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This is a notice to inform all sellers that there is something seriously wrong with John Difede's views on this business. Please read along and find out what might happen to you if you choose to deal with this person. This thread is in response to an ad I placed on Kingsnake's Lizard Classifieds for an Ambilobe Panther Chameleon listed at $450 plus shipping. Please note the "Mafia" feel to his 2nd email where I'm advised I better meet his price or else...
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: Re:Female Ambilobe
Hi my name is John Difede, and I have been keeping up on some of your awesome classifieds that you have posted on kingsnake.com. You truly have some magnificient chameleons; strong, healty, and very vibrant in their coloration. The Ambilobe which you posted just recently really catches my interest. I my self have just recently bought a WC sirama male and female. The male is the biggest, and the most radical colored panther I have yet to come across. The female is knocked up with some fertilized eggs at the moment. Anyhow I ended up buying them both with my partner in the business, for $700($350 each). I am located in California so here is my offer inclusive of overnight shipping and handling: $390 for the female shipped. If this works for you please let me know either yes, or no. Thanks again, and good luck with your chams.
John Di Fede
[email protected]
To which I replied: She's $490 shipped not $390.
Now here is where it gets funny because he didn't get his way and he starts whining like a baby.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Female Ambilobe
You should reconsider what I said about me buying 2 healthy parasite free perfect condition panther siramas for only $700 pair. I would expect someone like your self to be a bit more professional and reasonable about the price. I am a hobbyist with chameleons my self. Yes I know about the trade embargo and that happened right before I bought my pair. The price was a lot at the time, but I understood the conditions for what I was getting. I have talked to some California breeders all ready about your classified and they have e-mailed me back with something along the lines of: "Yeagh its a cool looking female, but the price is way to steep!" Good luck with your offer until then try and make profit, not just an outrageously expensive offer.
P.S In case you didn't know WC's are always cheaper than a CB's. Just a little tip to help you out with this kind of business.
Thanks,
John Di Fede
[email protected]
I replied: I need your oppinion like another hole in the head. Have a nice day and good luck finding any Ambilobe....
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Female Ambilobe
Well I have a pair of Sirama AKA Ambilobe + the female is pregnant and guess what, when her offspring hatch I will let everybody know that $490 dollars shipped is the unprofessional price. $390 is the appropriate price with shipping. Plus they will be captive hatched which means they are more expensive than a WC. Your WC isn't a CB or a captive hatched first generation, so when you figure out how to run a business let us California folks know. In the mean time have a nice day with a hole in your head. Good luck trying to get much business. I will make sure my friends and connections from California all the way to Jacksonville, Florida know what to expect from you.
P.S Try to breed chameleons rather than continuosly pulling them out of the wild. You're out of luck now with the trade embargo.
Later...
My reply:
I get a kick out of how many people think they can dictate prices to other people then get pissed when they don't get their way. It really cracks me up when they come back and threaten me about how they are going to damage my business with what they say to their friends. What are you 16?
Call Kalam and see if he has any more pairs available for $1000. Maybe he'll cut you a break and sell them to you for what you offer. I'm perfectly happy keeping my price where it is and breeding the females in the meantime. I don't need to sell them because I have the ability to continue breeding them. You make these stupid comments about us not breeding and you'd have a cow if you had any idea just how many breeders we've kept for ourselves since last September when the Ambilobe first came in and how many eggs we have from successful matings, and that's not counting other locales including Ankaramy, blue and purple bar Ambanja, Nosy Be blues and Tamatave. It's enough that I can part with females and still not worry about people like you or what the embargo might do to me. IOW, we have the animals that you're looking to buy and they are breeding and producing for us in the meantime. To top that off, we're breeding from Ambilobe stock like Kraken, Chimaera and Firewalker, to name just a few, and you want to lecture me about breeding and who's going to have what to offer in the way of CB? Just because I don't have our breeders plastered all over the internet doesn't mean we don't have them and I'm certainly not worried about selling offspring from males like these. I'm even less worried about what some self opinionated person like yourself might tell your friends. You should really find out who you're dealing with before sending an email like this that makes you sound like an ass, but I appreciate the chuckle it produced.
Have a great weekend
Ronnie
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Female Ambilobe
> Here is one of many e-mails I have gotten after warning many folks out on the internet about [email protected]:
> "Between me and you, who is selling a female WC panther for over $400?
> I have paid 250 to 300 for anything that is WC(adult).CB is a bit more (not more then 400, ever) and even at that price they are proven breeders that come with stored sperm, from a very reputable bloodline."
> Before I go on any further I want you to know that I am and have been notifying everbody nationaly and globally about you and your charges.
Hope you like the warning I put out about your so called professional ass. You charge $40 for shipping too. What a cheapskate! You make me chuckle about how you are such a pro yet you suck at trying to sell anything because of your rediculous prices and dumbass mentality. The only body you will be able to sell your chams to will eventually be your friends down their in the everglades. Mark my word, me and many others are teaming up to put an end to people like you out on the internet. No I am not 16 even if I was I wouldn't judge somebody's intellect on their age. Matter of fact your probably 45 and I know you can't get a Tamatave Male panther sold on kingsnake.com for the last month and a half. Is this because it is overpriced? Real sophisticated you might call your self. Well you go ahead and breed all you want, but until you know how to run a business let me know. P.S-Good luck finding business. I've got to go and let the rest of the world know about your operation.
Thanks a lot, you take care now.
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!......
I sent a notice to inform him that I put his emails on my website at http://www.australianbeardies.com/jerk.htm
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Your business
I don't know what will happen to your business but here is what one fellow thinks about how you run your show:
* The response below was written by one of our previous customers, Scott Crone [email protected] We are addressing this email with Scott directly and will include his full response further below.
Hi john,
I have done a little business Ronnie at Australian Beardies, I bought a pair of Sambava Panthers from him, they were supposed to be Vet Checked Imports,treated and clean of parisites, so I thought, the male was great, the female had Filarial worms; The vet for Aus.Beardies said he did not see them when they had her there. SURE YOU DIDN'T! Luckily my vet had success removing all of the worms, and she is now a very nice breeder. That guy's business is falling apart, quick!
*Back to John's text...
If you think I am making this up well then I guess I am pretty freaking good at puting a bunch of bull #### together. I personally think after hearing this response that your business is truly ####. I'm also glad that I didn't end up buying that ambilobe female. By the way why don't you post what this fellow said about your business on that nifty website of yours. LOF*%$#!?L. Sorry I am so blunt about it but maybe you should try being a septic tank cleaner. P.S who's Ronnie? Thanks, you take care now. For the sake of your chameleons sell them to a professional so that they can be in good care.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: You!
> FLUSH!
At this point, I sent the last two emails above to Dr. Alfonso and to Scott Crone. We tried calling Scott and was not able to reach him but left a message on his answering machine. Scott sent this email in response.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: Resolution~
Ronnie,
I tried to call Ivan, and could not reach him. So please have him call again or E-mail me.
The Private statement I made to John Di Fede was a complaint I had also made to you. I am happy with the animals, unhappy that the female had highly noticeable worms in her side, and I had to spend money to have them removed. The matter is solved from here on out. I meant no offense to Ivan, I just thought I was paying for a VCI. I guess he didn't see the worms~ I am sorry and do not want to be part of any "War" as Ivan said on my voice mail.
John was in a classified room open to anyone, and said someone was trying to rip him off, I asked who the person was, and he told me that it was AB Herps, and "the guy was asking $490 for an Amilobe Panther." So I told him my story too. I have defended your name and VCI to a couple of people. I am sorry for any problems that I have caused; From this, I will learn to keep my nose out of other people's business.
You or Ivan are welcome to call me to talk about this further. Thanks.
Regards,
Scott Crone
----- Original Message -----
From: AB Herps VCI To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Resolution~
Scott,
I just got off the phone with Ivan and he filled me in on your conservation. I want to share these last two emails that was sent to me from John that Ivan has already told you about. Ivan said that you were going to call me later about this so I wanted to give you the opportunity to see for yourself what has transpired. I am going to post this last email from John to my site, which includes your text, and I will include a complete history of how we handled both the sale and the after sale support, including the offer of a full refund, to ship the female back for us to do the surgery, and free consultation with your vet that you expressed concern about due to the lack of their exotic animal experience. I don't know why you chose to say what you did and leave these vital facts out but Dr. Alfonso and myself will get to the bottom of this and take whatever actions are required to fight this slander and malicious intent to cause my business harm. I will be posting the complete email exchange between John and myself on Fauna Classified's BOI as a notice to sellers to beware of John and his dealings. I've already posted each of these emails on my site that can be linked to from the price page. Unfortunately, you're remarks will also be included in this and you will be identified as to the BOI's rules for posting these types of complaints. I have nothing to fear from this kind of exposure because I have nothing to hide and we have done nothing to warrant these kind of attacts. If you care to comment, please feel free to email me as I'd like to include it on my site and on the BOI so that everything is fair to everyone and the truth can be told. Dr. Alfonso and myself have also signed up to join ChamCom to address this topic at their forum if needed.
Ronnie Buck
Now we wait and see what happens. As to Scott's history as a customer, we sold him a pair of Sambava and according to Scott, the female had one or two filarial worms that we did not notice. How can that happen? Dr. Alfonso made a post to Kingsnake's Chameleon Forum tonight describing filarial worms and their life cycle. These facts can be varrified by any practicing veterinarian in the world, so feel free to ask any one of them. It was an honest mistake on our behalf and we made every effort to correct it including a full refund including shipping the animals back to us. We offered to ship the female to us and do the surgery and have Dr. Alfonso directly supervise her recovery and then ship her back after she recovered. Scott refused to do either of those so we offered free veterinary consultation with any vet of his choice to assist in describing the procedure based on Dr. Alfonso's years of panther chameleon experience. Dr. Alfonso and myself both expressed our apologies and made every effort to correct the situation. It's a very simple surgery for any vet to perform and there is absolutely no reason for us NOT to perform this surgery IF we had seen them. The following is Dr. Alfonso's post to Kingsnake, which can be viewed at http://www.kingsnake.com/forum/chameleon/messages/8789.html
Posted by Ivan on June 23, 2002 at 17<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8:24:
Well I decided to write this because of a situation that just seem to have happened. Let me explain first the basics with this parasite. Reptile filarids are in the same family as canine heartworms and they tend to live in the subcutaneous tissues. The situation is that for every worm I have ever removed, there is at least another one, smaller in size with it. Sometimes I have even removed 3 or 4 from the same site. Some of these worms are so small that you don't see the typical "zig-zag" under the skin and they can easily grow later and "show up" out of the blue as the zig-zag we all know. I've had removed filarial worms from the skin and even from the tongue of several of my breeders months after they have been under my care. What this means is that not because you remove all the visible worms the animal is free of them since any tiny one left around in the subcutaneous tissue can grow into a bigger one later on. Ivermectin is the medicine used to treat the filarial larvae in mammals but this drug seems to be highly toxic and sometimes lethal in chameleons.
The reason I am bringing this up is because Ronnie sold a pair of Sambava panther chameleons a few months ago and upon receipt, the customer reported that the female had one filarial worm. The female had no worms while in our possesion yet showed one after being shipped. The person now seems to think that we shipped the animal in that state with full knowledge of this. In the past we even kept a female Ankaramy for about 3 months before shipping her to the owner because she didn't seem to be doing all too well. During the rehab period she developed a "zig-zag" in her throat (which wasn't there initially) and after surgery was done, 2 filarial worms were removed from the site. Both animals are doing great.
If you own or plan to own WC chameleons (especially Madagascar chameleons) examine them routinely since these parasites could show up even when they were not there when you purchased the animal.
Opinions are always welcome,
Ivan Alfonso, DVM
This is where is stands right now and I'm expecting a reply from Scott hopefully sometime tonight or tomorrow. The bottom line of this thread is that John tried to butter me up then offer a lower price than what was advertised. He asked for a simple yes or no reply to his offer which I said no. The emails from that point on are nothing but the ranting tantrums of a person that is off his frigging rocker. I advise any sellers that are contacted by John to RUN like Hell because he's nothing but BAD NEWS!
Ronnie Buck
AB Herps - Australian Beardies
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: Re:Female Ambilobe
Hi my name is John Difede, and I have been keeping up on some of your awesome classifieds that you have posted on kingsnake.com. You truly have some magnificient chameleons; strong, healty, and very vibrant in their coloration. The Ambilobe which you posted just recently really catches my interest. I my self have just recently bought a WC sirama male and female. The male is the biggest, and the most radical colored panther I have yet to come across. The female is knocked up with some fertilized eggs at the moment. Anyhow I ended up buying them both with my partner in the business, for $700($350 each). I am located in California so here is my offer inclusive of overnight shipping and handling: $390 for the female shipped. If this works for you please let me know either yes, or no. Thanks again, and good luck with your chams.
John Di Fede
[email protected]
To which I replied: She's $490 shipped not $390.
Now here is where it gets funny because he didn't get his way and he starts whining like a baby.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Female Ambilobe
You should reconsider what I said about me buying 2 healthy parasite free perfect condition panther siramas for only $700 pair. I would expect someone like your self to be a bit more professional and reasonable about the price. I am a hobbyist with chameleons my self. Yes I know about the trade embargo and that happened right before I bought my pair. The price was a lot at the time, but I understood the conditions for what I was getting. I have talked to some California breeders all ready about your classified and they have e-mailed me back with something along the lines of: "Yeagh its a cool looking female, but the price is way to steep!" Good luck with your offer until then try and make profit, not just an outrageously expensive offer.
P.S In case you didn't know WC's are always cheaper than a CB's. Just a little tip to help you out with this kind of business.
Thanks,
John Di Fede
[email protected]
I replied: I need your oppinion like another hole in the head. Have a nice day and good luck finding any Ambilobe....
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Female Ambilobe
Well I have a pair of Sirama AKA Ambilobe + the female is pregnant and guess what, when her offspring hatch I will let everybody know that $490 dollars shipped is the unprofessional price. $390 is the appropriate price with shipping. Plus they will be captive hatched which means they are more expensive than a WC. Your WC isn't a CB or a captive hatched first generation, so when you figure out how to run a business let us California folks know. In the mean time have a nice day with a hole in your head. Good luck trying to get much business. I will make sure my friends and connections from California all the way to Jacksonville, Florida know what to expect from you.
P.S Try to breed chameleons rather than continuosly pulling them out of the wild. You're out of luck now with the trade embargo.
Later...
My reply:
I get a kick out of how many people think they can dictate prices to other people then get pissed when they don't get their way. It really cracks me up when they come back and threaten me about how they are going to damage my business with what they say to their friends. What are you 16?
Call Kalam and see if he has any more pairs available for $1000. Maybe he'll cut you a break and sell them to you for what you offer. I'm perfectly happy keeping my price where it is and breeding the females in the meantime. I don't need to sell them because I have the ability to continue breeding them. You make these stupid comments about us not breeding and you'd have a cow if you had any idea just how many breeders we've kept for ourselves since last September when the Ambilobe first came in and how many eggs we have from successful matings, and that's not counting other locales including Ankaramy, blue and purple bar Ambanja, Nosy Be blues and Tamatave. It's enough that I can part with females and still not worry about people like you or what the embargo might do to me. IOW, we have the animals that you're looking to buy and they are breeding and producing for us in the meantime. To top that off, we're breeding from Ambilobe stock like Kraken, Chimaera and Firewalker, to name just a few, and you want to lecture me about breeding and who's going to have what to offer in the way of CB? Just because I don't have our breeders plastered all over the internet doesn't mean we don't have them and I'm certainly not worried about selling offspring from males like these. I'm even less worried about what some self opinionated person like yourself might tell your friends. You should really find out who you're dealing with before sending an email like this that makes you sound like an ass, but I appreciate the chuckle it produced.
Have a great weekend
Ronnie
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Female Ambilobe
> Here is one of many e-mails I have gotten after warning many folks out on the internet about [email protected]:
> "Between me and you, who is selling a female WC panther for over $400?
> I have paid 250 to 300 for anything that is WC(adult).CB is a bit more (not more then 400, ever) and even at that price they are proven breeders that come with stored sperm, from a very reputable bloodline."
> Before I go on any further I want you to know that I am and have been notifying everbody nationaly and globally about you and your charges.
Hope you like the warning I put out about your so called professional ass. You charge $40 for shipping too. What a cheapskate! You make me chuckle about how you are such a pro yet you suck at trying to sell anything because of your rediculous prices and dumbass mentality. The only body you will be able to sell your chams to will eventually be your friends down their in the everglades. Mark my word, me and many others are teaming up to put an end to people like you out on the internet. No I am not 16 even if I was I wouldn't judge somebody's intellect on their age. Matter of fact your probably 45 and I know you can't get a Tamatave Male panther sold on kingsnake.com for the last month and a half. Is this because it is overpriced? Real sophisticated you might call your self. Well you go ahead and breed all you want, but until you know how to run a business let me know. P.S-Good luck finding business. I've got to go and let the rest of the world know about your operation.
Thanks a lot, you take care now.
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!......
I sent a notice to inform him that I put his emails on my website at http://www.australianbeardies.com/jerk.htm
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Your business
I don't know what will happen to your business but here is what one fellow thinks about how you run your show:
* The response below was written by one of our previous customers, Scott Crone [email protected] We are addressing this email with Scott directly and will include his full response further below.
Hi john,
I have done a little business Ronnie at Australian Beardies, I bought a pair of Sambava Panthers from him, they were supposed to be Vet Checked Imports,treated and clean of parisites, so I thought, the male was great, the female had Filarial worms; The vet for Aus.Beardies said he did not see them when they had her there. SURE YOU DIDN'T! Luckily my vet had success removing all of the worms, and she is now a very nice breeder. That guy's business is falling apart, quick!
*Back to John's text...
If you think I am making this up well then I guess I am pretty freaking good at puting a bunch of bull #### together. I personally think after hearing this response that your business is truly ####. I'm also glad that I didn't end up buying that ambilobe female. By the way why don't you post what this fellow said about your business on that nifty website of yours. LOF*%$#!?L. Sorry I am so blunt about it but maybe you should try being a septic tank cleaner. P.S who's Ronnie? Thanks, you take care now. For the sake of your chameleons sell them to a professional so that they can be in good care.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: You!
> FLUSH!
At this point, I sent the last two emails above to Dr. Alfonso and to Scott Crone. We tried calling Scott and was not able to reach him but left a message on his answering machine. Scott sent this email in response.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: Resolution~
Ronnie,
I tried to call Ivan, and could not reach him. So please have him call again or E-mail me.
The Private statement I made to John Di Fede was a complaint I had also made to you. I am happy with the animals, unhappy that the female had highly noticeable worms in her side, and I had to spend money to have them removed. The matter is solved from here on out. I meant no offense to Ivan, I just thought I was paying for a VCI. I guess he didn't see the worms~ I am sorry and do not want to be part of any "War" as Ivan said on my voice mail.
John was in a classified room open to anyone, and said someone was trying to rip him off, I asked who the person was, and he told me that it was AB Herps, and "the guy was asking $490 for an Amilobe Panther." So I told him my story too. I have defended your name and VCI to a couple of people. I am sorry for any problems that I have caused; From this, I will learn to keep my nose out of other people's business.
You or Ivan are welcome to call me to talk about this further. Thanks.
Regards,
Scott Crone
----- Original Message -----
From: AB Herps VCI To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Resolution~
Scott,
I just got off the phone with Ivan and he filled me in on your conservation. I want to share these last two emails that was sent to me from John that Ivan has already told you about. Ivan said that you were going to call me later about this so I wanted to give you the opportunity to see for yourself what has transpired. I am going to post this last email from John to my site, which includes your text, and I will include a complete history of how we handled both the sale and the after sale support, including the offer of a full refund, to ship the female back for us to do the surgery, and free consultation with your vet that you expressed concern about due to the lack of their exotic animal experience. I don't know why you chose to say what you did and leave these vital facts out but Dr. Alfonso and myself will get to the bottom of this and take whatever actions are required to fight this slander and malicious intent to cause my business harm. I will be posting the complete email exchange between John and myself on Fauna Classified's BOI as a notice to sellers to beware of John and his dealings. I've already posted each of these emails on my site that can be linked to from the price page. Unfortunately, you're remarks will also be included in this and you will be identified as to the BOI's rules for posting these types of complaints. I have nothing to fear from this kind of exposure because I have nothing to hide and we have done nothing to warrant these kind of attacts. If you care to comment, please feel free to email me as I'd like to include it on my site and on the BOI so that everything is fair to everyone and the truth can be told. Dr. Alfonso and myself have also signed up to join ChamCom to address this topic at their forum if needed.
Ronnie Buck
Now we wait and see what happens. As to Scott's history as a customer, we sold him a pair of Sambava and according to Scott, the female had one or two filarial worms that we did not notice. How can that happen? Dr. Alfonso made a post to Kingsnake's Chameleon Forum tonight describing filarial worms and their life cycle. These facts can be varrified by any practicing veterinarian in the world, so feel free to ask any one of them. It was an honest mistake on our behalf and we made every effort to correct it including a full refund including shipping the animals back to us. We offered to ship the female to us and do the surgery and have Dr. Alfonso directly supervise her recovery and then ship her back after she recovered. Scott refused to do either of those so we offered free veterinary consultation with any vet of his choice to assist in describing the procedure based on Dr. Alfonso's years of panther chameleon experience. Dr. Alfonso and myself both expressed our apologies and made every effort to correct the situation. It's a very simple surgery for any vet to perform and there is absolutely no reason for us NOT to perform this surgery IF we had seen them. The following is Dr. Alfonso's post to Kingsnake, which can be viewed at http://www.kingsnake.com/forum/chameleon/messages/8789.html
Posted by Ivan on June 23, 2002 at 17<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8:24:
Well I decided to write this because of a situation that just seem to have happened. Let me explain first the basics with this parasite. Reptile filarids are in the same family as canine heartworms and they tend to live in the subcutaneous tissues. The situation is that for every worm I have ever removed, there is at least another one, smaller in size with it. Sometimes I have even removed 3 or 4 from the same site. Some of these worms are so small that you don't see the typical "zig-zag" under the skin and they can easily grow later and "show up" out of the blue as the zig-zag we all know. I've had removed filarial worms from the skin and even from the tongue of several of my breeders months after they have been under my care. What this means is that not because you remove all the visible worms the animal is free of them since any tiny one left around in the subcutaneous tissue can grow into a bigger one later on. Ivermectin is the medicine used to treat the filarial larvae in mammals but this drug seems to be highly toxic and sometimes lethal in chameleons.
The reason I am bringing this up is because Ronnie sold a pair of Sambava panther chameleons a few months ago and upon receipt, the customer reported that the female had one filarial worm. The female had no worms while in our possesion yet showed one after being shipped. The person now seems to think that we shipped the animal in that state with full knowledge of this. In the past we even kept a female Ankaramy for about 3 months before shipping her to the owner because she didn't seem to be doing all too well. During the rehab period she developed a "zig-zag" in her throat (which wasn't there initially) and after surgery was done, 2 filarial worms were removed from the site. Both animals are doing great.
If you own or plan to own WC chameleons (especially Madagascar chameleons) examine them routinely since these parasites could show up even when they were not there when you purchased the animal.
Opinions are always welcome,
Ivan Alfonso, DVM
This is where is stands right now and I'm expecting a reply from Scott hopefully sometime tonight or tomorrow. The bottom line of this thread is that John tried to butter me up then offer a lower price than what was advertised. He asked for a simple yes or no reply to his offer which I said no. The emails from that point on are nothing but the ranting tantrums of a person that is off his frigging rocker. I advise any sellers that are contacted by John to RUN like Hell because he's nothing but BAD NEWS!
Ronnie Buck
AB Herps - Australian Beardies
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