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Just want to speak about Proventamite and chondros...... it IS absolutely safe when used as directed. You do not spray the snake directly. You don't even have to bath the snake, just spray the enclosure, let it dry and 3-4 weeks later, mites are dead, problem solved. I hang in a circle of pretty devout chondro folks and don't recall any of them ever sharing a loss due to PAM. Now I've only had a couple hundred of these snakes, but every one has been exposed to PAM here since I use it as a preventative. I visit herp shops and reptile shows regularly so go for prevention rather than a cure.

I would challenge the "fact" that people have lost otherwise healthy chondros when they have used PAM as directed by the manufacturer. I don't doubt that people have lost chondros after using it but would bet that husbandry error or other illness is the cause of the loss, not the exposure to the dried PAM.

The use of a dirty cage to house any incoming animal into a shop blows me away.

I actually kind of like a shed left in a cage or two to invite questions is a cool idea and seems quite reasonable. I would only allow one shed ever per cage and certainly only a couple in the whole shop on animals that were known to be healthy.

As business/shop owners though we should hold ourselves to the highest standard of husbandry, we need to set an example 100% of the time so that potential buyers that don't have as much experience will clearly see a proper set up so that their new critters can not only survive but thrive in their new owners care. Doesn't have to be fancy, just clean, proper temps, substrate, hide spots and adequate space. Set the animals up to thrive for potential buyers and be there for the owners when they do have questions.

No animals that are being treated for illness should be left where general public can see them. PETA can take a single animal that may be in poor shape when surrounded by hundreds of healthy ones and make a huge fuss about it. We know that PETA hires undercover people to dig up any dirt they can, we shouldn't be helping them....EVER!!!
 
How did the store look when you went in there?

It was an average pet store, I have seen better I have seen a lot worse. I didn't notice any crammed enclosures or snakes like the one pictured. The store was rather small (its in an odd location, crammed in the corner of an outlet mall), but Mike seemed to utilize the space the best he could, animals made up the bulk of the store, the product line wasn't huge.
 
I've never seen mites that big, they are like super duper gigantor sized mites. If in fact those are mites, I can't believe an animal like that with that type of problem could be left on a sales floor for people to see.
 
Dragonlu, that is obvious and a known fact. The snake came in a bag, we saw
mites on it, put it in the tree, segregated. What else do you want to knit pick? Your making it a huge deal, for no reason, and dont know the full story but from someone that has something against us and is plain out lying. We noticed mites on it, placed it in the tree. You do know mites HIDE under scales, in nostrils, eyes, cloaca, etc , and with a yellow stick on top of cage, get the fumes and start walking around? I mean its pretty obivous.
 
Maybe you should have smuggled in some common sense. How is it that you accept & then display an animal with visible mites on it?What about the welfare of your customers?Do you spray them down when they leave?Excuse me for saying this but does your dad know about this thread?He is the owner correct?How does he feel about this?
 
I've bought several animals (pastel ball, adult biak female, juvenile biak and prairie dog) over the past two years from Snake at sunset and I've never had an issue. I visit the store regularly and always do a walk threw and never seen an issue. All animals seem very well taken cared. Every time I've visited someone is always keeping up with the store. People there are alway very cool and there is always a very friendly atmosphere in the store.
 
Lol, schalges, or however you spell it, your just trying to avoid what has been said by re-peating questions from others all over again. Its been clarified already, if your too dense to realize that, then sorry! Store is a family business, I call the shots, I run the store. Ask anyone.
Re-read all the posts and maybe you can answer your own questions.
They were visible, and I said they were. Do you not read?
 
So far the only thing I've seen stated here is that NO there is not a full and PROPER quarantine area in the store for new acquisitions. What we are to consider quarantine is placing the snake in the "display" area still within a few feet of other animals that can very easily contract any illness or parasite that this snake may have brought in.
The way I see it, it doesn't matter if the animals closest to it are only for display purposes, endangering the display animals by tossing a mite infested, history unknown animal in near them, isn't any better than just putting it right out on the "sales floor".
I understand that most pet shops run a little differently than say breeders, but I would think it would be common, best practice to have a separate behind the scenes area for quarantine and treatment of all new animals.
And from the information I've seen about mites, they can very easily slip through the cracks, end up on a customer's clothing and then have a quick and easy travel route all through the shop and even back home with your customers. That is why quarantine should not be within public view where the general public has easy access to this animal. If it were recently infected with a much more serious illness than mites, but not showing symptoms yet, you could be endangering the collections of every customer that comes into your shop and comes near that animal. I don't think all illnesses necessarily require them to be hands on with the animal to pick something up and have it travel with them.
 
yes, very much so. We didnt notice a mite on it, till we closer inspected it for setting it up, then noticed a few. So we had no option but to put it there, or we could have run the risk of spreading mites in our store.

Dragonlu, that is obvious and a known fact. The snake came in a bag, we saw
mites on it, put it in the tree, segregated.


Which is it? That is why you are being questioned, you have contradicted yourself here. :shrug01:
 
I think what he is saying is that he got it delivered in a bag, then after receiving it and the person who gave it to him left he took it out of the bag to put on sale and it had the mites.

Why not look at it before accepting it? They would have been very obvious, they would not grow that big in just 30 mins between you getting it and the OP arriving like you said.

Another snakes shed? That is kind of odd to keep it with a new snake, why not put it with the snake that shed. I hope you treat the sheds before they get thrown out or else the mites could be on that, get into your garbage, and then back into your other snakes.

Maybe the sheds were left there so it looked like the snake has shed twice and is a good shedder? Do you tell customers that it is another snakes shed? Or assume that they know that the one for sale may not have shed or does not have perfect sheds? If they are kept to attract attention, why do that with this snake? You would assume that you would do what you can to avoid it getting any attention. Put sheds in once it's treated and for sale if that's what you guys do....
 
Also, anyone who lives close or S@S, please try to get a pictures up as soon as you can. That would really help everyone understand exactly how everything is set up. This thread is going to be a he said she said argument about who's lying until proof can be posted. And so far the only proof is the one picture that we have to go by.
 
You "cant" close the store mid day and take it home? What? Are you claiming to be the only employee?

IF I received a snake with mites and I was here alone.........I would call someone in the "family" business to pick it up, call a friend, a loyal customer. Anyone. If that didn't work I WOULD put a sign on the door that said "Emergency- snake arrived with mites taking it to quarantine- be right back" I GUARANTEE that no one would be upset about that, maybe even give the waiting customers a discount upon return. People appreciate good husbandry. This isn't the fast food business. No one comes in a hurry.

It has been claimed the OP has a personal vendetta of some sort. How so? Can you back up that claim?

I have been to your Dads store, BEFORE it was your dads store. I lived in South Florida for 7 years. It was a nice store then. My personal decisions have been made here. The responses from Sunset speak for themselves. I have no more 2 cents :)
 
I've bought many many many critters from Mike over the years...from way back when he was a kid to just a couple weeks ago. I can say that I've never gotten anything in that had any problems, mites, or anything else.

This really is sounding like the OP has a personal problem with Mike more than anything.

I worked in an all reptile shop for several years and the quarantine for that small shop was simply treat the snake & cage for mites and mark it as NFS until it had fed a couple times. Yes the animals were on display, yes they were near other animals.....because there wasn't enough room for an entire chunk of the store to be dedicated to quarantine. I imagine that most shops are like that, I doubt very many have the luxury of an additional quarantine space where everything can go and live for 3 months to make sure it is tip top. That isn't realistic in any sense for a retail shop. You do the best you can with what you've got available. Seems to me that is exactly what Mike is doing.

The smuggling comment. That is just petty and sad to feel the need to bring that up in this thread. Hope it made you feel like a big guy to say that.
 
Both quotes are basically saying the exact same thing Kyle.

Make sure there is a point to make before you attempt to make it :shrug01:

NO John, that not they way I read it. To me the first quote says: we got the snake and then while putting it on display we noticed the snake and the second quote says: the snake came in a bag and we noticed mites on in before we put it up and because of this we segregated it. One speaks to noticing mites on a snake while putting it on display, the second speaks to putting a snake that you have already noticed mites on display. Two very different things.

Make sure you understand the point I am trying to make before trying to blast it.:thumbsup:
 
You "cant" close the store mid day and take it home? What? Are you claiming to be the only employee?

IF I received a snake with mites and I was here alone.........I would call someone in the "family" business to pick it up, call a friend, a loyal customer. Anyone. If that didn't work I WOULD put a sign on the door that said "Emergency- snake arrived with mites taking it to quarantine- be right back" I GUARANTEE that no one would be upset about that, maybe even give the waiting customers a discount upon return. People appreciate good husbandry. This isn't the fast food business. No one comes in a hurry.

It has been claimed the OP has a personal vendetta of some sort. How so? Can you back up that claim?

I have been to your Dads store, BEFORE it was your dads store. I lived in South Florida for 7 years. It was a nice store then. My personal decisions have been made here. The responses from Sunset speak for themselves. I have no more 2 cents :)


Somehow Wendy a moral tirade on business ethics and proper husbandry rings a little hollow and tinny coming from you given your history.

"Let she who is without sin throw the first Swastika or tube of KY Jelly"

It's a bit like Dan Scolaro lecturing someone on proper customer service and Email etiquette.

Anyone else here actually think Mike should have closed down the store, put "Emergency Mites" signs up and run screaming down the street with the animal? Give me a break. What is it?...A slow news day?

The animal came in, Mites were noticed and it was popped into a cage temporarily in an area that he considered secure from the other animals. Short term, quick stopgap solution. He didn't take time to remove a couple of sheds before putting the animal in there...who cares? It wasn't it's permanent quarters, just a place to put the animal for a short time till treatment could be administered. Would it have been better to put it out of sight? Sure. Apparently that wasn't an option though at that moment


Give it a rest people. The horse was thoroughly beaten and deceased by page two of this thread
 
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