Bad Guy Shawn Carter/Bridgedragons.com

[Gary O]

Are you serious??I do not want to participate here bud.This site is destroying my business.Why do you think I contacted you personally to remove my account?I just thought you would have been more professional.Not go and post a personal e-mail along with a personal e-mail address.Note: That also received criticism. I mean seriously who does that man? People use the webmaster as a last resort.They come to them knowing they are the "Professional" that created the website.I never threatened you personally over legal action.I just said I'm looking to see if it is legal to slander someones name. It is not because it is Defamation Of A Business.I understand you can have a forum for people to see who conducts good and bad business.You should just have a rating system or something because it's to easy for people to come on here and say whatever they want.Not for people to completely ruin someones business over false accusations and opinions.How would you feel if fauna was all over the internet as the worst site for sales and everyone was completely destroying your name? It wouldn't feel to good would it?So think about how I feel knowing I do not conduct bad business and I dedicate myself to what I do just to have it destroyed on here over OPINIONS.I came to you for help not for you to humiliate me on your website.

I run a forum also and have been around for over 6 years let me fill you in on a few things.

1) deleting your account will not get rid of this thread it will still be here.

2) You can not slander a person on a forum. Slander is spoken not written.

3) Deleting your account will make it look worse on you. Just deal with Ed make your customer happy and everything will work out. Instead of fighting with everyone make the customer happy.

4) I am damn sure Rich(webslave) has had this site attacked and himself attacked many many times for stuff that he has not even done. I have seen Rich attacked I bet he has seen had people threaten to harm him. Rich does not dig the holes. Rich does not ause the issues. All rich does is give a place for people to talk about issues. I have seen people get threads posted about them being bad that turned out very well for both parties. It is how you react to the situation not how much you can fight.


Best thing for you to do is work with Ed to make him happy then take some advice and ship jut a bit better. It hurts hearing you are not doing it right but take this chance to make it right.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

Yes, I am serious. If you don't want to participate here, then leave. No one is twisting your arm to be here.

Yeah, it is easy for people to say what they want here. I guess not everyone really cares for freedom and would prefer to participate in a more tightly controlled environment where freedom is much more strictly controlled. I'm sure websites hosted in Communist China are probably much like that. Point of the matter is that people WILL make decisions based on their opinions, which is why those opinions are allowed to be freely expressed here. Everyone's business practices as well as other pertinent criteria are subject to scrutiny and the opinions that develop based on what they see. You can either be on the right side of those opinions, or the wrong side. That choice is completely up to you. People will also be using your reaction to such opinions to influence their own opinions concerning future dealings with you. Unfortunately, I also afford people the freedom to squander a potential opportunity to make themselves look golden by taking the high road, but they miss that turn and blunder onto the low road instead. Again, that choice has been, and is, completely up to you. And no, I will not cover up that chosen path after the fact for you.

You came to me for help? Well if you consider DEMANDS and threads of legal action as being requests for help, then maybe that would certainly be true.

My first e-mail to you was asking you to remove my account.The second was where I said it needs to be removed obviously because you completely ignored my first e-mail where I simply asked but responded so quickly to the second one where you didn't like what I wrote.People make jokes on these forums they do not give opinions like adults.Look through here and see all the jokes made.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

My first e-mail to you was asking you to remove my account.The second was where I said it needs to be removed obviously because you completely ignored my first e-mail where I simply asked but responded so quickly to the second one where you didn't like what I wrote.People make jokes on these forums they do not give opinions like adults.Look through here and see all the jokes made.

You posted a personal e-mail that wasn't cool at all.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

If you don't want to participate on Fauna why do you keep logging on and posting to the thread? Just don't log on anymore and then you won't have to worry about what is being said on here. The BOI is a place for other herpers to know about others experiences with an individual or business in the industry. The way I see it is if you changed you packaging and used boxes with styrofoam and heat packs or ice packs depending on the conditions this issue would be resolved. To keep arguing and throwing out threats is what will make you a bad guy and make others not want to do business with you in the future. And if you go and read other threads in the BOI you will see as soon as someone gets a bad guy thread they are wanting their account deleted thinking that will make the bad guy thread go away. I would suggest using proper packaging and maybe this thread will be forgotten after you have some good guy posts under your name showing that the shipping was proper and that everything arrived in healthy and great condition. These are my 2 cents on the subject.

Jeff

If you read the whole forum I offered plenty apologies and assurances to better my shipping.The thing was I knew nothing about the situation except for a minor email that said why did I ship like that then I come across this forum a month later with false accusations.The animal was a little chilled but fine.It was made as if I cared nothing for the animal or the issue in which I did completely.I just made a bad judgment call on not insulating.I did heat pack and I do insulate my boxes even before this happened.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

This site is not ruining your business. Your poor shipping practices and incredibly immature behavior are ruining your business. You should be grateful that you have the opportunity to respond to any criticisms on this site in an effort to rectify your errors. If you had responded to Ed's original posts with an apology and sincere promise that future shipments will be done properly, everyone would see you're a good guy and that would be that. Instead, you responded like a petulant child that refuses to admit when he's wrong even when faced with a mountain of evidence. All this thread has done is just allowed yourself to show your true colors, the colors of an immature, whiny, arrogant, and deceitful child.

Admit your mistakes, and learn to treat people with respect. Or you can continue to make an ass of yourself, make a joke out of your business and continue to drive it into the ground.

Nobody is whining about anything or acting immature.I am one of the only people on here responding like an adult amongst the many people on here cracking jokes about a serious situation.I responded to the situation in an outrage because of the way it was made out to be.No one on here is obviously reading the whole forum.They just read what the want to reply off of.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

I run a forum also and have been around for over 6 years let me fill you in on a few things.

1) deleting your account will not get rid of this thread it will still be here.

2) You can not slander a person on a forum. Slander is spoken not written.

3) Deleting your account will make it look worse on you. Just deal with Ed make your customer happy and everything will work out. Instead of fighting with everyone make the customer happy.

4) I am damn sure Rich(webslave) has had this site attacked and himself attacked many many times for stuff that he has not even done. I have seen Rich attacked I bet he has seen had people threaten to harm him. Rich does not dig the holes. Rich does not ause the issues. All rich does is give a place for people to talk about issues. I have seen people get threads posted about them being bad that turned out very well for both parties. It is how you react to the situation not how much you can fight.


Best thing for you to do is work with Ed to make him happy then take some advice and ship jut a bit better. It hurts hearing you are not doing it right but take this chance to make it right.

I am not fighting with anyone.I am simply defending myself over peoples false accusations.They only read what they want to read.They don't know me nor have they ever done business with me.They are just going off of the original post and thinking they know every aspect of the situation.People don't like to be happy and resolve the issue.If you read this forum and plenty other forums you will see they only love to create drama and add fuel to the fire.

 

[jayefbe]

Nobody is whining about anything or acting immature.I am one of the only people on here responding like an adult amongst the many people on here cracking jokes about a serious situation.I responded to the situation in an outrage because of the way it was made out to be.No one on here is obviously reading the whole forum.They just read what the want to reply off of.

You are acting incredibly immature. Maybe you should re-read your own posts.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

If you don't want to participate on Fauna why do you keep logging on and posting to the thread? Just don't log on anymore and then you won't have to worry about what is being said on here. The BOI is a place for other herpers to know about others experiences with an individual or business in the industry. The way I see it is if you changed you packaging and used boxes with styrofoam and heat packs or ice packs depending on the conditions this issue would be resolved. To keep arguing and throwing out threats is what will make you a bad guy and make others not want to do business with you in the future. And if you go and read other threads in the BOI you will see as soon as someone gets a bad guy thread they are wanting their account deleted thinking that will make the bad guy thread go away. I would suggest using proper packaging and maybe this thread will be forgotten after you have some good guy posts under your name showing that the shipping was proper and that everything arrived in healthy and great condition. These are my 2 cents on the subject.

Jeff

That's the thing I do package properly just in this situation I didn't insulate.I made a bad call.I decided not to because the days I shipped were warm and I was afraid of burning the animal up.The animal was simply just a little cool due to shipping but was perfectly fine and still is.I keep responding because I'm not going to run from the situation at all.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

You are acting incredibly immature. Maybe you should re-read your own posts.

I agree some of my first posts might have been somewhat immature but more less just an outburst of emotion due to being furious about the situation.I'm not a bad person and honestly that's all I want to prove.I accept my mistake I just don't want to be crucified for one mistake I made.It's not like this is how I ship.It was just one time I made the wrong decision about not insulating.No one is in my shoes right now to judge me.It's easy for people to say do this and I shouldn't do that but your not on my side of the fence.I'm over here and everyone else is over there.No ones is seeing my side of the story.The only people responding are the ones that want to attack me.I'm in a pool of sharks right now and do not deserve to be.

 

[gant77]

I wonder if this is where he got his alias from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-z

I was thinking the same thing. Didn't think anyone else would think that!

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

I was thinking the same thing. Didn't think anyone else would think that!

You see what I mean about how people are so petty all they can do is joke about a serious situation??Yeah that's exactly it.I took my name from a rapper Jay-Z.You caught me.

 

[Jink122]

I'm sorry if i offend anyone, but I find this post to be rather amusing. It's simple facts.

1. The package being poor can be subjective even if it leans a closer to being poor, but at least he had a heat pack in there. (I do understand that the insulated liner adds to security as i ship all my reptiles in them)

2. The dragon made it fine, at least he put it in tupperware and not just roaming around in there as i've seen a few times.

3. The seller OFFERED to refund the money, Buyer was somewhat satisfied with his purchase because he decided to keep it.

Seller extended olive branch, saying hey, sorry you were not satisfied i'll give you your money back if you want it. Buyer said no, end of transaction. Now the seller due to this forum post knows that some buyers are very stringent on their packages and i am sure he will ensure future shipments not run into this mess.

I believe there is no need for name calling and I think giving him a bad guy mark was a bit harsh but thats just my opinion. I feel bad guy forums are reserved for those who sell sick animals, mite infested, wounded, those who refuse to refund, or scammers (or something very very serious). I believe its for those whom our community of herp fans should truly avoid dealing with and used as a way to warn us from making a mistake.

In any case, good luck to both parties, Shawn, tough luck, you just ran into someone who holds very high values and standards for his reptiles, its a good trait, shows they love the reptiles that they own, but hard for the sellers.

After reading this forum, i would still purchase from you Shawn, I'd just make sure to detail that I would want a liner in my packages being sent. I'm sure it will not damage u too much in business and if it does, it's probably because of the economy. I'm sure the Web Masters here found this fair therefore did not touch it.

Again, good luck.


-Jin Young Kim
TheBoaPit

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

I'm sorry if i offend anyone, but I find this post to be rather amusing. It's simple facts.

1. The package being poor can be subjective even if it leans a closer to being poor, but at least he had a heat pack in there. (I do understand that the insulated liner adds to security as i ship all my reptiles in them)

2. The dragon made it fine, at least he put it in tupperware and not just roaming around in there as i've seen a few times.

3. The seller OFFERED to refund the money, Buyer was somewhat satisfied with his purchase because he decided to keep it.

Seller extended olive branch, saying hey, sorry you were not satisfied i'll give you your money back if you want it. Buyer said no, end of transaction. Now the seller due to this forum post knows that some buyers are very stringent on their packages and i am sure he will ensure future shipments not run into this mess.

I believe there is no need for name calling and I think giving him a bad guy mark was a bit harsh but thats just my opinion. I feel bad guy forums are reserved for those who sell sick animals, mite infested, wounded, those who refuse to refund, or scammers (or something very very serious). I believe its for those whom our community of herp fans should truly avoid dealing with and used as a way to warn us from making a mistake.

In any case, good luck to both parties, Shawn, tough luck, you just ran into someone who holds very high values and standards for his reptiles, its a good trait, shows they love the reptiles that they own, but hard for the sellers.

After reading this forum, i would still purchase from you Shawn, I'd just make sure to detail that I would want a liner in my packages being sent. I'm sure it will not damage u too much in business and if it does, it's probably because of the economy. I'm sure the Web Masters here found this fair therefore did not touch it.

Again, good luck.


-Jin Young Kim
TheBoaPit

Wow you are by far the light at the end of the tunnel.I greatly appreciate your post.Finally, a mature adult response.I can guarantee that you actually read the whole forum before posting that to.The world needs A LOT more people like you. You understand the whole situation and where both sides are coming from. I extend my hand to you.You obviously see the way people act in these forums.Every one just simply wanted to throw their attacks at me instead of really knowing what was going on and giving a mature opinion.Also you see how many immature people made jokes and thought this situation was so funny.You are right I did learn from this situation and will definitely INSULATE every package from here on out.Thank You An Infinite Amount Of Times!

 

[AvandisFifth187]

One of my rants...

You humor me you low breed of human

Disrespectful...

Third, most people who see this thread will not make a decision based on your method of shipping in this one particular case, but rather how you conduct yourself in response. Right or wrong, humility goes a long way here.

I completely agree, Nemo.

Since when is 60 degrees a heatwave that would preclude one from using insulated boxes when shipping

If the animals is used to basking in 120 degree temps, even with a heat pack (improperly placed I shoul add), insulation should have been used. If it is a hot summer, I understand, but I agree with moore on this one. Insulation should be used. We are still in winter.

If you do not receive a complaint then how are you going to know your doing something wrong??

This is something I also agree with. Perhaps Ed jumped the gun a little bit here. If you run a business, feedback, whether good or bad, is always helpful.

My apologies to the people who feel I did something wrong along with my apology to Ed.It was one mistake on my part

Truly mature and respectful.

You people have no life do you? Sounds like it by the way your wife still plays with dolls.

HUGE lapse in maturity.

These children are posting my personal information.

I'm pretty sure it's allowed, just as long as its not something like a credit card number, social security, etc.... correct me if I'm wrong.

You made this post without me even knowing about it.

I don't think people have to tell you when they make a post about you.

I have only been doing this for a short time compared to most but every dragon I received was the similar to the way I ship so that's what I had to go on.

I'd suggest you be a little more strict with the companies you order from when it comes to their packaging. I do feel sorry for you that this is what you had to go on.

I did not know this site was ran buy a 10 year old.

Another lapse in maturity.

He ignores my request to remove my account.He is enslaving my to his website to be publicly humiliated by even himself/herself personally.

He is not forcing you to keep logging in and posting. This is completely your choice.

You posted a personal e-mail that wasn't cool at all.

Not against the rules.

They don't know me nor have they ever done business with me.

Nor do I. You seem like an OK guy and I might consider doing business with you in the future, so long as you up your standards of packing, which you have already promised to do.

I agree some of my first posts might have been somewhat immature but more less just an outburst of emotion due to being furious about the situation.

This is something you have to learn to control when dealing professionally in the herp world, let alone any business. People will definately look at how you conduct yourself when issue arrises when deciding whether or not to do business with you.

All around, I also agree that a bad guy post was a bit harsh. Maybe an info post would have been better. You should up your standards of packaging when you ship animals, which you have already promised to do, which is very commendable. If you are interested in finding better ways to pack, post a thread on Fauna asking people for advice. There are MANY MANY people on here that are very professional, helpful, and more than willing to give some advice. Thanks for being mature through most of this thread though... I've been cuaght up in the DTS Herps thread and Dan Scolero is just.... well... highly unprofessional at best.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

Disrespectful...


I completely agree, Nemo.


If the animals is used to basking in 120 degree temps, even with a heat pack (improperly placed I shoul add), insulation should have been used. If it is a hot summer, I understand, but I agree with moore on this one. Insulation should be used. We are still in winter.



This is something I also agree with. Perhaps Ed jumped the gun a little bit here. If you run a business, feedback, whether good or bad, is always helpful.


Truly mature and respectful.


HUGE lapse in maturity.


I'm pretty sure it's allowed, just as long as its not something like a credit card number, social security, etc.... correct me if I'm wrong.


I don't think people have to tell you when they make a post about you.


I'd suggest you be a little more strict with the companies you order from when it comes to their packaging. I do feel sorry for you that this is what you had to go on.


Another lapse in maturity.


He is not forcing you to keep logging in and posting. This is completely your choice.


Not against the rules.


Nor do I. You seem like an OK guy and I might consider doing business with you in the future, so long as you up your standards of packing, which you have already promised to do.


This is something you have to learn to control when dealing professionally in the herp world, let alone any business. People will definately look at how you conduct yourself when issue arrises when deciding whether or not to do business with you.

All around, I also agree that a bad guy post was a bit harsh. Maybe an info post would have been better. You should up your standards of packaging when you ship animals, which you have already promised to do, which is very commendable. If you are interested in finding better ways to pack, post a thread on Fauna asking people for advice. There are MANY MANY people on here that are very professional, helpful, and more than willing to give some advice. Thanks for being mature through most of this thread though... I've been cuaght up in the DTS Herps thread and Dan Scolero is just.... well... highly unprofessional at best.

I respect your post but when your showing my lack of maturity your not showing the reason for it.Your not showing what the people are saying first before I respond.You have to understand where I am coming from.The immature responses on my behalf were said to immature people that made immature posts.Your right I do not have to keep logging in but if I'm not going to deal with this website I would want my account removed and that is what I mean when I say "enslaved to the website".I understand whats against the rules and whats not.I was just basically saying it's not cool by the webmaster to post my personal e-mails.What I mean when I say he made a post without me knowing I wasn't saying he should have told me before doing it.I meant it as he should have discussed his problem with me before making a forum like this.I do insulate my boxes just not on this one which was simply a bad judgment call.I know bearded dragons environmental requirements such as high basking temps but once again if your doing something the same way and everything is fine your not going to change the way you do it.

 

[BridgeDragons.com]

Disrespectful...


I completely agree, Nemo.


If the animals is used to basking in 120 degree temps, even with a heat pack (improperly placed I shoul add), insulation should have been used. If it is a hot summer, I understand, but I agree with moore on this one. Insulation should be used. We are still in winter.



This is something I also agree with. Perhaps Ed jumped the gun a little bit here. If you run a business, feedback, whether good or bad, is always helpful.


Truly mature and respectful.


HUGE lapse in maturity.


I'm pretty sure it's allowed, just as long as its not something like a credit card number, social security, etc.... correct me if I'm wrong.


I don't think people have to tell you when they make a post about you.


I'd suggest you be a little more strict with the companies you order from when it comes to their packaging. I do feel sorry for you that this is what you had to go on.


Another lapse in maturity.


He is not forcing you to keep logging in and posting. This is completely your choice.


Not against the rules.


Nor do I. You seem like an OK guy and I might consider doing business with you in the future, so long as you up your standards of packing, which you have already promised to do.


This is something you have to learn to control when dealing professionally in the herp world, let alone any business. People will definately look at how you conduct yourself when issue arrises when deciding whether or not to do business with you.

All around, I also agree that a bad guy post was a bit harsh. Maybe an info post would have been better. You should up your standards of packaging when you ship animals, which you have already promised to do, which is very commendable. If you are interested in finding better ways to pack, post a thread on Fauna asking people for advice. There are MANY MANY people on here that are very professional, helpful, and more than willing to give some advice. Thanks for being mature through most of this thread though... I've been cuaght up in the DTS Herps thread and Dan Scolero is just.... well... highly unprofessional at best.

I also would like to add that me trying to run a professional business I know I should not have stooped down to responding to those immature posts like that.It's just when your completely furious and full of emotion it's hard not to.I let it get to me which I shouldn't have.When you see something your working so hard to build getting ripped to pieces from every angle it's hard to control yourself.

 

[AvandisFifth187]

I also would like to add that me trying to run a professional business I know I should not have stooped down to responding to those immature posts like that.It's just when your completely furious and full of emotion it's hard not to.I let it get to me which I shouldn't have.When you see something your working so hard to build getting ripped to pieces from every angle it's hard to control yourself.

I'm glad you admitted that. Like I said before, after dealing with the DTS herps thread, it is a huge relief to see someone admitting their faults. There were a few immature posts by other posters, and others that, though I don't view them as immature, I could understand how others could.

I understand you're relativley new to the business (I'd consider three years relatively new), and honestly I think it is good in a way that this thread came up. It is helping you, along with other people that are somewhat new to the business, to see what and what not to do. Like I said before, though, you've got to learn how to control those emotions when running a business. Just be happy this isn't completely blowing up as other bad guy threads recently have.

 

[Ed Clark]

When you see something your working so hard to build getting ripped to pieces from every angle it's hard to control yourself.

Arm yourself with knowledge, know all aspects of your business. instead of exploding in anger and calling names. beat them with facts, but do it calmly.

 

[MikeCurtin]

Good advice, Ed.

Not sure if you've already answered this, but did you call or e-mail Shawn before starting this thread? Yes, he reacted poorly, but it seems to me this could have been avoided.

 

[Slim]

Nobody is whining about anything or acting immature.I am one of the only people on here responding like an adult

That's the thing I do package properly just in this situation I didn't insulate.I made a bad call.I decided not to because the days I shipped were warm and I was afraid of burning the animal up.

How chilly did the temps get the night of shipping?

I respect your post but when your showing my lack of maturity your not showing the reason for it.

So as long as you have a reason, showing a lack of maturity is fine? Just trying to understand what you're meaning is.