Shannon Brown Inquiry PLEASE READ!!!

[Dixie Reptiles]

I dont have a problem with you buying from him ,just dont give him a good guy post because he is still garbage.Terry

 

[brodie691]

Shannon is a thief and a liar, I wouldn't send my money to him if he was the last herper on earth. Just do a search for his name on the BOI and you'll see the tip of the iceburg. "SplitBrain" has a LOT of people that he has screwed and one of these days it will catch up with him.

Kelli however i know that you are a good person from what i have read here, you not sending him (or anyone) money that you have made an agreement with (unless they are known to take someones money and not send the items) would not be a woman of your word. I would not be a man of mine had i not completed the deal.
i could not just walk away from this, and leave him in the dark.
that would have made me a liar, and would i have been any better than you claim him to be? NO! Maybe it in some of you members eyes would not have made a difference if i backed out on him as you see him as nothing but bad, but it still would have made me no less of a liar in the whole grand scheme of things.
I have reiterated this to the point of redundancy, but had i not gone through on my word i would have been another deadbeat whom cannot keep his promises.
Like i said before had i known this things might have been different, but it was too late to back out, and even Shannon e:mailed me late last night and asked me if i wanted to do so. I told him no, as that would not have been very businessman like for me to have done so. I did tell him that he should take this money and use it to pay someone that he owes. I have done the only part i can play in this. I cannot physically make him pay anyone that money, i can only hope he does the right thing so as to clear some of this up.
If he does me right on this deal i shall post accordingly, if he does me wrong, then ditto.
Me doing business with him does NOT make me and my practices subject to that of his own.
I am an honest and fair business man, and as for me and my character, that is in good standing.
i do understand many of you that do not agree with sending him your money, nut you weren't the ones that were caught up in this error in character judgement, i am.
i will not assassinate his character or try in any way to tarnish his name unless it is somehow merrited by the deal at hand, and so far that has not been the case.
As for the unfinished business he has with some of you out there, all i can say is good luck and i hope he does the RIGHT thing in making this whole.
does this mean that i am in his corner? no, it means that i must stay a neutral part in this whole fiasco.
As it says in the Bible, love the sinner, but hate the sin, and this is the ground i as a Christian must stand on.

matthew watkins

 

[brodie691]

I dont have a problem with you buying from him ,just dont give him a good guy post because he is still garbage.Terry

i don't think that i could rightly give him a good guy post with the conviction i feel in this, but if it is a good/smoothe transaction between he and i, i must keep my word and at least give him that much credit in posting that it went well between us despite his other current affairs.
if it does not go well and the deal ends up going south, then i shall post the wrongdoing, but thus far everything has seemed on the up and up as far as our previous arrangements are concerned.


matthew watkins

 

[Otter_23]

In light of new information you always have the option to back out, this does not make you less of a man of your word. From an outsiders point of view it seems that you are determined to buy these snakes which is fine but in light of what others are saying don't look for sympathy if he doesn't follow his end of the deal. I am just not sure why you posted this thread if you have already decided what you were going to do.

 

[Otter_23]

I guess if you knew the information before and started the deal and then backed out it would make you a liar but if this is new info that you found out during the deal in my opinion it doesn't make you a liar it makes you a well informed consumer that is protecting yourself.
I guess I'm not sure which you want to be someone who is informed and still goes through with a transaction you don't feel totally comfortable with (that doesn't seem to smart) but a man of his word to someone who doesn't keep their word or
A person who did some more research and decided the risks don't outweigh the result and you had a change of mind based on the new information.

 

[brodie691]

let me state one thing about this transaction. the items i purchased from him are not rare items, and this is NOT why i went through with the transaction. They are simply nothing more than brooks kings, no rare morph or high end project. i could have bought them from anyone, it's just i did not feel completely comfortable backing out on him after i had already asked him to hold them for me. after the approval of some and advice i decided I'd better not back out. i felt compelled to keep my end of the bargain, and that is exactly what i did.

matthew watkins

 

[Dixie Reptiles]

Shannon still owes Rodney for a deal over two years ago and then puts up big bucks to buy a honduran from a dealer in FL.I guess I should send money to Bin-laden cause he never done me wrong.

 

[Dixie Reptiles]

Shannon,how do you sleep at night knowing you caused hardship to someone that trusted you.We are jerks !!!!! because ?????????

 

[brodie691]

Shannon still owes Rodney for a deal over two years ago and then puts up big bucks to buy a honduran from a dealer in FL.I guess I should send money to Bin-laden cause he never done me wrong.

i don't see it in that light terry and you know that.
i do feel for Rodney, even though i do not personally know him (at least i don't think as i do meet many people at your shows), but i had already made a deal with Shannon beforehand.
I too have been taken to the cleaners several times by someone you and i both know that is not allowed to do your shows anymore. so i know what it's like to be owed something and then never re-payed. No it's not money they owe me, but animals that were promised well over a year ago, and never delivered. this same person i speak of terry e:mailed me recently to sell me some boas, to think he would have the audacity knowing that he still has in his hands 3 to 4 animals owed to me. i DO NOT believe in ripping people off nor supporting those that do.

once i found out the things that Shannon had done i talked it over with my girlfriend as to what i should do, i was in limbo so to speak.
She gave me two choices, either:

A. do the deal with Shannon and never let anyone know that i had sent him money in hopes that it would keep my name clear (a hypothetical option)
or
B. Come here and air it out to see what should be done in light of all the previous posts about him

i chose to come here and see what it is i should have done in order to not make things bad on myself in the future. i was not comfortable at first because i was not sure of the outcome. i am still not completely sure of the outcome, but i was given some advice to go through with the deal as i had given my word to him before the knowledge i have gained as of late.
No i would not rightly (if known beforehand) send anyone money that has duped others, as i do not support liars and thieves........... but... this was all new to me after i had committed.
i am sorry it offends so many members but what can i do now?
it's not like i HAD TO HAVE these snakes as they were just normal brooks IMO. it was the fact that i had given him my word previously and was advised to go through with it. will i ever do business with Shannon again? no, not until his debt and all things are cleared.
i do not conduct business in this manner nor would i ever.

matthew watkins

 

[brodie691]

In light of new information you always have the option to back out, this does not make you less of a man of your word. From an outsiders point of view it seems that you are determined to buy these snakes which is fine but in light of what others are saying don't look for sympathy if he doesn't follow his end of the deal. I am just not sure why you posted this thread if you have already decided what you were going to do.

Man it is always so funny how things get turned around on someone trying to do the right thing in the BOI.
I was told by several that he would not just take my money and send me nothing.
i was also told that if i had previously committed to the deal to follow through with it.
my mind had not been made up before i posted this, other than giving him my word... does anyone ever read???
I went through with the deal because it was something i felt obligated to do in giving my word. It's that simple cut and dry, no ulterior motives. I will state again that these were not rare snakes, and i could have basically got them from anyone selling brooks. I own several RARE snakes in my collection, and the price (wasn't just too good to be true). it was the fact that i had given him my word.
after i was alerted in an e:mail by Shannon that some things might be a bit array i decided to read up on him myself, and then post this thread to see what others might do in this situation.
i had promised him that i would send payment on Monday, i posted this thread on Saturday night i believe it was, and was told to make good on my promise to Shannon, and i took that advice.
Sorry man, but had he been known for people sending him money and never receiving their items i would not have sent my money to him, but it is as far as i know, not completely that type of case. he owes some people money, and maybe he will do the right thing and send them the money i have spent with him.
not asking for your sympathy if it goes wrong as i will take it as lesson learned. I did it because i am a man of integrity, and i keep my word to someone i have promised to do so with.

matthew watkins

 

[brodie691]

I guess if you knew the information before and started the deal and then backed out it would make you a liar but if this is new info that you found out during the deal in my opinion it doesn't make you a liar it makes you a well informed consumer that is protecting yourself.
I guess I'm not sure which you want to be someone who is informed and still goes through with a transaction you don't feel totally comfortable with (that doesn't seem to smart) but a man of his word to someone who doesn't keep their word or
A person who did some more research and decided the risks don't outweigh the result and you had a change of mind based on the new information.[/QUOTE

i do totally see your point here, but when i posted this thread, i was not sure how people would take me backing out on him and not keeping my word.
i do all i can to not have a BAD GUY thread here on the BOI because i know how it could possibly hurt ones business and reputation.
I went through with this deal to basically keep my own name in good standing as someone whom does not "flake out" on a deal. No, it does not seem the smartest thing to do in hindsight, but i am just seriously trying to do the right thing, whatever that may intail.

matthew watkins

 

[Otter_23]

Don't get me wrong, I am not calling you a bad guy at all. My point is no one would think badly of you if you decided to not follow through on the deal after reading what he has done to others, and that integrity doesn't matter much when you are dealing with someone that has none. I do hope it works out fine for you.

 

[Dixie Reptiles]

If you had backed out on shannon and he knew why, it would have sent him a strong message.I dont think anyone here would have questioned your integrity.

 

[brodie691]

If you had backed out on shannon and he knew why, it would have sent him a strong message.I dont think anyone here would have questioned your integrity.

you see though terry, i was worried that they would have, and that i would have been considered another "flake". basically someone whom makes promises that he can't keep, and i was determined to not be labeled as one of those people a long time ago.

matthew watkins

 

[brodie691]

Don't get me wrong, I am not calling you a bad guy at all. My point is no one would think badly of you if you decided to not follow through on the deal after reading what he has done to others, and that integrity doesn't matter much when you are dealing with someone that has none. I do hope it works out fine for you.

well i thank you mark, and i hope it works out fine for me too, but most of all i hope it works out even better for those he owes alot of money to.
the money i spent with him is merely a drop in the bucket compared to what he owes others i am told.

now i had told him that i would leave him a good guy post if everything goes well, even as early as this morning (just waking up), but must retract that statement.
i will leave him a thread that we had a good transaction if all goes well, but knowing what i know it would be kind of hard to say "hey he's great, spend your money with him"...
if he treats me well in this, i cannot say that i do not appreciate it, but it is the others i hope he treats well even moreso as they have been taken for a great deal of money it seems.
i honestly think he will do right by them (at some point in time), but i cannot forsee, nor forcast when that time may be.
if i am wrong and he does not do well by those he has money's owed to, then by all means it can be one of those "i told you so" situations, and i will humbly swallow it down.
in my opinion he just does not seem to do the right thing by what we would consider a reasonable timeframe. i do not think however he will just leave them hanging forever, or at least i hope not, if he is wanting to stay in this business and attract future buyers.

matthew watkins

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I say follow your gut. If you feel an obligation to fulfill your word, and that will eat at you if you didn't, than go for it. On the other hand, if your uneasiness is strong enough, than perhaps you shouldn't.

I know one thing. You shouldn't worry what others "might think". As long as you are doing what you think is right. Some of the more trustworthy people in this hobby could give a hoot about peoples opinions of them. As long as you are honest, it will show.

My 2¢

 

[Dennis Hultman]

If you had backed out on shannon and he knew why, it would have sent him a strong message.I dont think anyone here would have questioned your integrity.

I would have to agree.

Matthew, all I can do is give you my opinion and since you have already sent the funds it really doesn't help that much.

My understanding after reading this thread
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79115&page=4&pp=40

is that he still owes Rodney $1500. If this is correct and I believe it is, I wouldn't have sent the funds.

If I had thought Shannon might want to make the situation right I might have offered something creative like sending Rodney the funds.

All we really have is the support of each other. Rarely do we have any legal recourse that produces results for us. I take my word seriously as well but have no problem stating that I would not have honored this deal.

You did what you thought was correct and I don't think you should be hung for it but it's my opinion that you could have made a different stand and it would be the honorable thing to do. I would have had no problem supporting the position of deciding against the deal.

 

[Dixie Reptiles]

I can see your point,just dont help shannon out after your deal if you are satisfied.
I will give you some insight on Rodney,s deal.He sold shannon some snakes and was paid in full,then after Shannon built his confidence he asked for $2000 worth of animals and promised to pay for them and did not. It,s been over two years and to make matters worse shannon sold the snakes he got from Rodney and kept the money.Just want you to know this guy is a crook.

 

[rodneyj]

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU-Terry,Kelli,John,Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU RICH FOR THIS AWESOME WEBSITE AND THE OPPORTUNITY IT PROVIDES!!!!!!

I was not aware that telling the truth qualified you to be a "jerk".

Shannon,I will NEVER stop posting on this forum until you pay me in full.

You bought hondurans from John Lambert while owing many others money.He would only sell them to you if you paid in full up front-smart man that John.

You bought an Extreme Ghost from a Florida breeder and paid over 1000.00 dollars for it.It was lost in transit and died.You could have paid me off with that money before you bought it and after it was refunded to you-you did not.

You are being a silly purple poo poo head for not paying up! You know I want my money splitbrain crotch stain.Then you go out and buy more snakes????

Too bad so very sad kingsnake allows you the medium to fester in!
Too bad all the others like myself won't speak up.

Too bad I trusted YOU!!!!!!!!!!!


MERRY CHRISTMAS SHANNON !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[xrayeric1993]

I can't believe I felt bad for posting on the BOI

Many of you may have read my post about shannon that I posted a couple of years ago. I really felt bad for posting because my feeling at that time was Shannon was a good guy. However, after many emails and phone calls with out a response from Shannon, I felt that he owed me the money (over $1000) and my ill feelings about posting quickly subsided. I kept my posts straight forward and only posted the facts, not my feelings about the situation. Man am I glad I posted! This finally got Shannon's attention only after I issued him a warning: pay or I will involve paypal and the Government. I had paid half with paypal and half with a Federal money order which made my reimbursement a forgone conclusion. I would strongly recommend to everyone purchasing any item from any individual to use paypal or a Postal money oder. Both methods assure piece of mind. On a side note Shannon's absence from this forum to defend his actions (which have no defense) is suspect. I would certainly defend myself. In conclusion, Shannon has demonstrated on numerous occasions his business ethics and I would not purchase a $10 cornsnake from him. I suggest that you follow my lead.