Shrillomn, a brief expose

[Griz]

Did I miss something?
Has Shrillomn been identified or does this refer to another anonymous poster?

I have, at least in my mind, identified him. I had some spare time a week or two ago and reread all of his posts taking careful note of his verbage and grammar. I then perform a few searches to see how and when those words were used in the past and whittle the names down from there. I cannot say with 100% certainty who it is but I, as well as a few others from what I have read, have a good idea of who it is.

Griz

 

[DAND]

This IS who Wes is, both now and in the future.

Exactly and unfortunate. wes used to contribute to this site, now he is not much more than a troll which he used to dispise.

 

[Lucille]

Even that won't change who we all really are.

Griz

It is true, people are resistant to change. But (whether it can be done HERE or not, let's put aside) I hope that it can be done. Not often, but I have seen it. As a nurse, I've seen people struggle with alcoholism, and a few of them, win. One day at a time.
I've seen people with health conditions that needed them to make a major change in lifestyle just to live. Cancers. Diabetes. Some of them did, the rest of them died.
I've seen irresponsible parents, a few of them, mature, and have lovely families.

Do I honestly believe that change can happen? I do. After all, I'm listening to you and thinking about what you tell me. If you are that pessimistic why would you bother to point out how you feel?

Another honest belief is that none of us fully know who we are, or what we are fully capable of. How many of us blossomed and grew when we first became parents, never knowing the strengths we had until the need was there?

Who is Bob? Who is Lucille? For that matter, who is Wes? (And who the heck is Shrillomn? )

There are talents and depths we discovery just by our journey through life. So while I believe the 'real us' is here and identifiable, I also believe that we can change somewhat, and to an extent, life can offer us opportunities for developing that change.

 

[Mike Greathouse]

I have, at least in my mind, identified him. I had some spare time a week or two ago and reread all of his posts taking careful note of his verbage and grammar. I then perform a few searches to see how and when those words were used in the past and whittle the names down from there. I cannot say with 100% certainty who it is but I, as well as a few others from what I have read, have a good idea of who it is.

Griz

Since, you've already done all the work, care to share the results?

 

[Griz]

You missed my point Lucille. I never meant to imply that people cannot change. It happens all of the time. What I was implying was that WE (collectively and separately) are not going to change due to Fauna. Nothing said here is going to have anywhere near the impact as if it actually happened in real life.

This is not real life. Fauna is simply a playground that means virtually nothing to the majority of us. Not that Fauna does not have it's merits and would be miss, but that we would each move on with our lives with very little effect should Fauna ever fall to the wayside.

Nothing YOU do in this make believe world is going to have a lasting impact on the development of who Wes or anyone else for that matter, really is. The posts made here are simply a window into one's psyche that allows us to determine just how far up your elevator goes in the ethics building.

Griz

 

[Griz]

Since, you've already done all the work, care to share the results?

Not really as it's all heresay. Call it a hunch with some supporting documents but not enough to convict. But, needless to say, the more Shrillomn posts the harder it is for him to not reveal the truth.

Griz

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

I Finally Made it to the BIGTIME!!!

I've hit the Elite list at last. I just noticed this bit of prose written by our resident wordsmith, Wes, in another thread. Not wanting to clutter up a real thread by quoting his drivel there, I thought I would share it here

suncrust the herpe infested beast from the land of retired nags,

He has honored me with a nickname!!!!!! Sure, it's idiotic, meaningless and something that would do credit to a 2nd grade cephalic but, it's still a nickname!

My next goal in life is to make it to the ignore list....then....who knows? maybe an Oscar Nod next year?

Wes, you never cease to amuse. Sort of like a drooling kid eating his own boogers, it's gross and disgusting but it's hard to look away

 

[Lucille]

You missed my point Lucille. I never meant to imply that people cannot change. It happens all of the time. What I was implying was that WE (collectively and separately) are not going to change due to Fauna. Nothing said here is going to have anywhere near the impact as if it actually happened in real life.

This is not real life. Fauna is simply a playground that means virtually nothing to the majority of us. Not that Fauna does not have it's merits and would be miss, but that we would each move on with our lives with very little effect should Fauna ever fall to the wayside.

Nothing YOU do in this make believe world is going to have a lasting impact on the development of who Wes or anyone else for that matter, really is. The posts made here are simply a window into one's psyche that allows us to determine just how far up your elevator goes in the ethics building.

Griz

The BOI has made and broken businesses; and there have been friendships and loves made and broken here on Fauna.
So those things have made a lasting impact on the lives of some.

And the interplay of personalities can and does forge a change in some people.

I remember a long series of exchanges you and I had about a particular LH post, whether it should have been removed or not; and there is no question that your posts added depth and became part of how I have seen similar situations.

Perhaps you would like to believe that Fauna is a fast food meal to be consumed and forgotton. But I've learned lessons here that will stay with me; it is not all just entertainment.

 

[Griz]

Lucille, hence my comment "majority of us."

Griz

 

[Chameleon Company]

Bob, that's one high soap box.

People are who they are and nothing you and I do will change that. Period. Chamco is a prime example of this. Before the WWW rules went into effect, Chamco maintain a certain decorum in the threads. When the WWW rules started, his mouth spewed some of the most vile comments, sexual innuendo's etc that I have seen on this board. Now, due to whatever reason, and thankfully of course, he has decided to resume some civility. The wind blew and Chamco changed. Just like it is in life. With some time and in the right situation, the obnoxious Chamco will resurface, even if for a short while.

My point is nothing negative towards Chamco. However, it does speak volumes about who we are. That IS who Chamco is, both now as well as in the future. This IS who Wes is, both now and in the future. This IS who Bob Woodard, who Lucille is etc etc etc. We are NOT going to change due to anything that occurs in this little world that we have created for ourselves.

Sorry bro, but this is a croc. You are right that I had a different tone before the WWW. You seem to indicate that I decided to change, then change back, cause the wind blew ! Your perspective, but a very limited and self-serving one. I had asked months ago in PM to call me, and you refused. At least you could have been man enough to talk before you "figured it all out", and at least get another slice. You aren't alone, as three of the biggest snipes here, who were going into BS land with some of their posts in threads past, also refused to call when I asked them to. Seems they prefer the safety of the keyboard. To their credit, many others here have spoken with or met me.

So here's the view from the best vantage point about me. I was civil by your definitions, mine too. Then the board started to decline with the WWW and some lynch BS. Not just the inclusion of Wes, but the regular cast of snipes took their game to the gutter. I used sexual "in-your-end-o's" against those who first used them against others. I was no more vile, and I believe less so, to those where it was aimed, than they had been. Civil was tried first, and it failed. So if the pigs don't get out of the mud when you ask them to, you jump in the mud and try to influence them there. I made plenty of enemies in two particular threads, although I met crap with crap in many threads. I'd do it again.

I do not pretend to know you Bob, and damn sure am not going to try to characterize "what you are" cause I only see one slice. But for you to pretend to have anything more than a snapshot about the rest of us is, as Wes would put it, one giant ASSumption.

BTW, I toned it down again not because the wind blew. It was a choice.

Back to this tidbit of wisdom:

People are who they are and nothing you and I do will change that. Period. Chamco is a prime example of this.

This thread, and so many threads here, are opinions and attitudes Bob, not people. Opinions and attitudes change all the time, often with the influential help of others. Period. I am a prime example. So are you.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

You missed my point Lucille. I never meant to imply that people cannot change. It happens all of the time. What I was implying was that WE (collectively and separately) are not going to change due to Fauna. Nothing said here is going to have anywhere near the impact as if it actually happened in real life.

This is not real life. Fauna is simply a playground that means virtually nothing to the majority of us. Not that Fauna does not have it's merits and would be miss, but that we would each move on with our lives with very little effect should Fauna ever fall to the wayside.

Nothing YOU do in this make believe world is going to have a lasting impact on the development of who Wes or anyone else for that matter, really is. The posts made here are simply a window into one's psyche that allows us to determine just how far up your elevator goes in the ethics building.

Griz

Bob

I tend to agree with the majority of the above post with a few notable exceptions. You are right that a fair number of the forums on this site are, at best, here for light reading and entertainment. Hence the titles "General BS, Sound off, Lonely Herats ets. If someone wants to frequent those forums and act the ass-clown, as long as he does it within the framework of what's left of the rules, I say have at it.

My problem is when that behavior becomes the norm for someone in the few areas of this site that should be taken seriously. Most notably, the BOI. Whether you want to admit it or not, that forum has been a solid force in the industry for a lot of years and has done an amazing job of curtailing the rise of and contributing to the downfall of more scumbags than I can name at the moment. It's a valuable tool that should be treated as one.

All jibing aside, I personally, have no beef with Wes. I believe that he honestly has good intentions. It's his methods that are causing the damage. How many times since his return has someone been labelled either a liar or a fraud by Wes based on his famous "gut feelings? Plenty!

The BOI only works if people use it. How many newbies want to use it when they see other posters getting their heads beat in based on "Gut Feelings" rather than the evidence time and time again?


The other point I disagree with you on Bob is the statement

Fauna is simply a playground that means virtually nothing to the majority of us

Based on your 1,100 posts and the thought and time you put into them, I tend to believe that this site means a bit more to you than virtually nothing

 

[Griz]

This thread, and so many threads here, are opinions and attitudes Bob, not people. Opinions and attitudes change all the time, often with the influential help of others. Period. I am a prime example. So are you.

And you're right Jim, they are just opinions. But, how you handle those situations, the mannerisms in which you use to express yourself, is all we have to determine who you really are.

You can't deny the fact that when we had rules you abided, when the rules were relaxed you took advantage of it, and now when the general concensus is to invoke a certain amount of decorum you are, shall we say, "switching sides" again. Why you are looking at this as a bad thing is beyond me Jim. It's who just about every person here who actually reads your threads knows you to be. Don't deny yourself Jim, be like Wes and at least own it.

Griz

 

[Griz]

My problem is when that behavior becomes the norm for someone in the few areas of this site that should be taken seriously. Most notably, the BOI. Whether you want to admit it or not, that forum has been a solid force in the industry for a lot of years and has done an amazing job of curtailing the rise of and contributing to the downfall of more scumbags than I can name at the moment. It's a valuable tool that should be treated as one.

All jibing aside, I personally, have no beef with Wes. I believe that he honestly has good intentions. It's his methods that are causing the damage. How many times since his return has someone been labelled either a liar or a fraud by Wes based on his famous "gut feelings? Plenty!

The BOI only works if people use it. How many newbies want to use it when they see other posters getting their heads beat in based on "Gut Feelings" rather than the evidence time and time again?

John, you and I agree. Don't take my comments here as a pass for Wes. I, too, wish that we would at least gather evidence before convicting someone. Wes is wrong for that behavior and I would like to see that, not him, disappear.

What I am challenging though is who is doing the disagreeing. It's tough to accept advice from individuals who behave in a manner that is consistent with that in which they are condemning. That's my only point.

The other point I disagree with you on Bob is the statement



Based on your 1,100 posts and the thought and time you put into them, I tend to believe that this site means a bit more to you than virtually nothing

If Fauna disappeared tomorrow I would be sad for a few days, as it's become a habit for me, but it would not create a hole in my life. Fauna has been invaluable in the fight against scums etc but it is neither the savior nor the pariah of the industry as some would lead you to believe.

Griz

 

[Wilomn]

Interesting. Since I cannot help but see when one is quoted, I read what is there in front of me.

SO, because I don't "do it" like some of you, I'm a bad guy? Tally up the score boys. How many times has my "gut" been wrong? How many times right?

You, many of you but a few in particular, make me laugh.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Interesting. Since I cannot help but see when one is quoted, I read what is there in front of me.

SO, because I don't "do it" like some of you, I'm a bad guy? Tally up the score boys. How many times has my "gut" been wrong? How many times right?

You, many of you but a few in particular, make me laugh.

Wes

I am going to take one civil swing at this and then give serious thought to trying out the ignore feature.

Your gut is just that, your gut. It is not evidence, either direct or circumstantial. If your gut tells you something, the logical person would then spend the time to find proof, not simply blast away indiscriminately and hope he is right.

I have no issue with anyone doing things differently than I or the majority do them. But there are certain levels of decorum that most reasonable adults adhere to. Did it ever occur to you that, in addition to being different your methods might simply be wrong based on most reasonable standards?

I actually have evidence to back that theory up Wes. I attempted to take a screen shot of your Warnings Page to post here but it was so big that I could not shrink it down to fit and still be readable so I guess those reading will have to click on it themselves. I believe you have the dubious honor of having been warned more than any other member. You have also been suspended somewhere between 5 and 7 times which includes one permanent Banning. I realize that you take some sort of perverse pride in both of those records but does this not maybe suggest that your behaviour and attitude is something that not only the membership in general, but the mods as well find to be unacceptable.

You will undoubtedly continue to do whatever you like Wes but, based on the limited and conditional support you now seem to receive here, I believe the "Rebel Mystique" you try so desperately to convey is starting to wear thin.

I wouldn't actually avail myself of the ignore feature. It is a little too Wussie of a solution for me. However, this will be my last post on this topic.

 

[Shrillomn]

I have, at least in my mind, identified him. I had some spare time a week or two ago and reread all of his posts taking careful note of his verbage and grammar. I then perform a few searches to see how and when those words were used in the past and whittle the names down from there. I cannot say with 100% certainty who it is but I, as well as a few others from what I have read, have a good idea of who it is.

Griz

Griz,
I'm just a little hurt by the lack of confidence that you have in me. Have I posted anything here that would make you think that the majority of my posts were not thought out and crafted, or that I was somehow lacking in the ability to choose my words.

It's a simple thing to emulate a writing style from this user or that, and even throw in a phrase or two for impact.

I think if you'll look hard enough at my compiled works, you may even recognize a word or two of your own.

Eventually, the smurf will turn white...

 

[Chameleon Company]

Bob

Such wisdom to divine what motivates the opinions you see here, and how they are expressed .... I am amazed to no end . What can I say ... I tried to get you to call months when the crap started to get deep, and you declined ..... its comfortable behind that keyboard! Seems reasonable now though, as when one can see so much from on high, what else is there to know, eh?

 

[TomO]

So, if I coined the username "Nillomn", who would I be emulating, and exactly how would it help this community?

 

[Seamus Haley]

Similar threads...

Says something.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Griz-Bob,
What seems pointless about this round of psyhco-stupidity is that by your own admission its not relevant to now. If I or any other so designated was every heinous thing you said in days-of-yore, you also pointed out that we are not such now. As John pointed out, Wes' track record is unbroken only by his suspensions and banning. I may be the wrath of your Fauna existence, or at least a burr in your saddle, as I seemed to have hit a nerve some time ago. Vile as you claim that I was, if Wes had joined me or any others who decided to elevate our games again (or for the first time) for whatever reason motivated him, not only is it end-of-discussion, but there never was any discussion, and no WWW thread.

Now, if you want to keep up with the "yeah, but you did this six months ago" discussion, tell you what ! I'll give you my ex-wife's phone number. You and her got things in common!