Scott's Serpents - BAD GUY - OBVIOUSLY

[melas]

So yeah . . . you guys have a great thing going here. I just wish I had found it in March instead of today!

I found Mr. Sanchez on Kingsnake.com. I began emailing him in regards to a pair of adult Burmese Pythons. After several emails I decided I would take the Female for $200 shipped. In an email he stated that he only accepted money orders or cashier's check. This immediately sent up red flags for me. I did some google searches on both his name and his business and found nothing. I posted a question on the Kingsnake.com forum asking if anyone had any dealings with him. This post was immediately removed as I guess it volated their Terms of Use. Without any information saying he was good or bad I decided I would go ahead and give him a try. Still a bit leary I called him and requested that he call me back. I explained that I was a bit nervous and that by talking to him I might be more at ease. He did call me back and he seemed knowledgeable and genuine. A nice guy in fact. I asked him if he would take paypal or a credit card. He said he would not as he had been "scammed" too many times before. I could understand that so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and sent a cashier's check via Certified Mail. The check was cashed and he emailed me for a ship date. We decided on a day, I took off work for it and received no snake. I emailed him trying to find out what happened. To this day I have received no more communication from him. At first I thought that maybe something happened to him or a family member. It has been several weeks now and after scanning through this forum I am positive that I've been had. Included below are copies of my correspondence.


I sent the first message via Kingsnake's contact page so that message was copied from his repy message - Messages are in reverse order with the most recent at the top.

From:Scott <[email protected]>
To:matalleATcomcast.net
Subject:Re: one more thing . . .
Date:Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:18:40 AM

What add do you want me to send to? I will send out tomorrow if that is ok or should I ship wed.?

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Any word yet? Did you get my voicemail? Thanks!


Matt

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott <[email protected]>
ok will check tomorrow

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
PO box #1481
Burbank,CA 91507

Certified Mail . . . you will have to sign for it.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott <[email protected]>
did not get it yet what ADD did you ens it to?

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Just curious if you got cashier's check yet? I attached an image of all of our local temps here for this week. If we don't ship this week I won't be around to receive a shipment until the end of next week (Thursday or Friday). Let me know what you want to do. Thanks!

Matt


-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
He is a yellow head and Het for tiger I will send pics on Monday/Tuesday I am going out of town this weekend.

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
So is it het for tiger or het for yellow head? Any pics?


Matt

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
I have a 4ft het tiger Retic yellow head very pretty!!!! and tame Asking $ 380 shipped.

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Scott,

Sorry about the flurry of emails! You are probably thi nking that this is not even worth all the hassle . . my appologies! I just wanted to let you know that my wife actually went ahead and sent you the cashier's check. I guess I didn't communicate the whole thing properly to her. So yeah . . . if you get that check on Tuesday or Wednesday would you be able to ship her out next week before I go to Nashville on the 25th? Thanks!

Also, do you ever get baby Tiger Retics or even larger, super-tame adults/sub-adults?? Thanks again!

Matt

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
Hey Matt here are the pics.....

Thanks,
Scott
ScottsSerpents.com
(818) 445-4849

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Thanks! I didn't send the check yet because I wanted to talk to you on the phone first . . . no offense but I guess I just need to make sure this isn't a scam. I've never been a fan of sending Cashier's checks to P.O. boxes. I still REALLY want this snake and I have the check sitting here. I just want to make sure everything is legit. I appreciate your patience on this. I left you two voicemails on this number (818) 445-4849. Please give me a call @ (717) xxx-xxxx any time before 11pm EST. Thanks!



Matt

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
The total is $200 w/ shipping shipped to your door.

$140.00 Burmese Python 12ft .1
$60.00 Shipping fee
Total: $200.00 OTD w/Shipping

-Scott
ScottsSerpents.com

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Okay then I'll send a cashier's check today. Please hold the snake for me. Thanks!

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
my paypal account is down right now....

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Would you take paypal? I see that you have it on your website. Thanks!


Matt

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
The female is a little over 11ft long and she is aval. I take cashiers checks,postal money orders,buisness checks.Very tame and healthy snake.

Please send payment to:

PO box #1481
Burbank,CA 91507

Make the check out to Terry Scott Sanchez

Thanks,
Scott
ScottsSerpents.com
(818) 445-4849

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
Okay so do you have both still? Is the female the 11footer? If you have them both I will take the larger one as long as it is tame. Please email me back with instructions. I guess your kingsnake.com ad has expired . . . .i forget what you ad said regarding payment terms etc . . .

[Let me interject here - his ad was REMOVED from kingsnake because of his "business" practices - wish they would have notified anyone emailing him at this point - would have saved me a lot of headache as well as $200]

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
I ship via Fedex overnight 10:30 am delivery. This Burm is very tame I will Garr. that.

Thanks,

Scott
ScottsSerpents.cvom

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
I see that you don't gurantee the temperment of your animals, unde rstandable, but I would be using these as presentation animals. I just need to be assured that they are not cage aggressive or aggressive otherwise (I realize they may have the classic burm feeding response - that's cool). What is your shipping method? Do/can you do door to door overnight or do you use delta dash etc? Thanks!


Matt

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Scott
they are about 4-5 yrs old they were somones pet. Never breed. I am located in Burbank,CA 91504

matalleATcomcast.net wrote:
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[This is my original email to him - it was sent through the Kingsnake.com system - i just copied this out of his reply]

what other info can you give me about this pair? how old are t hey. h ave they been bred previously. why are you getting rid of them? do you have any additional pics? where are you located. thanks!

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[Cat_72]

I see Terry/Scott/whatever Sanchez his name is today is still at it......

I'm sorry he ripped you off.....I'm not certain, but have you contacted your bank to see if there is anything they can do with the cashiers check?

I would file a complaint at KS as well..if enough people complain, maybe hell get banned from there too....

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Matthew, His real name is Terrance Sanchez. A known Scammer.

This is his last known address.

2301 north Niagra
Apt 201
Burbanks CA 91504



A couple of previous threads.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95585
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82824

 

[melas]

Actually my wife works at the bank . . . once cashed there's nothing that can be done (we did get some info on him from the back of the check). Thanks for the info! I will definitely use this info when I contact the local police etc.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Actually my wife works at the bank . . . once cashed there's nothing that can be done (we did get some info on him from the back of the check). Thanks for the info! I will definitely use this info when I contact the local police etc.

Good Luck!

All the other threads.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83731
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97552
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95585
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88892
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82824
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86090
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97159
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96209
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80870

 

[melas]

So how did you get this picture? Are you local to the area? Its pretty funny that we've posted a pic of the outside of his house. . . this dude has some cahones if he continues after that. I'm sure he will though . . .

 

[Dennis Hultman]

So how did you get this picture? Are you local to the area? Its pretty funny that we've posted a pic of the outside of his house. . . this dude has some cahones if he continues after that. I'm sure he will though . . .

Photo courtesy of another member ( Thanks Wes) in one of the threads I linked above.

 

[Serafim]

Posting a photo of his house won't stop a scammer like that. He posted that to let him know he can be found. The guy is an idiot and will not stop until someone stops him..Legally I mean LOL..

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Posting a photo of his house won't stop a scammer like that. He posted that to let him know he can be found. The guy is an idiot and will not stop until someone stops him..Legally I mean LOL..

Exactly.

 

[Jim O]

Hasn't this guy done enough to be charged with mail fraud?

 

[spinone98]

From original post:

"I asked him if he would take paypal or a credit card. He said he would not as he had been "scammed" too many times before."

I guess when Terry had to repay Paypal/Visa for trying to stiff me, he changed his policy. This guy is such a piece of work. He needs to be in jail. They say "Karma kills" and "What goes around, comes around". When it comes around for him, it will probably be like being broadsided by a semi.

All that said, I am sorry for your loss and hope you find a way to recover your money and nail Terry Sanchez to the wall.

MW

 

[Boaguy80]

I bought a baby boa from terry not the adult I figured it would be. I think it might be a 05 and not a 02. Anyway it came to me in bad packaging and it had mites. I put $600 in vet bills into this snake and it died. I never had a albino and wanted to start out with a bigger adult. Now seeing them listed I spent way to much for a small snake. I can't afford another for a few year. Terry seems nice on the phone and in emails but after I got the animal he never was reachable. anyway I hope u get ur money

 

[Wilomn]

Call the police dept. out here. Let them know what he's done, that it isn't the first or second or tenth time, maybe print out one or two of these threads about him but definately provide links to them, and see if they'll do anything for you.

Burbank Police DepartmentBurbank Police Department Chief of Police Thomas K Hoefel 200 N Third St Burbank, California 91502 (818)238-3200 Visit Department's Homepage ...
www.usacops.com/ca/p91502/index.html - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

 

[newmann]

why has kingsnake ...

allowed this guy to continue to post all this time? You say they removed a post asking about scott why don't they think maybe there something shady about the fella. I can't believe that they never look at this board, and just turn a blind eye to anyone on their board asking about a payed classified members reputation. Has no one ever complained to kingsnake about him?
Amanda

 

[Wraith]

allowed this guy to continue to post all this time? You say they removed a post asking about scott why don't they think maybe there something shady about the fella. I can't believe that they never look at this board, and just turn a blind eye to anyone on their board asking about a payed classified members reputation. Has no one ever complained to kingsnake about him?
Amanda

Oh I am sure that some have filed complaints, but KS will only act on complaints that came from those people who directly did business with that guy through an ad placed on their site. They more or less don't listen to 3rd party complaints or bad dealings through other websites because that's just hearsay.


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[newmann]

Thank you that was informative.
I know some of the complants heard here happened on kingsnake ads, perhaps more people will document their problems when they happen, and kingsnake will have the necessary info they need to monitor the classified members.
Amanda

 

[melas]

What really irks me about kingsnake's behavior is that even though they KNEW that this guy was bad enough to be removed from their site they did not have the foresight to warn anyone who had sent emails to him via their site's email system. They would have had my email address on file as a correspondant of his and could have simply emailed me saying "Hey FYI, we removed this sack of slime from our site". That would have been enough for me to cease all communication with him! Oh well its definitely not their fault but It would have been a MUCH appreciated courtesy.

I did talk to the postmaster general's office regarding mail fraud. They said that since he recieved the payment via mail but nothing was sent back via mail it was not fraud. Although I did have to quickly explain that no snakes were shipped (or were planned to be shipped) through the USPS - I knew that it was illegal and would never have entertained the idea. I'm working with my local/state police to have them contact his local police so that my request might carry a bit more merrit (my cousin is a PA State Police Detective). I'm also going to file the documents to have his website shut down as well as all of his email addresses that he used with me for correspondence as well as that pesky P.O. Box. I have a friend who is a lawyer who's going to get me to a court date in small claims that I'm sure Terrance will be absent from (he has to come to PA since technically the crime occured here). From there I should be able to take out all forms of communication he has for this "business".

At this point I'm sure I'll never see the snake (I actually got an adult female burm from the Hamburg show - gorgeous btw) or the money. After reading all of the posts on here regarding him I'd just be happy to see him do some jail time (estatic actually).

I really appreciate everyone's help and kind words on this board. I only wish I had found this a few months earlier. I do web searches on everyone I deal with and his name just did not come up. Can we get the owner's of this site to do some SEO work (search engine optimization). I'd think with as many times as his name(s) is mentioned here he should be getting a few hits on a google search! I'll keep you all posted. See you soon Terrance . . .