• In the past two days I have gotten emails asking about being requested to provide credit card info in order to register and also to make a post in the classifieds forums. PLEASE NOTE: In no instance will this site ask you for this sort of information. The only time any request for payment is made is if you choose to opt-in for a higher membership level, and that is done SOLELY through PayPal. Anything else is coming from a source other than this site. My guess is that this is coming through Google Adsense, but when I can get someone to send me a screen shot of this sort of request, I will know more.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

"Simply Snakes"=simply pathetic

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Beth and Paul, Simply Snakes, have an average, imported male crocodile monitor posted for sale. I sent them a nice email asking them if they would consider delivering to the Daytona show since they are unable to ship the animal (then why are they selling it on the net). I also asked if they were a little flexible on the price as they are asking $1,000 for it. If you know croc monitors the only ones that sell for $1,000+ are babies. Large animals are all over the net for $375-750 each, ESPECIALLY MALES.

So they get back to me, not telling me what they could an dcould not do, not mentioning price, but instead write simply:

"I would need a large deposit or payment in full to hold it here for a couple weeks."

I respond that if I am happy with the price and they will deliver to the expo to a friend that I will pay in full prior, no trouble.

They then respond:

"Yes, It is $1000.00 firm"

I respond thanking them and saying that I will have to pass.

Then I get an email from them:

"The AD SAYS FIRM. You should not waste peoples time."

So dear reader, just know that not only do these people not want your buisness and they do not answer questions or practice any manners or etiquite whatsoever online, but they are too busy for people to try to buy their animals. I guess they are too good for us and don't need the money. Who is that busy? Do you think they may be brain surgeons? Maybe rocket scientists? Hum.
 
They must be the busiest people around...those three responses probably took 15 seconds apiece...
 
Did I miss something.....?

I am still waiting to read something HORRIBLE about them to warrent the title to this thread....did the ad say the price was FIRM?
 
I know Paul very well, and am surprised to find that he would reply this way. Even so, I'm wondering if he deserves this strong of a post-a man is in the reptile business for half his life, strives to get a following of customers (which he has), volunteers for many reptile events, president of the local herp society (which he founded), and then gets a very negative reprimand that pictures him to the unknown as a nasty, mannerless guy. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be angry or should, but with the tons of people that read these threads, he is pictured in your post as a business to avoid- Is that the intent of the posting, and does this incident deserve that? And correct me if I'm wrong, is there some sarcasm regarding overcharging for the monitor (since it's in caps)? Why is that bad?

I think if I were making a post like this, I would like to think I would have quoted the e-mail (as you did), and asked if this was typical of Paul before assuming anything (or confronted him about it)-but easy for me to say I guess...I'm just very uneasy about the power one headline on this BOI can have, and it's ability to ruin a reputation.

Kerry Swan
El Lagarto Farm
Citra, Fl
 
Kerry, I put their exact words and only their exact words and in fact the only words they had the time to send me. If they come off badly in this thread that is their fault not mine. I am tired of being treated like crap via email when I am simply responding to peoples advertisements that invite responses. If they do not have time to answer the questions they should pull the damn ads!
 
evansnakes said:
Kerry, I put their exact words and only their exact words and in fact the only words they had the time to send me. If they come off badly in this thread that is their fault not mine. I am tired of being treated like crap via email when I am simply responding to peoples advertisements that invite responses. If they do not have time to answer the questions they should pull the damn ads!
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I'll vouch for Evan's politeness via email.. lol.. even when sending me bad emails about another situation we were having over another debate about a year ago or so (I can't remember what it was).... he was nice and polite throughout. LoL.. I don't even remember what we were fighting about anymore.. do you?

I personally think its bad business to treat others with no respect via email and a portrayal of how they do business.
 
Evan Stahl

I would like to thank Evan for being the unbelievable jerk of the year. He is upset because I won't sell my croc monitor to him for a lower price. I stated in an email that I did not want to lower the price, and my ad on kingsnake was stated firm on price, serios inquiries only. Why then does he hassle me about delivering the animal to Daytona in the first place if it is too expensive? I did state that I would need a large deposit in order to hold the animal for several weeks. This is due to people changing their minds and deals falling through. He then sent me the most nastiest fowl language email I have yet to recieve. Want to read his email and see? Send me email at [email protected] and I will forward it to you. That should settle his temper tantrum online. If you go to our website at SimplySnakes.com you can read feedback from all of our customers that cared to post there.
Basically, Evan did not get his way and decided to build up his temper and begin posting nasty lies online. Be careful Evan, I will defend my name and my wifes to extreme measures. I suggest you retract your posting because it is false. Once again, if the price is too high for him, why is he even responding to the ad?
 
More simply stupid snakes comments. Where did I lie pal? I wrote on here your exact words. Point out one thing that I said that is not true. You can't. I don't care if you want to sell your animal or not. The point is that I was very courteous and thanked you for your time after you were very rude to me and avoided answering my questions. After I asked if you would bring it to the expo, you responded that you would (since you can't figure out how to ship) and did not mention price at all even though I asked twice in two separate emails prior to that if you would do better. You never answered my question. When you ever so rudely answered that the price was firm, I very nicely thanked you for your time and told you that I would pass. You then sent me a nasty email that I should not waste people's time. So go to hell pal! I tried to buy your animal. You won't ship, don't want to hold on to it and don't want to better on price. Ontop of that every email you sent me was rude. You suck. Simple
 
Evan...you appear vindictive...

This is one of those threads where the person who started the thread looks like the bad guy. If you were so courteous in your emails, why so antagonistic here? This is not a place to cry about someone not taking your price, man, you have really changed my opinion about you...this thread should have never been started, should have been kept in email if ANYTHING!

Dave
 
HHHMMMMMMMM,

I just read the email that Even sent to Simplysnakes. It did have a lot of profanity in it. I think that now would be a good time for both of you to post ALL emails so that we can get a better picture of this whole thing. As yet I am unsure if Simplysnakes was out of line.

Wes Pollock
 
OK Dave, I changed your opinion about me. Great. Thanks. Grow up. You are allowed to speak your mind but I'm not? The guy called me a liar. Why doesn't he tell you what I lied about? He can't. I have not lied. Almost every single thread on this forum is vindictive. Have you read very many. How many are objective? Not many. I do not like being treated like s**t when I am spending money. I was polite and thanked the guy for his time and I was gone. He still had to proceed and give me more of a hard time. Every correspondence from him was rude. Iwould love to read how he can deny that. If he posts my emails or his they will be the exact same wording that I started this thread with except they will have all his exclamation marks and caps to emphasize how rude he was. I'm sure some people would like to know this before they respond to a post of his. I would. I would now like Simply Snakes to point out where I lied since I have been accussed of being a liar. This is a very simple thread. I posted every word exactly as stated both ways. After he continued to harrass me after I was courteous, put up with him being rude and still thanked him, I then sent him a rude reply that he deserved. He was an ass and I responded. Simple.
 
I forgot, David, where in the title did I say they were terrible, horrible or anything else? I did not. I said "pathetic" which does not mean that they did anything horrible to me. It simply means that I felt they were pathetic which is sad, dissapointing, a let down, etc..
 
Evan,

The ad clearly states the price is firm, and no trades. Nothing pisses me off more than someone that does not read the ad and takes it upon themselves to approach me with trades or a lower price if my ad state NO TRADES or PRICE IS FIRM. This thread and your entire attitude toward this animal and company is out of line. The animal they have advertised is not a fresh import that should be priced at $350 and even if it was a fresh import they can price it at what they want. That animal is a LTC animal and by the pics is a well fed and taken care of animal. What gives you the right to act this way towards them if they do not want to sell an animal for the price you want? NONE! They are the seller and they price the animal at what they want. If you don't like the price then DO NOT CONTACT THEM PERIOD . Also I read your e-mail you sent to them and courteous is not what I would call the e-mail I read. You were rude, used profanity, and were overall a total Jerk. If I had received the e-mail like you sent them I would have been on here posting and letting everyone know how you acted. You should never have started this thread in the first place because they did nothing wrong and now because of your actions you are making yourself look bad. I would like to see both sides e-mails posted as I have not seen where they were rude but have seen where you were rude and out of line.
 
Rob, as I stated, I sent them that email later, after he sent me the rude reply, after I had thanked him and said that I would pass. The fact that he would not ship the animal and that I would have to pay in full 3 weeks in advance, that is unreasonable if I ask them if I can get any kind of a deal to make it worth my while to go so far out of my way to deal with them? That is insane. If you think that is how business should be done then good luck to you too. I never said to him that his animal was not worth the price he quoted I simply asked if he would do any better at all as he wanted full payment 3 weeks in advance I felt well within the boundaries of reasonable questions. So if you want to buy an animal from me Rob and I want payment up front, you don't know me from Adam, but I said I might deliver it to a show 17 hours from your house, since I won't ship, you would be way out of line asking if you could save a little money on the price due to all that? And on top of that keep in mind that he kept emiling me about delivering to the show after I had emailed twice asking if he was at all flexible on the price and he just did not respond to that question. He just asked for payment up front. If anything that should mean that he may be willing to work something out wouldn't you think? All of the emails are exactly as I stated except the one sent by me after all this stating what I thought of his taking a cheap shot at me after I thanked him for his time. If somebody did the exact same thing to you in person Rob, you would turn around and go back to ask them what the hell their problem was.
 
Even,

To be honest, I have people order animals and want me to hold them for a time before them being delivered (either in person or shipped). I have had customers need animals to be held up to 2 months but most the time it is 2-3 weeks. I always get 100% payment up front to hold an animal that long. Our policy is we do not hold animals without a deposit or payment in full. With a 50% deposit we will hold an animal up to 2 weeks anything longer it is 100% payment up front.
I can totally understand them not wanting to ship a 7ft Croc Monitor. That is an animal that can be very destructive to both itself and the box it would be packed in. Also it does not matter if you wanted to try and save money on the animal or not. I can understand you wanting to but they clearly stated the price was firm. That means firm and does not mean it is up to interpretation. If they were willing to negotiate on the price the ad would not have been so specific.
I can also understand how they got frustrated at you. The ad clearly stated that their price was firm and yet you tried to get the price lower and they felt that you wasted their time.
 
YOU are telling ME to grow up?

Come on Evan, do not post for a week on this thread, come back then and look at how foolish you are starting to appear. That is all I have to say.

Dave.....GROWN!
 
At my request Simply Snakes fowarded me the emails between them and Evan. They were/are planning to post them, and I said I would. I've combined them all to make one post, complete with timestamps. Hopefully these are all in order, but it's late and one or two may be out of place. One last note is I personally edited the last email from Evan, to make it at least semi appropriate to post here.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:39:09 -0400

Evan,

I would need a large deposit or full payment to hold on to it for
another few weeks.

Sincerely,
Beth & Paul
Simply Snakes
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:53:13 -0400



Are you firm at that price though? If I was happy with the price I would pay
in advance for it to be delivered at Daytona. Evan

Evan Stahl
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
www.Evanstahlreptiles.com
www.micbexpo.com

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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:26:06 -0400

Yes, It is $1000.00 firm.

Sincerely,
Beth & Paul
Simply Snakes

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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:30:40 -0400



Ok. I'll pass. Thanks

Evan Stahl
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
www.Evanstahlreptiles.com
www.micbexpo.com

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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:33:12 -0400

The AD SAYS FIRM. You should not waste peoples time.

Sincerely,
Beth & Paul
Simply Snakes

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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:36:22 -0400



What the f*** is your problem a******? I have been in this business for ever.
I have croc monitors here. I am a serious buyer who spends a ton of money on
animals each year. If you had not been so firm you could have sold an animal.
Instead you can take that worthless wild caught male that I can buy for $350
from Indo and shove it up your a**! So I sent you an email that said thanks
I'll pass you have to respond with this b***s***? F*** off!

Evan Stahl
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
www.Evanstahlreptiles.com
www.micbexpo.com
 
Here are all the emails in order and unedited

Ok - After many emails and inquiries I am posting all emails that were sent from Evan to us and our replies. They are time stamped and dated and unedited and we will be more than happy to forward all of them to you. This really is a waste of time to be doing this, however, we feel it is necessarly to set the record straight. I would like to apologize for posting EVAN's language that he used.

Subj: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/24/03 3:06:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]



Hi there. Are you firm on the price? Could you bring it to somebody at the Daytona show next month if I wanted it? Thanks. Evan

Subj: Re: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/24/03 9:39:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: SimpSnake
To: EVANSNAKES


Evan,

I would need a large deposit or full payment to hold on to it for another few weeks.

Sincerely,
Beth & Paul
Simply Snakes

http://www.simplysnakes.com/

Subj: Re: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/24/03 11:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: EVANSNAKES
To: SimpSnake


Are you firm at that price though? If I was happy with the price I would pay in advance for it to be delivered at Daytona. Evan

Evan Stahl
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
www.Evanstahlreptiles.com
www.micbexpo.com

Subj: Re: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/25/03 12:26:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: SimpSnake
To: EVANSNAKES



Yes, It is $1000.00 firm.

Sincerely,
Beth & Paul
Simply Snakes

http://www.simplysnakes.com/

Subj: Re: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/25/03 12:30:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: EVANSNAKES
To: SimpSnake


Ok. I'll pass. Thanks

Evan Stahl
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
www.Evanstahlreptiles.com
www.micbexpo.com

Subj: Re: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/25/03 12:33:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: SimpSnake
To: EVANSNAKES


The AD SAYS FIRM. You should not waste peoples time.

Sincerely,
Beth & Paul
Simply Snakes

Subj: Re: Message about: ADULT CROCODILE MONITOR FOR SALE -PIC-
Date: 7/25/03 12:36:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: EVANSNAKES
To: SimpSnake


What the #### is your problem asshole? I have been in this business for ever. I have croc monitors here. I am a serious buyer who spends a ton of money on animals each year. If you had not been so firm you could have sold an animal. Instead you can take that worthless wild caught male that I can buy for $350 from Indo and shove it up your ass! So I sent you an email that said thanks I'll pass you have to respond with this bull####? #### off!

Evan Stahl
Quality Captive Bred Reptiles
www.Evanstahlreptiles.com
www.micbexpo.com

http://www.simplysnakes.com/

As you can see I have not edited any of the above emails - We, (Beth & Paul) have not been rude to this man and would like this harrassment to stop! Evan said we needed to show that he was lyiing. Here are Evan's lies: 1) he said he was polite to us 2) that we would not get it to him before the show 3) but that he wanted held here until the show 4) that he said that the animal wasnt worth the 1000.00 but in his last email to us said that the animal wasnt worth but 350.00 and 5) that we were rude to him and 6) he stated in hie post that we required full PAYMENT? not true as you can see above - we stated partial payment or payment in full.

We can not hold animals for anybody in the hopes that three weeks later that they will pay for them. Nobody in a business does that. We stated clearly in our ad that there was no shipping - not due to the fact we cant or dont know how to ship- we are not shipping him because of several reasons and those are heat, and stress and possible death. We care too much for this animal to do that to it. So, I can continue to go on - but I feel that we have proven a point here and would appreciate Evan leaving us alone. EVAN - You are not interested in the animal so leave us alone.
 
simply pathetic thread

Evan, what got into your head? You did waste his time and his responses were not mean spirited.

If you saw the ad say 1K firm and you know that you could get the same thing for only $350 why did you bother to even contact him? He didn't feel the need to answer your question about lowering the price because it was already answered in the ad.

That was an extremely rude attack on Simply Snakes and I can't believe you came here to call them pathetic. I hope you can rethink your actions on this non-transaction and put ego aside and see that an apology should be forthcoming.

Cathy Maynard
 
So Even, if some yahoo that you had never heard of emailed you and wanted you to hold on to say, 1.3 albino hondurans for three weeks, after seeing an add of yours that said 1K firm, then asked you to hold them for three weeks and deliver them to Daytona because it was too hot to deliver them where he lived and then had the nuts to ask you to discount them how would you have responded?

I think you were the one out of line on this one and you do owe Beth and Paul an appology. Basically you did waste their time. Not a lot of it, and not in some egregious way, but waste it you did none the less. They did not come to you and ask you to buy the monitor, you went to them and then had a hissy fit when they got irked that you wasted their time. Politeness aside, this one's on you.

Wes Pollock
 
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