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Bad Guy shadira(magicmorphs)

Does it really make sense to keep extending this thread further and further?

As a boi thread no it shouldn't be extended, but this whole topic is a good one to discuss. Maybe it should be put up in the discussion forum about what constitutes a "Bad Guy" thread or not, and "Losing your temper in public..."... :shootfoot
 
And though she was offered a great deal from Shadera, she DID in FACT find a better deal. Maybe not a better price, or who could even say a better animal, but another well respected member of this site who will name herself if she so chooses did come to the op, and offer a deal to the op that was more appealing because they are local.

There is always two sides to the story that very few people will ever see even with so called proof on the boi. Be careful with conclusions.

Thanks for the privacy Dustin! Your an honorable dude and I totally respect you for it.

ok, I didn't want to get into this little mess but here I am. I am the other seller. I saw the wanted post by Elizabeth and posted that I have eggs in the bator. Since we live so close together, I thought if she wanted to take the chance on eggs, she could save some shipping fees. We emailed back and forth and she mentioned she would like to get a male and female. After mentioning the genetic/sibling thing, she chose to wait for a male and find a female elsewhere. No money has changed hands, no guarantees are given. I offered her first pick of the clutch, when and if they make it to a *sellable status. She is free to find snakes elsewhere if she desires. She then reposted her wanted ad in search of a female.

And there you have the 3rd side of the story.


*sellable status= hatched, shed, fed at least 4 times, pooped and without obvious genetic flaws.
 
I wanted to add that I pm'd Shadera after seeing the vague post in Elizabeth's wanted ad. I asked what I was missing and should know. I did not get a response. If I knew what was going on, I could have told Shadera my side of the story and probably diffused the whole misunderstanding via pm without the public mess.
 
Did any of these people accusing me of being a stalker get to see the posts in question on her ads? Don't make me go dig out posts of yours where you've done the exact same thing you're crucifying me for. :NoNo: Before you go taking cheap shots at me, some of y'all need to take a look at your own behavior. Stalker denotes that I followed her from ad to ad to ad, which I did not. And again, I got my whipping for that, you guys think the mods didn't do a good enough job that it needs to continue? What about how the OP mentions she doesn't think she could trust me to send the animal if it was bought from me, but apparently that sort of thing is completely okay to say.

There were three posts on one ad. My first post, telling people she runs sellers around in circles and backs out of deals. After that, it was conversation with her. The only other ad thread I posted in was just to ask why she deleted the other ad. Someone is collecting pictures, making deals and backing out of them, and then on top of it is looking for several grand in animals and asking for them dirt cheap. Had my red flags going, and i was just letting others know. There would NOT have been more posts from me had she not denied what I said, which was nothing but the truth. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm a lot of things. But a liar is not one of them. I am not about to start making up stories now over a newbie.

Elizabeth, it's lie on top of lie at this point. The mods need to go dig up the time that you last edited that ad and compare it to the time on that email where you told me you found a better deal. It was a very short time period for you to have made another deal, then backed out of that one too.

Melinda,
You did not get a response from me because I had no idea who you were. For all I knew, you were someone just wanting me to dish some drama, which I'm not a big fan of doing. Sorry that it offended you somehow. :shrug01: Perhaps if you had explained a bit, rather than just sending:
What did I miss??

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Apparently I missed something going on with Elizabeth Minton. What did I miss or should I know?
You'd have gotten a response.

If this turns people from buying from me, so be it. I couldn't care less. My do not deal with list proves that, and it's been growing by leaps and bounds this last 24 hours. :rofl: This is only a business for me because it has to be. It's a hobby first and foremost. As said before, I'm human as well. And again, we all have our moments - that one thing that makes us snap. For me it's a liar. And the people who know me well, and know that I really value honesty and uphold that same policy for myself, know why.

Now, I think I've covered everything I wanted to say. I'm not even going to give some of these folks the pleasure of my responding to their low blows. Gots better things to do, like take care of my animals.
 
Melinda,
You did not get a response from me because I had no idea who you were. For all I knew, you were someone just wanting me to dish some drama, which I'm not a big fan of doing. Sorry that it offended you somehow.

no offense taken. But if you didn't want to dish drama, why make the post in Elizabeth's wanted ad in the first place? you clearly wanted people to know something or you would not have posted publicly.

Simply put, there were no lies, She did find a deal with me, back out of a deal with you, change the deal with me and then repost her wanted add, all within a short period of time.

Where is the lie upon lie? please spell it out clearly, cause I am just not getting it.
 
Am I missing something? Who crucified you, or took cheap shots? The only thing anybody has said was all the same thing. 1000 words to say one thing. You over reacted.

Other than that everybody has raved about your rep. Why would that detour anybody from doing business with you?
 
Shadera while getting her point across is very much a Proffesional and someone to look up to in this Hobby I am truly sad this thread happened but those of us who have followed you and yours will always know better! I have seen some of the classiest snakes come from her and she is very very Knowlegeable!
 
Melinda - rather than coming back to me, we were still on good terms, she reposted her ad. Be honest, that wouldn't make you feel like you'd been lied to? All this talk of piebalds, when she barely had enough to put a small deposit on an albino? Those are the lies. But apparently she needs to you speak for her. Personally, if someone mentioned to me they had a deal going with someone else and wanted to know if I could offer a better deal to them, I'd flat out tell them no. And if I found out they ditched someone else to pick up a deal from me, I'd tell them no. But hey, I've already mentioned that I expect the same of others that I expect of myself.

At this point it's just degenerating into people wanting to pick fights and sling mud where they can. Some of you guys have obviously been waiting a long time for this thread to show up. It does me no good to continue bickering here. I'll not be picked at for no reason.

If any potential buyer reads what happened and can take the OP seriously, believing that I'm this horrible person, they aren't the kind of folks I prefer to deal with in the first place. Feel free to not inquire when I have stuff up for sale or trade. :thumbsup: Out.
 
Be honest, that wouldn't make you feel like you'd been lied to? All this talk of piebalds, when she barely had enough to put a small deposit on an albino?

It didn't happen to me, so I can't say how I would feel. As for the piebalds, we had no idea what her deal was to obtain them and it wasn't our business to know. Assuming and accusing her of lying about that deal without all the facts is just not right. Do you know for a fact that she has lied about the deal she had with the piebalds? Have you spoken with the seller involved?

And I am not speaking for her, I'm expressing the facts as I know them with a bit of opinion sprinkled in.

I did not know she had a deal with you. I do not ask my buyers what other deals they've got going. Who does?
 
I wasn't going to post here because I didn't see the point in bumping something that should have sunk quietly to the bottom. Since it's not I'm going to throw my 2.5 cents in here.

I fail to see any justification for a bad guy thread here.

It was a forum rule violation, that apparently was dealt with on the appropriate level by the Mods. I thought that the report post button & the Feedback forum were for dealing with things like the op's problem.

With the recent bunch of picture thieving scams I can see why it raised red flags with Shadera. Also, everybody has certain things that set them off, her's is liars. She's made her views on them quite clear before.

And it doesn't matter how you sugar coat it or how "small/minor" it may seem, a lie is a lie.

I have no problem selling to, trading with, buying from or conducting breeding loans with Shadera. Her insistence on absolute honesty does nothing except increase my confidence in dealing with her.

She is a Good Guy in my book.
 
And it doesn't matter how you sugar coat it or how "small/minor" it may seem, a lie is a lie.

Totally understand. I also value honesty.

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly the lie's were. Shadera felt she had been lied to about Elizabeth making another deal. I came forward to prove that was not a lie. Shadera claims Elizabeth lied about the piebald deal. No facts, no proof to back it, just an accusation and assumption made by Shadera based on the fact that Elizabeth did not have much money for the deposit on Shadera's albino. We have no idea what the piebald deal was, so how can anyone say Elizabeth lied about it.

What lies have been proven?

Things could have definitely been handled better, but we are all human and make mistakes.
 
Shadera, one positive regarding this BOI thread as well... Thank god the OP could not fiugure out how to properly spell your name as well as your business name

If it's spelled correctly anywhere in the thread, it'll draw a hit if searched and highlight them all red.

I didn't see that the issue was worthy of a BOI thread, therefore I didn't start one. Pity not everyone can be as mature.

I like you, but get real. Is posting snipes in her ads really any more mature?

Like no one here telling me I was wrong for posting on her ad has never done the same thing. We've ALL done it. Like I said, I got my lump on the back of the head for it and I deserved it, can we let that go?

Nope, not all of us. I've posted in ads, yes. Was I rough sometimes. Probably so. But not EVER was it because someone backed out of a deal, or lied about a deal they didn't follow through with. I simply put them into a folder and forget them.


well actually im 18 so im an adult.

Really? By law perhaps, but I would have figured an adult to not waste space on the BOI with a thread that is essentially retaliation. An adult would have first tried to find out what the problem was behind closed doors. :yesnod:
 
Really? By law perhaps, but I would have figured an adult to not waste space on the BOI with a thread that is essentially retaliation. An adult would have first tried to find out what the problem was behind closed doors.

What he's saying Elizabeth is that a good business practice would be to use the private message feature on this site before resorting to the BOI.

This isn't at all a shot at anybody, but it's always a good idea to at least try to resolve a problem in private before airing it in public view. Everybody is going to be able to search this thread for years to come, and make business decisions based on what they read. This could effect the person who utilized the BOI in an unfitting manor by making potential customers question their maturity, and honesty. Also it can effect the sellers future business because some people just search a name, and see a bad guy thread with out reading the details. From that they automatically assume that this person will rip them off when in reality Shadera isn't at all likely to rip anybody off. She can just obviously get REALLY cranky some times... ( not a shot at you Shad, just a joke :) )
 
to everyone mainly shadera

i am deeply sorry for my unadult like actions in posting this thread. i let my anger out weigh my logic and it is uncalled for. i ask for shadera`s forgiveness and all of yours. she did act badly by posting on my ads instead of a forum or pming me, but by far i acted the worst and im sorry. i shall act more like an adult than a child... i have learned a new lesson today. dont jump the gun you could get shot. again i am sorry and i deeply regret my actions
Elizabeth minton
 
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