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Both on ignore. Both going to stay on ignore.

Feud. Some of you keep misusing this word.

Some of you keep telling me what I am doing and while I thank you for the effort, I must say you are ASSuming incorrectly. You might be on target if you were correct in your ASSumptions, but just because you would be doing a certain thing a certain way and call that certain thing by a certain name, does not mean I must.

Check out some IPs. There are some interesting similarities.

As far as those who do not appreciate me outing a lying scumbag, whether it be chumpco or not, whenever I catch them in a lie, too bad.

Use the ignore button, it's a wonderful feature which I quite enjoy.
 
Wes,
Is this the sixth or seventh person that you have accused of being Shrillomn? I've lost count.

Maybe you should just do as you say and ignore them all.
As far as I can see from his posts, this person's only "crime" has been to try to get you and Chamco to take your grudge to an appropriate forum and leave it out of the inappropriate ones.

In that respect, I support his efforts.
 
Mike, let me ask you this.

What is so difficult about NOT ASSuming? I have no "grudge" no "fued" no real care for chumpco personally.

I simply dislike a site I personally like being smeared as far as I, just me, am concerned by two faced convicted criminal secret meeting behind the scenes manimpulating liars like jim.

I think his presence here is a slur on those who do not act as he does. I think those of YOU who tolerate it are lacking. That's MY opinion, which I, as far as I know, am free to express, so long as I stay within the guidlines of this site.

It's sort of like you continually ASSuming that just because a word fits what YOU would be doing if you were in my place, which you are not which therefore also negates your stance entirley, is what I am doing.

You go right on and coddle the underside of humanity, have a great time. I choose not to. If you really don't like my choice, put me on ignore.

As far as accuastions, I have made several guesses and perhaps an accusation or two, but before you go off any further, making accusations as it were, maybe YOU should check IPs, targets, wordings, you know, do some investigating.

There are enough similarities between the two that I would NOT be surprised if they were one and the same. It makes no real difference, unless of course YOU, mike, don't really care WHO is manipulating YOU, personally.

It's kinda funny as far as I'm concerned, but it would surprise me not at all if you didn't get why I think so. That doesn't mean a thing and certainly does not make you any less intelligent that anyone else, but it should bring home the fact that not everyone sees things from the same vantage as you.
 
You know, as I was standing in front of the toaster waiting for my bread to transform, I had a thought, a very, to me, interesing one.

It seems that many of you have no problem at all with unknowns coming out of the woodwork and speaking for all of you. It seems that many of you who have expressed an opinion have no problem letting unknowns take the lead in this effort to not only relegate but define, lable, quantify my actions here on this site. It seems that many of you want to follow and want to so badly that you don't care WHO you follow so long as the noises made by your leader are noises that please your ears, regardless of what those noises may actually mean.

I also find it very interesting that when I, the target, question the veracity of these noises and the identity of your leaders, I am harraunged and subjected to vilification and unkind words, to say the least.

I find double standards interesting. I also don't use them myself.

How come it's ok for you guys but not for me?

Oh well, I don't really expect an answer, just trying, in my foolish way, to make some of you who only think one step at a time to ponder what it would be like to look further than the end of your nose for facts.
 
Wilomn said:
Mike, let me ask you this.

What is so difficult about NOT ASSuming? I have no "grudge" no "fued" no real care for chumpco personally.

I simply dislike a site I personally like being smeared as far as I, just me, am concerned by two faced convicted criminal secret meeting behind the scenes manimpulating liars like jim.

I think his presence here is a slur on those who do not act as he does. I think those of YOU who tolerate it are lacking. That's MY opinion, which I, as far as I know, am free to express, so long as I stay within the guidlines of this site.

It's sort of like you continually ASSuming that just because a word fits what YOU would be doing if you were in my place, which you are not which therefore also negates your stance entirley, is what I am doing.

You go right on and coddle the underside of humanity, have a great time. I choose not to. If you really don't like my choice, put me on ignore.

As far as accuastions, I have made several guesses and perhaps an accusation or two, but before you go off any further, making accusations as it were, maybe YOU should check IPs, targets, wordings, you know, do some investigating.

There are enough similarities between the two that I would NOT be surprised if they were one and the same. It makes no real difference, unless of course YOU, mike, don't really care WHO is manipulating YOU, personally.

It's kinda funny as far as I'm concerned, but it would surprise me not at all if you didn't get why I think so. That doesn't mean a thing and certainly does not make you any less intelligent that anyone else, but it should bring home the fact that not everyone sees things from the same vantage as you.
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Wes,
The words that you are typing are not supported by your actions.
This non-grudge and non-feud seems to rise to the top in nearly every thread in which you participate. In many cases, the beginning of it is followed by an instigating post from you. Although, Jim F. is just as guilty in my mind.

As far as my assuming, yes I have made attempts in the past to try and understand just what it was that you were trying to accomplish with some of your posts. At this point, I think that there is no point. Don't worry, in the future, I'll not be the one trying to understand your rants.

In the case of this thread, you started it with the obvious intent of engaging another member here. If not, then what other reason was there for this thread? It would seem to me, that the only one he has manipulated is you.

You seem very fond of the ignore feature of late. If you would like to add me to that distinguished group, so be it. It will have no effect on me whatsoever.

I hope that you find what you are looking for.
 
Using a word like rant precludes any conclusion other than the one you have already decided is correct.

There is no need to put you on ignore Mike. YOU own your own words and even try, though unsuccessfully, to see the point of view from another angle. I don't agree with what you say, but have no problem supporting you and your right to say it.

I do that BECAUSE you are honest enough to stand behind what you say.

I DO NOT do that for everyone. I do not let up when I think fraud is being perpetrated. Can you prove that sludgehumper is NOT shrilly? I've got a fair bit of evidence that it IS.

WHY, I ask you, should I sit still and let this go on?

Tell me, how many PMs have you gotten from jim? How many emails? How many communications that he has NOT put here, in public view? I find that behaviour sneaky and though not always, underhanded. That's my opinion of him. That opinion is shared by others, for whom I do NOT claim to speak, but it is known.

Who has used the word fued most? sludge? you? looswheel? It's not a fued, it's a simple stating to the newbs he loves to coddle up to and the memebership who love to forget, that he's a scumbag. They can take or leave my opinion as they see fit but why should I not be as entitled to state my opinion as is anyone else?

I am not here to please anyone. You are not here to please anyone. We are here because we want to be. Need there be more?

Also, sometimes the search in and of itself is sufficient for ongoing seeking and seeing and witnessing just what makes things tick; people as well as the world at large.
 
Wilomn said:
Using a word like rant precludes any conclusion other than the one you have already decided is correct.

There is no need to put you on ignore Mike. YOU own your own words and even try, though unsuccessfully, to see the point of view from another angle. I don't agree with what you say, but have no problem supporting you and your right to say it.

I do that BECAUSE you are honest enough to stand behind what you say.

I DO NOT do that for everyone. I do not let up when I think fraud is being perpetrated. Can you prove that sludgehumper is NOT shrilly? I've got a fair bit of evidence that it IS.

WHY, I ask you, should I sit still and let this go on?

Tell me, how many PMs have you gotten from jim? How many emails? How many communications that he has NOT put here, in public view? I find that behaviour sneaky and though not always, underhanded. That's my opinion of him. That opinion is shared by others, for whom I do NOT claim to speak, but it is known.

Who has used the word fued most? sludge? you? looswheel? It's not a fued, it's a simple stating to the newbs he loves to coddle up to and the memebership who love to forget, that he's a scumbag. They can take or leave my opinion as they see fit but why should I not be as entitled to state my opinion as is anyone else?

I am not here to please anyone. You are not here to please anyone. We are here because we want to be. Need there be more?

Also, sometimes the search in and of itself is sufficient for ongoing seeking and seeing and witnessing just what makes things tick; people as well as the world at large.
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Wes,
We agree on some points and disagree on others. I can live with that.

I guess that I should clarify my use of the word rant. It was not my intention, although I can see how it could be taken that way, that all of your posts here are rants. I find many of your posts insightful. However, there are times where just as many can easily be construed as rants or attacks. It was those posts that i intended to refer to.

As far as Jim F. is concerned, you are mistaken in your assumptions.
I probably have as rocky a history with him as anyone. Although I do agree with him at times, there are just as many times that I feel that he takes an opposing viewpoint just to engage.

To answer your question directly, I have never spoken with him, I don't recall ever having exchanged an email with him, and the one or two pms we have exchanged were always initiated by him. I can only guess that he chose to involve me with the Shrillomn thread due to the fact that we both shared a similar opinion in the thread about Ali from Crazy Cresteds.

As far as this new player (Sledgehammer) I really couldn't care less who he is. As far as I am concerned, he is Ben Martin. He has posted nothing, in my opinion, that warrants any distrust. If anything, he appears to be trying to be a productive member here. If he turns out to be Shrillomn, what have you really learned? That Shrillomn now has two fake accounts. That information will bring you no closer to any discovery of truth.

If other members are so inclined to check IP's and do intensive searches for word usage, then have at it. The computer is a wonderful tool and if that pleases them, then I'm happy for them. I have no desire to spend any time in such endeavors.

Personally, I think that time can be better spent here in other areas.
 
Wilomn said:
Can you prove that sludgehumper is NOT shrilly? I've got a fair bit of evidence that it IS.
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Wes,

This is something you would never give a pass on to someone else, or at least I don't recall you ever having done so in the past. Put your evidence out there or else it's just another "secret plan to win the war".
 
I never asked for a pass Jim. I asked Mike, who seemed to be defending sludge, if he had evidence that he was not someone else.

He has declined to do so, stated perfectly good reasons for doing so and it is now ended.

Mike has better things to do with his time. It's his time and his to decide what is better as opposed to not.

I don't have anything better to do with my time, so I spend it online.
 
Wilomn said:
I never asked for a pass Jim. I asked Mike, who seemed to be defending sludge, if he had evidence that he was not someone else.
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Wes,

I'm not trying trying to pick a fight here. There are enough other people out there doing that. But asking someone to "prove a negative" is kind of hard. Defendants do not have to prove innocence to be found not guilty. It's the accuser that has to make the case. In this case you have made an accusation and stated that you have evidence to back it up. I'm wondering what that evidence is. I have no evidence in support of or contrary to your hypothesis, but I do admit to some curiosity.

I also don't see Mike as really defending Sledghammer, but rather being perhaps more trusting than many of us more skeptical types are. As Mike took Ali at "face value" so has he apparently done with Ben Martin or Ben Dover or whoever he is.
 
Wilomn said:
I never asked for a pass Jim. I asked Mike, who seemed to be defending sludge, if he had evidence that he was not someone else.

He has declined to do so, stated perfectly good reasons for doing so and it is now ended.

Mike has better things to do with his time. It's his time and his to decide what is better as opposed to not.

I don't have anything better to do with my time, so I spend it online.
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Wes,
I declined to answer nothing. I stated:

Mike Greathouse said:
As far as this new player (Sledgehammer) I really couldn't care less who he is. As far as I am concerned, he is Ben Martin. He has posted nothing, in my opinion, that warrants any distrust. If anything, he appears to be trying to be a productive member here. If he turns out to be Shrillomn, what have you really learned? That Shrillomn now has two fake accounts. That information will bring you no closer to any discovery of truth.

If other members are so inclined to check IP's and do intensive searches for word usage, then have at it. The computer is a wonderful tool and if that pleases them, then I'm happy for them. I have no desire to spend any time in such endeavors.
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I felt that was a direct answer to your question. I have not expended any effort to try and prove or disprove his identity. As far as I'm concerned, it just doesn't matter. He has done nothing but attempt to keep threads on topic.
 
Wes,
Think what you will. Based on your history, I'm sure that neither myself nor anyone else can convince you of anything other then what you believe to be true.

I have never intended to attack you. I have simply pointed out your propensity to make nearly every thread that you participate in about you. If I am wrong about you, then I'm sure this will come to light soon enough, and I will state as much publically.

For the record, my name is Ben Martin and I am here to try and help where I can and learn from those that I can.
 
Ok Wes:

I am willing to bite on this, what is it that makes you sure that he is shrill? And does this lead to the real identity of shrill? I do have my curiousity up but want to hear your chain of thought.
 
its a great day for entertainment. I just have to get my tread clicker up and running.
 
Wilomn said:
Check out some IPs. There are some interesting similarities.
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It's right in the first post I made mike.

I don't KNOW it's shrilly, it just has some real close similarities to it.

It is just for entertainment. I don't truly care who it is but I do find it amusing that these clowns come out of the blue because of me.

Paranoid John? Maybe. Probably not though as they actually do seem to be targeting me. Again, of no real matter, just idle speculation. But feel free to get your digs in too, after all, there's no one gunning for me. Is there?
 
I guess you were hitting a little too close for comfort for some folks Wes.

Take it all as a compliment. I would.
 
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