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Bad Guy Shawn at Extreme Dragons

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About a month ago I inquired about a hypo het trans female leatherback that Shawn was selling. He had told me that it was sold but he had another female with the same genetics that was a hold back. We negotiated a price of $270 for her, she looked awesome in the pictures so I was willing to spend a lot to get her. The ad was momentarily posted on fauna (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239691) and then almost immediately marked as sold because I purchased her soon after she was posted.

After a few shipping issues (not Shawn's fault at all, they were due to a tornado in Illinois) I finally received her. I brought her to my school (I'm a teacher) and was showing her to my students. When I was asked how to tell the difference between male and female dragons, I used the dragon as an example and saw that she was actually a he! It was clearly a male dragon. I contacted Shawn about this because I already had 2 male dragons and did not need a third. He told me that it was definitely a female. The dragon was too beautiful to return so even though I didn't need a male dragon, I decided to keep him. Then I checked the mass of the dragon. I was told it was 135 grams when I purchased it, but when I weighed him, he was 90 grams. Needless to say, I thought I was sent a different dragon than what I had purchased.

As I said, Shawn assured me that it was a female and that it was the correct dragon but it is clearly a male, no doubt about it. Today I checked his breeders/upcoming breeders on Extreme Dragons Website (http://extremedragons.weebly.com/breedersupcoming-breeders.html) and there is a picture of the female he supposedly sold me! Now unless he hasn't updated his website in over a month, there is something shady going on. I know that there is nothing that can be done at this point and I don't expect him to do anything to rectify the issue but I don't wanna see anyone else get taken advantage of so I'm just letting people know my experience with Shawn. He definitely produces some great looking dragons but I feel like I got scammed a little bit.
 
Not that I'm questioning what you're saying, but do you have pictures of the dragon in question? Also if u have any EMails as well...does Shawn know about this thread?
 
Pictures and Emails

The pictures are in the fauna ad that I included in my original post (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=239691). As far as emails go, I have a few:

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: New Form Entry: Contact Form
Date: April 19, 2011 12:26:48 PM EDT
To: [email protected]

First pic her cooled down second pic kinda fired up
I couldn't take 250 shipped for her i would i would take 300 shipped she is 135 grams thanks.


We had some text conversations to agree on a price of $270 shipped and when I received the dragon I emailed him about the sex of the dragon.

From: [email protected]
Subject: Dragon
Date: May 3, 2011 9:14:28 PM EDT
To: [email protected]

Hi Shawn,
A few things about the dragon. Today i received a scale I ordered and weighed the dragon you sent me. In your email you stated it was 135 grams, and the weight today was 90 grams. A little odd considering I have been feeding 10-15 dubia a day in addition to greens. Also, this dragon is clearly a male. I didn't think to check till today when one of my students wanted to see how I tell the difference between males and females. The hemipenes are clearly defined on him. I mean, he is absolutely amazing. He eats like a champ, his color is great as well as his temperament but a 90 gram hypo het trans leather back male for $270 is really high. A 135 gram female is worth that much but a much smaller male should have been less. Are you sure I was sent the correct dragon because I feel like there was a mix up? This dragon is just much different from the pictures and the description.
-Louis


He then emailed me back.

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dragon
Date: May 4, 2011 8:30:05 AM EDT
To: [email protected]

it is not a male its a female and the scale she is weighing with the rest of her sisters and brothers i didnt have any males thats size at 130 grams are you just not happy with her ?


Then I sent him another email and that was the end of our conversation.

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dragon
Date: May 4, 2011 9:24:40 AM EDT
To: [email protected]

"I couldn't take 25Proxy-Connection: keep-alive
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shipped for her i would i would take 300 shipped she is 135 grams thanks"

Thats what you sent me. I love the dragon, but it's not what you told me it was. It's definitely a male, if you want I'll send you a pic of the vent area but that's not even the issue. If you're going to ask such a high price, the buyer should get what was advertised and not something different. I am not unhappy with him in any way, shape, or form, I just feel I was over charged.



As stated in my original post, that dragon that was supposedly sold to me is currently in his breeders/future breeders section of his site (http://extremedragons.weebly.com/bre...-breeders.html).

I don't know if he knows about this post.
 
Sorry for the double post. It will be a good idea to also get pics showing the dragon is a male and maybe a pic of him on the scale showing the weight.

You need to inform him of this thread.
 
Pics of weight

I do not have pics of his weight at 90 grams. That was about one month ago. I can get pics showing that he is a male on Monday. I'm bringing this up here because Shawn did not respond to my last email. When I saw the dragon that he said he sold me as one of his future breeders I was not happy and felt it had to be brought up on the BOI.
 
its really hard to miss sex a dragon that big honestly if you into dragons and know what to look for so eather this guy didnt know what he was doing or just didnt care what he sent out.
 
Well, let's wait until Monday for the pics that shows the dragon is a male. It's all speculation until then.
 
Pics of the Dragon

Here are pics of the body and of the vent area.
 

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The hemipenal bulges on both sides of the tail (above the vent) indicate that this dragon is a male.

Some dragons are difficult to sex, but this dragons gender is easy to detect.
 
Here are the two dragons from above to compare.

The back pattern does not look the same to me. What do you guys think?
 

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I went ahead and emailed him. I would like to point out that in the referenced ad in the first post he is Shawn Seay of Extremedragonz, the spelling is slightly different in the thread heading but I wanted to add in the spelling in the ad, so if anyone does a search they will pull up this thread.
 
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