ScottsSerpents False advertisment..

[The Reptile House]

What you forgot to see was that I he even changes his add prices on other sites as well. He also went and bashed steph on another thread started by him. He was not even professional enough to come forward and admit that he had made a mistake in presenting his add to begin with, instead he made a big deal that he was correct the whole time and it was Steph that was troubled! Give me a break, this guy should not be delt with for many reasons and we are glad that she brought this forward for all to be warned. In this business that we are all in together on in some way or another with our love of reptiles no matter how petty this person can be people in this industry just simply do not do business with the likes of them. To many people have been screwed over by people just like him in the past. He is defiantly one in my books as well as to stay away from! He chose to take this path and make himself a person not to deal with, that was his choice to do so and he will have to live with that. Shanell.

 

[ravensgait]

Maybe I missed something but there two other threads about this by -timothy w. hurkmans and Terry Scott now Terry I can understand trying to cover his butt yet there is one by Tim and this is who? and has what to do with this? or is this Terry under another name?? ....Randy

 

[The Reptile House]

Don't worry Steph your just fine, there is nothing that you ned to worry about. He has been called out by too many of us here and he lied from the start. He knows because he has not even been back! No wories, Shanell.

 

[Mister Internet]

I am a bit weary about putting my full name and birth date on this forum. If I get warning points then let it be. If you want my name and want to speak to me PM me. I am an excellent people person. I deal with people everyday in my business. I know enough that when people make mistakes everybody knows (especially in my industry All I am saying is that when somebody is at fault for something you don't blacklist them and accuse them of bad business. I only say this because I'm sure that Scott has done good business in the past and you all cannot be so quick to judge. By the way you are legally allowed to change prices on items so long as you make the public aware of the new price. Stephanie, you cannot legally claim false advertisement unless you were injured as a result of the "deception". And I use the term deception very loosely.

I think you need to read a few hundred threads in the BOI here and come back to post when you realize the sort of people the industry has had to put up with the last few years. And she's not "legally" claiming jack squat, had you cared to read, she's just giving a heads-up... I know you were just dying to share your vast knowledge with us, but it's really not necessary. Just let the bad guys tie their own nooses and watch the show... they don't need an advocate.

BTW, you are REQUIRED to put your full name in your posts on the BOI, or you will simply be banned... it's not really something you get to decide. You might get away with warning points at first, be if you refuse to do it, they will ban you, your call.

 

[Mister Internet]

*sigh*

Yes, there is a legal aspect to the CRIMINAL CHARGE of "False Advertisement". However, last I looked, this isn't a courtroom, and there is no judge present... however, we ARE a jury of peers, and it is BLATANTLY obvious, by virtue of the number and credibility of those who witnessed the prior wording of the ad, that he was attempting to make it seem as if his ad had always appeared in a certain wording when it had NOT. He posted an advertisement with false information... can we call it a false advertisement? We sure can, because that's what it was... doesn't mean we can TAKE HIM TO COURT AND PRESS CHARGES for "False Advertisement", but we're allowed to use those two words to paint the most descriptive picture of what happened.

She posted a "heads-up" that the seller posted FALSE information in an ADVERTISEMENT... the seller then LIED by claiming that the wording of the ad had never been "$150 SHIPPED". Several CREDIBLE members here witnessed that this was a BLATANT LIE, and an obvious attempt by the seller to backpedal. This is referred to as "bait and switch" in most industries.

You may continue to believe that until actionable, legal avenues are pursuable, a seller's practices are simply "bad business", but most of us here are content to send them packing before they ever have the chance to genuinely scam someone. The telltale signs are the same with EVERY scammer, and it's in everyone's best interests to target and eliminate sellers who, whether through ignorance or deception, have no idea how to run a business. To not do so would certianly be "bad business".

 

[ravensgait]

Well Android I wonder why you come here to defend this person? You just joined, don't read the threads or don't understand what you've read. You can't follow simple posted rules, don't seem to mind when someone advertises one price but changes it when you contact them. You don't seem to be bothered by someone lying to the members of this board to try and cover their deception. Gee I hope you do post your name so I'll know not to ever contact you if you offer something for sale.

I think we need an IP check on this one. Randy

 

[skunklver18]

Well what upsets me is that I never called him and him accusing me of doing so is lieing, I didnt lie about the stuff I said, I guess it was just to pettty to post on here, Whenever I do I business deal I always go through email, and if I have to call I have my bf call for me. I mean I know there is no proof but iam the shyest person ever and hate talking on the phone, even when I have to call up for bills, or call for anything I beg my bf to do it for me, he says I need to get a backbone, but I just get so nervous when talking on the phone... I dont know the point of this, but all im saying is, I never called him..

 

[DThomas]

I am a bit weary about putting my full name and birth date on this forum.

Your birthdate is not required but your full name is. Anonymous posting is not allowed on the BOI.

 

[shrap]

What you forgot to see was that I he even changes his add prices on other sites as well.

I have seen this alluded to a couple of times now. I dont see anything wrong with having different prices on different ads on different sites. Who cares if he is charging more on one site than on another. It is completely irrelevant in my opinion.

 

[The Reptile House]

For the same reptiles. That's my point. So what's his true price? Why not list them at the same price on all the sites. He has some listed for this price and then somewhere else lowers/raises them to another price and so on. So what if you respond to one of his other adds somewhere else and say he has something listed for $100 but on another site completly same thing $75 but when you e-mail he goes right back to the higher price hince Stephanie's situation. if you have something for sale list the correct price, if you sell that item on a different site sell it for the same price, if you change a price on one site change it on all of them, it's quite simple he changed his rather fast on here! I have personally watched one of his other adds on another site constantly change price, I guess he just can not make up his mind but a constant price change back and forth warents caution for me. Shanell.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Mr. Android
I could care less about his prices. I wouldn’t care if he raised his prices, refused to sell to someone, changed his mind about selling them all together.

What is at issue is this.

skunklver18 You called me trying to low ball me the price is $150.00 + $50 Shipping as stated on the ad. I always list different prices on Fauna and KingSnake lots of my Fauna custermers are local. I always work out a deal with local people so I dont have to ship!

skunklver18 FYI you only post here if there is a major problem. Not because you tried lowballing me and did not get your way.
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His ad didn’t say that. He changed it after this thread was made public. He flat out lied to this board and tried
To make everyone believe Stephanie lied or misread the ad. That is lowdown disgusting. He owes her an apology.

And so does Mr. timothy w. hurkmans who was on here viewing this thread this morning. He doesn’t have the decency to apologize for that BOI thread he started. This is what he said again

Quote:
stephanie searle...FALSE ACCUSER!

stephanie searle recently accused scotts serpents of advertsing on fauna for 7 ball pythons $150 shipped.in the ad it CLEARLY states the snakes are $150 and the shipping charges are $50.what don't you get stephanie?
your first post on the BOI and you lie to slam someone's reputation,sellers whould you want stephanie as your customer? SELLERS BEWARE!!!! TWH

It clearly DID NOT.
And what the hell are you doing starting a third thread about it anyway?

 

[Tsutton5]

agreed

I have to agree, he may not be a scammer but I wouldnt do bussiness with him.....If the reason is because he can sell it locally with out the shipping than deduct the cost of shipping at that time..JMO

 

[Tsutton5]

I also notice he has not been back here to defend himself, raises all kind of red flags

 

[Chameleon Company]

Scotts Serpents and Timothy Hurkmans conjure up an image of Beavis and Butthead sitting in tandem, and circle-jerking one another ... hehe ... hehehehe .. hehehehe. To come here with this crap, with the threads against Stephanie, and the editing of their ad so as to make it appear she was lying .... seems that masturbation not only makes you blind, but stupid as well. I had a few more undignified thoughts, but chose the high road instead. Android, show some balls and put your name on your posts.

 

[Android]

Chameleon,
That is uncalled for. Extremely unprofessional.
-Andrew Collins-

 

[ScottsSerpents]

Chameleon Company *Are you Confused??? 1st you say 1 thing now another!!!!

Scotts Serpents and Timothy Hurkmans conjure up an image of Beavis and Butthead sitting in tandem, and circle-jerking one another ... hehe ... hehehehe .. hehehehe. To come here with this crap, with the threads against Stephanie, and the editing of their ad so as to make it appear she was lying .... seems that masturbation not only makes you blind, but stupid as well. I had a few more undignified thoughts, but chose the high road instead. Android, show some balls and put your name on your posts.

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Chameleon Company

I agree with you in that I can see where Stephanie might have been confused. I have to suggest that many others would read the ad and not be confused, and that the problem as such lies more with Stephanie, and not with Scott. But for Stephanie to take a minor confusion, which is largely her perception problem, and make it a negative BOI post, would rate an abuse of privilege to me. While Rich has opened things up more here, I wish he had a "60 day suspension" button, cause I would zap Stephanie with it. Sorry Steph, but some of us don't see the BOI is a wall to sling mud at, hoping something sticks.
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To Whom it may concern,


To all you negative talkers who don't have a life and don't know what you are talking about or fighting for.

EXAMPLE : page #2

"Chameleon Company" 1st they talk badly about steph- Skunklver18. Then they talk badly against me and my business. They are evidently confused and have nothing better to do. I think you guys "Chameleon Company" are real immature with your last post how rude and inappropriate are you guys. How professional is that man you guys stoop.

EXAMPLE: page # 9

"The Reptile House" They talk about professionalism who are they to talk. They knock my business and lie about me. Example Reptile house- "To many people have been screwed over by people just like him in the past. Now legally I could come after you for slandering my business but I have a life. I have never screwed skunklver18 over she did not even buy from me so what are you talking about? I told her the price and she said " no thanks".


*Come on people know what you are fighting for and then think before you post Neg stuff on the BIO.

* If some one does not like the price then they don't have to buy it. It is as simple as that! " Its America "


* Now lets get to the whole ordeal about this price changing topic. I have ran several ads on Snakes for different prices it is your jobs to read it thourally. Skunklver18 asked if I had 7 available for $150. I told her I could do 7 for $200 shipped to her. The ad said $150 total but if you read the shipping part it says $50.00 which means $200 shipped. Now for Skunklver18 to post neg stuff on the BOI because she did not get the price she wanted is foolish.

I never lied to her I told her the price of the balls. She even admits it in her statements that I told her $200.00 and choose not to buy from me. Even if I changed the ad after the post why does it show on her link for the ad $200.00 ?


**** FYI***
For your infomation which is really none of your business!!!!!!

Why would I sell (7) CB 6 month old Balls for $100. +50 shipping? If I payed $12.00 ea. for them and put $5.00 worth of in food per ball. I would be losing major money I am in the business to make money not losing it!

*As it is you guys can see I really make little money off my snakes I love snakes and try to help people out and give them great prices!!! I love seeing happy customers, but at the same time I can't low ball myself I have a family to feed!!!

THIS IS MY LAST POST I HAVE A LIFE TO ATTEND TO AND IT IS ALSO MY B-DAY TOMORROW the 4th. THANK YOU NEGATIVE PEOPLE FOR STRESSING ME OUT ON MY B_DAY!!!!

TO ALL THAT DEFENDED ME THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT I APPRICIATE IT VERY MUCH!!!

THANK YOU,

FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTION:

(818) 445-4849
[email protected]
-SCOTT

THANK YOU

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I never read your ad before that thread was posted. I have no knowledge of Stephanie.
I did however click onto the link in the first post when Stephanie posted it. It did say 150 shipped. So did at least a half a dozen other members here. I could care less how much you sell your snakes for but you did change that ad after Stephanie made her post. Many credible people saw it also. That is a fact.

You made a mistake when posting your ad. You could have just not sold the snakes to her. But instead you changed your ad to make her look guilty of something she was not.

 

[ravensgait]

Yep your last post proved it Terry your not someone to do business with. I have to wonder what it is about this thread that messes with peoples reading comprehension.
You quoted Jim here's part of it ""Chameleon Company

I agree with you in that I can see where Stephanie might have been confused""

He like others looked at your add after you changed it, so his comment is understandable. Same with those other favorable comments towards you. You lied they didn't know you lied when they made those comments. Now they know and Well you should get it now--they think your a low life!!

Terry said""Now lets get to the whole ordeal about this price changing topic. I have ran several ads on Snakes for different prices it is your jobs to read it thourally. Skunklver18 asked if I had 7 available for $150. I told her I could do 7 for $200 shipped to her. The ad said $150 total but if you read the shipping part it says $50.00 which means $200 shipped. Now for Skunklver18 to post neg stuff on the BOI because she did not get the price she wanted is foolish""
Sure after you changed the add it said that but when I looked at it it said 150.00 shipped.

Terry you said""I never lied to her I told her the price of the balls. She even admits it in her statements that I told her $200.00 and choose not to buy from me. Even if I changed the ad after the post why does it show on her link for the ad $200.00 ?""

OK Rocket science here IE the link is to your add if you changed the add today to say a price of 1000000.00 her link to your add would show the price as 1000000.00 Doh!!

Ya changed the add after she contacted you and after a number of us saw the add. And your answer to that is?? Let me guess we're all out to get you uh huh.

You also said this Terry I wont try to set you straight on the legal aspects of this statement but usually when comments like these are made they come from bad guys who can't justify their actions and just have to try anything to scare people off even though it's toooo late. """Now legally I could come after you for slandering my business but I have a life." ""
Get a grip your busted fess up, apologise to Stephanie and this may die down. This threads going to be here for a long long time, might want to try the truth here it will make this thread shorter and well though it is likely to late may salvage some small amount of your reputation.. Randy

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Since you don’t have enough guts to own up to the scummy thing you did. I will be attaching this notice to all your ads shortly.

Warning-
It is extremely possible if you purchase an animal from this person, after you have paid, he may go back, change the price of this ad, and try to ruin your reputation.

Please view this thread on the BOI
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82824


Lets also put this in perspective not only are you calling Stephanie a liar, You are calling me a liar and

ravensgait
The Reptile House
TripleMoonsExotic
Rainbowboaman

 

[DThomas]

I'll make this very clear for you Terry. DO NOT start another thread over this issue. Keep it in this thread. Your last one has been deleted.