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I purchased a pair of ball pythons last Friday from sixgunsun1177. Male black pastel pied, and a black pastel het pied female. I sent him $800.00 through paypal. I have emailed, sent a private message, texted and called him a minimum of 8 times since then. No response. He has them marked a sold. I am not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about this transaction. Did anyone else also send him money for these animals? Thanks. Tom
 

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Tim called sold on a pair of snake and said he'd pay that day. He doesn't and same thing next day. So I followed up to make sure he was still going to purchase the snakes. It didn't matter because other buyers are waiting to pay. Tim again failed to pay the second day. After two days of saying he would pay and nothing, I accepted payment from somebody else. As soon as Tim realize they were sold he was very anxious to "pay."But as you can see by the attached photo he has failed to do so. His check was declined by his bank.
 

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I have no idea why my bank declined payment.I made sure there was enough money in the account before I sent the payment. There is plenty of money in the account. I paid him on Friday night as promised. He never contacted me that there was a problem. I first contacted him on Thursday that I wanted to purchase the snakes. Friday morning he asked if I still wanted to purchase them. I told him yes that I would pay that day. He obviously took payment from someone. He has not had the decency to let me know that he took payment. I will cancel the paypal payment. My guess is he sold them for more money. What a waste of time.
 
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The date of the paypal problem was on 9/12/17. Days after he would not take my call. There was plenty of money in the account when I made the payment and there still is. He never contacted me to say there was a problem.I made a $200.00 payment on the night that we agreed to and asked him to contact me if he received the payment and I would send the rest right out. He never responded again, even after I had sent the $800.00 on 9/09/12. It is now 6 days later and he will only respond to a Board of Inquiry post.
 
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I went back through the email trail. First contact twice on 9/07/17. I said I wanted them and how would you like to be paid. He said I have a good reputation so paypal was fine. He contacted me on again on 9/08/17 and said other people were interested, when was I going to pay. I replied that I would transfer money into the account attached to paypal and pay soon. I sent money that evening. I asked him to contact me when he received the money. He refunded the money which did not make any sense, so I resent the $800.00 and continued to try to contact him. Never had the balls to answer any contacts. It will not be the first or last time that people this on transactions, but at least have the courtesy to respond.
 
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One last post and I am done. On the first day of contact I never promised to pay that day. We were discussing how he wanted payment. He contacted me again the next day 9/08/17 to make make sure that I still wanted them, and I said that I did, would transfer money into that account and send the money soon, which I did. When I made the payment there was a substantial balance in the account and there still is. He had obviously sold the snakes already. I purchased other snakes that day 9/08 and 9/09, and there was no problem with the paypal payments. He would not respond since he had already sold the snakes. The payment should have cleared instantly.
 
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He refunded the money which did not make any sense, so I resent the $800.00
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It is possible that this may be at the root of the declined payment. A refunded Paypal payment does not return to your bank immediately most of the time. Paypal will hold it until they are sure that the payment has cleared. If in the meantime you send another payment the original funds are not yet in your bank to cover subsequent payments.

Can you please post a screen shot of the dated original payment and his refund.
Then, the critical screen shot will be his proof of payment from someone else prior to yours.
There have been many BOIs about buyers promising to pay yet not sending payment before someone else. Unless a seller specifically agrees to wait, ordinarily it is the person who either pays the entire amount first or makes an agreement with the seller to make a deposit and does send the deposit,who gets the critter.
Please show the emails where you and the seller agreed that the $200 payment you say was made by you would hold the snake. If there was such an agreement, and if valid payment was made that evening (please show screen shots) the snake should have been held.
 
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I will see if I can figure out how to post the trail of emails. My version of reality is correct. I took it directly off of the emails between us. He added some things to make his version of reality look better for him. He jumped the gun and sold the snake to someone else. If I had known that he required immediate payment I would have made the payment before that night when I got home. I still will not get the snakes so this all is just an exercise in venting about an annoying transaction. Luckily almost all of the people that I deal with on Fauna are up front and straight forward.
 
Tom The bottom line is you've never paid me! I assure you that pretty much every seller on here has dealt with someone saying I will buy that and then they actually don't. After the second day of you saying I will "pay today" and not getting paid I sold them to someone serious. Your other snake purchases and bank account balance has zero to do with this situation. If the snakes were so important for you to purchase why didn't you pay me? You are confirming in front of everybody that you were paying for other snakes. I never agreed to $200 that's why it was refunded immediately within two hours . We agreed that you're going to pay what's up with the 25% payment? It doesn't matter that you would've sent to rest because the check would have bounced anyway.
Tim thought he could call dibs on snakes he couldn't afford and then tread water until he COULD afford them. Considering that Tim told me for two days he was going to pay me and didn't I feel I have no obligation to him. So no after his flakey behavior with payment I did not cauddle him and listen to bank balance tales.

The $500 payment you see if the down on the snakes Tom is claiming he purchased. I do believe paying is involved in purchasing. Tom has purchased a thong, merely said he would. NOTE The PayPal payment is declined it says pending till the 13th so it's already closed out . PayPal is no longer trying to send that money. If it did clear Tom you'd get another prompt refund.
 

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If you sent money by e-check, I probably would've refunded you as well. That method takes much longer to clear before the seller sees any money, than direct transfer. I would have informed you why I refunded it though.

The emails and PayPal activity screenshots will help. With the PayPal SS you can blackout anything not relevant to this transaction.
 
Anytime I've made an online reptile purchase the animals not considered sold until my money was in the sellers account. It has always been my obligation to get the money into the sellers account. Not for the seller to hold my hand until the money gets there. After not receiving payment and being told I would I owe Tom nothing.
 

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I don't see any discussion of a deposit in the messages provided, Tom can you post the correspondence where the seller agreed to hold them on a 25% deposit?

Thanks,
Allison
 
Tom, with the information the seller provided, you didn't pay the full amount, which is why the seller refunded your initial payment of $200.

Matthew, did you sell the snakes for $500 or was that for a different snake? Your comment was a little confusing.
 
Not that the sale price has any bearing on Tom's thread ... but I sold them for $800 with $500 down.
Snowdrift aka Miranda from fauna stayed in touch, and did exactly what she said payment wise.
 
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Not that the sale price has any bearing on Tom's thread ... but I sold them for $800 with $500 down.
Snowdrift aka Miranda from fauna stayed in touch, and did exactly what she said payment wise.
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You are correct, it doesn't have any bearing. I was trying to make sense of your comment.

We have all heard, "I am paying tomorrow.", then he sends a "deposit" without any discussion of such. I don't see where you did anything wrong. If I was selling, unless I know you, I will not hold an animal; first person to send money is the buyer.
 
Agreed Melissa. I've been burned by holding animals based on a "I absolutely want them, consider them sold" as well. Now, to avoid that, I require a deposit with clear definitions as to what that means (ie. how long the buyer has to pay the balance and what scenarios can cause either side to terminate the sale). We live and learn I suppose :)

Unless there was discussion of a deposit and what terms it would follow I don't see how the OP "purchased" them as the first post says. It sounds like a lesser amount was sent in hopes that would cause the seller to wait a bit longer, but I believe a purchase would mean you paid in full or at least within terms accepted by the seller in advance.

As much as it would have been nice for the seller to let the OP know that the deposit was not acceptable and they were accepting another offer, it would also have been equally nice of the OP to let the seller know there would be a delay on the total balance but they were sending a deposit in good faith and would have the balance by *insert date*. Then it's up to the seller to decide if they want to accept these terms or not.
 
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I obviously had no idea that the payment did not clear immediately. With no feedback from the seller I did not think there was a problem. The $200.00 appeared to clear immediately. I sent a smaller amount initially because I wanted to make sure that he received the money, as I stated in the payment, and the rest would be sent right out. His paypal account is attached to Kustom Air Workz which is attached to a website of www.KustomairWorkz. This website does not exist. No where did it say who the recipient was other than KustomairWorkz. If he had contacted me in any form about this it would have been easy to resolve. There was no agreement to make a deposit which was not the intent. I made the full payment a few hours later even though I still had no feedback from him that this was the correct account. This can go back and forth forever. He has appears launched into I was never going to pay mode a few hours my email that I was going to send the payment. All could have been resolved with any contact form the seller. I am now contacting paypal to have the payment cancelled. If he had bothered to tell me that the payment was held up I could have sent the money in a way that it would instantly transfer.
 
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As of today, the $800.00 payment has cleared. He has the $ so I am assuming that I will see the refund soon. The " hold my hand" "dibs on snakes he could not afford" "Tread water until he could afford" "flakely {his spelling} behavior" cauddle {his spelling} him" "bank balance tales" are all amusing attacks. He took payment from someone else before I could rush to the computer. His choice. This could have all been resolved by responding to any of my multiple contacts.
 
The OP appears to have just invented this deposit. Why did he not just send the full amount initially? Seller did the absolutely correct thing. He likely assumed getting the rest of his payment could prove difficult, when he had another solid buyer ready to pay immediately.
 
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