
why would you even bother sending me photos of someone elses snakes?
they do no good what so ever.
 
Im faster said:
Lance 5:09 PM (6 minutes ago)
srry didn't know it was a crime
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Some financially motivated infringement of copyrighted material is in fact a crime.

Dennis
I think for most sellers, if they did not have pictures with them of snakes that were to be part of a transaction, they would wait until they got home.
I'm thinking he did not get permission to use those photos that were not his for commercial purpose.
I think your warning is valid as a heads up, the snakes were at the very least misrepresented.
 
Dennis, when you discovered the pics were not his his answer to you would have said alot about him and his intentions. if he shipped to you first all you would have to have done was open the box, looks things over and if you did not like what he sent...return it. but the fact he offered to ship first leads me to believe he is on the up and up. there can be many reasons for him not being able to take pics of his own.
 
Using the photos was wrong. He may have the snakes, but it's safe to assume he doesn't actually live in 3 different states. Everything else aside, his response makes him an immediate 'do not deal with'. There is simply no way to defend that behavior.

Noelle
 
How in the heck is it acceptable to not take your own photos of your own animals in this day and age? If you can afford all of those animals, you can afford at LEAST a cell phone or a point and shoot camera, or SOMETHING that is capable of taking a picture. If not, surely you know somebody that does! If he really just didn't have any pictures on him, he could have simply said, "I am not at home and I don't have pictures on me, but I'll get some for you when I get home". Something is fishy.

He googled photos that were not his and sent them as if they were photos of the snakes he has, whether he even has snakes or not, we don't know. He never even mentioned anything like "these are just what they look like, not actual pics of the snakes". If that isn't shady as hell, I don't know what is. Who cares if he offers to ship first? It's plain weird that he used random photos offline and did not disclose it at all. Even if he has snakes of the same morph and sex, it's not ethical to send photos of a different animal than the one you would be sending out. Especially without disclosing that at all. The lack of disclosure screams that something is seriously off here.

In this day and age, if you are trying to sell your reptiles online, you need to be able to provide photos of them. It's not rocket science... pretty much every cell phone comes equipped with some sort of camera, and if you are in the minority of people that don't use a phone, a compact point and shoot can be had these days for a fraction of the cost of ONE of those snakes. Worst case scenario, borrow someone else's. One thing that never ceases to amaze me is people who spend $$$$$$$$$ on snakes and then can't provide even one half decent somewhat clear photo of the $300+ animals. You do not need to have any photography skills to take a basic stock picture with a cheap camera nowadays... the camera will do the work for you as long as you are capable of providing light and holding it still for 3 seconds.
 
Ed Clark said:
Please be more specific. are you saying this guy has commited a crime by using someone elses pics?
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Ed, I said exactly what I meant to say, that some infringements are in fact criminal, and did not make specific allegations.
This person seems to be taking a nonchalant view of using copyrighted material, I believe he has no idea of civil and criminal consequences of various sorts of infringement. Hopefully, he will read this thread and do some reading.

Sending pictures one does not own simply because one does not have photos on hand at that very moment sends up huge red flags. And his behavior cussing the OP when called out on it does not inspire confidence in how he handles issues.

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Dennis, did you post all messages between you two in full? Especially his first contact/response with you regarding your ad? If not, please post everything.
 
Sending you fake pics is a serious red flag. That guy would have sent you different snakes for sure. I would be suprized if he shipped you anything at all. Thanks Dennis for heads up.

Alex
 
Originally Posted by Lance.Allen423
What would you be looking for in trade for butter belly

Originally Posted by Im faster
nothing in particular

Originally Posted by Lance.Allen423
I'm interested in pinstripe and pewter to I have a hi white pied female and a ivory female pastel pied male a crystal male and pastel coral glow male we could make a group trade if you would be interested.


Originally Posted by Im faster
pics and weights?


Originally Posted by Lance.Allen423
I'll have to have your email cause I'm Doin this from my phone and It won't let me attach pics
 
When I got the following email, I thought the name seemed familiar...
On 3/26/2014 3:53 PM, Lance.Allen423 @ FaunaClassifieds wrote:
> The following message was sent to you via the FaunaClassifieds Contact Us form by Lance.Allen423 ( mailto:[email protected] ).
>
> --------------------------------
>
> How do I go about closing my account and removing my email from this site..I no longer want to be a member please deactivate or close my account please
>
> --------------------------------
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> Referring Page: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/usercp.php
> IP Address: 24.158.140.26
> User Name: Lance.Allen423
> User ID: 137606
> Email: [email protected]
>
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I guess this is his admission of guilt!

On 3/26/2014 3:53 PM, Lance.Allen423 @ FaunaClassifieds wrote:
> The following message was sent to you via the FaunaClassifieds Contact Us form by Lance.Allen423 ( mailto:[email protected] ).
>
> --------------------------------
>
> How do I go about closing my account and removing my email from this site..I no longer want to be a member please deactivate or close my account please
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