SnakeSnare.com - Self Explanitory

[BriarpatchHerps]

There's a new company out building its name and bank account on the mutilation of wild serpents. I'm not sure if Rich has a better place for this post or not but they instantly hit the bad guy list in my book.

http://www.snakesnare.com/product_info.php

 

[DThomas]

And right in my own backyard too....

http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=snakesnare.com&x=59&y=13


Registrant Contact:
SnakeSnare, LLC
John Keyloun ([email protected])
+1.6027283336
Fax: +1.6027283336
1201 S. McClintock Dr. #114
Tempe, AZ 85281
US

Administrative Contact:
SnakeSnare, LLC
John Keyloun ([email protected])
+1.6027283336
Fax: +1.6027283336
1201 S. McClintock Dr. #114
Tempe, AZ 85281
US

Technical Contact:
SnakeSnare, LLC
John Keyloun ([email protected])
+1.6027283336
Fax: +1.6027283336
1201 S. McClintock Dr. #114
Tempe, AZ 85281
US

Billing Contact:
SnakeSnare, LLC
John Keyloun ([email protected])
+1.6027283336
Fax: +1.6027283336
1201 S. McClintock Dr. #114
Tempe, AZ 85281
US

 

[nicolai]

what a way to make money..

I wish i had a bogus credit card number so i could order 5000 of them and ship them to siberia of something and put them out of business.Needless to say I left them a nasty email to let them know how i feel about thier business.
Nick Bonn

 

[Tripple H Herps]

All I have to say here is, "that I am speechless." Its disgusting to see this happening. I wish more people would get educated on how snakes help the environment and are not "evil serpents" as they are so stated. Maybe this John guy should sell snake grabbers and bags rather then death traps???

 

[cavu]

The thread would not open so I went to the home page and here is what I got:

"Snakes are hibernating, see you next Summer. Thanks for your interest in SnakeSnare. "

What is all this about?

MIke Blackston

 

[Tripple H Herps]

I don’t know maybe he received enough nasty emails. Got scared and hid in a corner. "or at least I hope"

 

[Tripple H Herps]

What is all this about?

If you had not already seen the website. It was a website based on a new "product" that killed snakes by removing there head in a wire like device.

 

[ChaosCat]

Here is an excerpt:

"SnakeSnare® is the least expensive engineered product in the industry for catching snakes. Perfect for neighborhoods, golf courses, and community locations where gunfire is impractical or illegal. SnakeSnare® can capture a snake for relocation but is designed for instant decapitation. Many neighborhoods feel that a good snake is a dead snake. Hunters use the SnakeSnare® to harvest valuable skins without damaging the snake by shotgun blast. The skin and meat are more saleable with instant decapitation."

 

[Tim Cole]

Snake decapitation device...

I saw the website before it went down. Due to all of our e-mails I'm sure. They are selling a device basically made of a cable, a handle, and a pipe. It is sold as a complete unit or you can supply the pipe and assemble it yourself. They promote it as a safe tool to humanely move snakes (venomous or not), or it can be used to decapitate the snake. Here is a copy of the letter I sent:

John,
Your lack of concern for the environment is appalling. Most snakes are very beneficial and harmless ones which indirectly keep the venomous ones away by feeding on the same food source of rodents. To realistically rid the area of snakes, eliminate the rodents which are more harmful to us and the environment than the snakes! I would also expect there to be a liability issue with your product in the hands of the general public which has limited knowledge of snakes. To avoid getting bitten, leave the snake ALONE! The average snake bite in the USA comes about from someone trying to capture, molest, or kill the snake. Your device will injure a struggling snake so it is not a humane device as described.

In this day and age we try to educate the public about conservation and the environment which effects us all. YOU have taken this effort back to the Stone Age! When all of our food crops have been eaten by rodents who will you blame? This has happened to several third world countries already. Cleaning up the yard or property not only looks good but is the most effective way to rid the area of unwanted snakes. It's that easy! When I want to find snakes where do I go? Not to the woods, but to abandoned and occupied human habitation that has trash and debris which harbors the food source (rodents) and provides cover for the snakes.

Your device is a cruel instrument and will probably result in several bites with it's use. Using your device is cruelty and in Texas animal cruelty is a federal offense. Having been an Animal Control Officer I have dealt with animal cruelty and the courts. I expect you will be too in the near future!

Tim Cole

 

[Tripple H Herps]

Very well done Tim. I sent them ane mail very similare to yours as well. I tried to be freindly so that they did not think I was just some crazy person. Below is my email:

I just thought I would tell you. Your product brings chills to my spine. At the whole thought of decapitating a living snake! Do you know snakes will feel pain for almost 3 to 4 hours after decapitation. There ability to process on low blood sugar causes this inconceivable thought to be reality. I am not telling you how to run your life but PLEASE stop selling these products. I am not an animal rights activist and infact I cant stand them but this is mindless killing of a creature that is in fact needed for this planets biological functions. Maybe you should sell snake grabbers with long pools and foldable bags so that people can redeposit the snake back in the wilderness. This mindless killing of innocent creatures needs to stop. The less people that do it the better. I hope you understand what I am saying and do not just brush me off as some sort of nut job.

Thanks, Jim
Herpetologist
C/F Tripple H Herps

 

[Rockford]

Great Job!!!

Great job on those e-mails. Hopefully he will reconsider his selling efforts. I would imagine there might be a liability issue if a kid were to get his hands on one of these and use it improperly(if there is a proper way to use them) and get bit by a venomous snake.

If you notice on the website he said using it to relocate a snake as well. How do you relocate it....if it were venemous? Does it come with directions? What a schmuck this guy is!!!

Anyway, well done.

Brett Thacker

 

[Damon Theis]

I also saw the site before it was pulled. Tim, very nice job on the letter.
That "snare" was designed for one thing; and it was not relocation.

 

[Tim Cole]

More Description details...

A member of another list saved his cache from his visit of the website. Here are the details:

"Product Information

a.. Lightweight
b.. Cost effective
c.. Clean
d.. Weight: 3.5 lbs
e.. Dimensions: 3/4" x 60" (it's five feet long)
SnakeSnare® SnakeSnare® Lite
a.. Fully assembled SnakeSnare®.
a.. Ships in a 60" cardboard tube.
a.. US $35.00 (includes shipping and taxes)
a.. Order Now
a.. "Do-It-Yourself" SnakeSnare®. Assembly required.*
a.. Ships in an envelope. You provide the 60" pipe. All other parts
included.**
a.. US $15.00 (includes shipping and taxes)
a.. Order Now


* Required tools: a drill with 1/8" drill bit, a knife or scissors, "vise"
pliers or other pliers, and a pop rivet tool.

** Included parts: compression fittings, 480 lb cable, caps for pipe, custom
foam grip, 5" T handle, pop rivets, assembly diagram.

SnakeSnare® is the least expensive engineered product in the industry for
catching snakes. Perfect for neighborhoods, golf courses, and community
locations where gunfire is impractical or illegal.

SnakeSnare® can capture a snake for relocation but is designed for instant
decapitation. Many neighborhoods feel that a good snake is a dead snake.
Hunters use the SnakeSnare® to harvest valuable skins without damaging the
snake by shotgun blast. The skin and meat are more saleable with instant
decapitation.


Top 10 Uses

a.. Use SnakeSnare® to capture a poisonous snake and relocate it to a
better environment; up close and personal snake traps

b.. Use SnakeSnare® to kill a dangerous snake instead of using a firearm,
especially if gunfire is illegal;

c.. Use SnakeSnare® to harvest valuable snake skins without damaging the
snake by shotgun blast;

d.. Use SnakeSnare® to instantly decapitate a snake. The skin and meat are
more saleable with instant decapitation;

e.. Use SnakeSnare® to kill dangerous rattlesnakes and vipers and other
snake breeds;

f.. Use SnakeSnare® instead of expensive snake tongs for snake hunting and
snake catching;

g.. Use SnakeSnare® to catch snakes for snake control and relocation to
other snake habitat;

h.. Use SnakeSnare® to kill unwanted snakes such as cottonmouth,
copperhead, viper;

i.. Use SnakeSnare® to hunt for snakes and reptiles with this manual snake
trap;

j.. Use SnakeSnare® to remove snakes from golf courses, public areas,
camping sites, mobile home parks, trailer parks."



Looks pretty grim. Lets hope they take it off the market due to the pressure put on them today. I would say we are headed in the right direction with the closing of their site.

 

[ms_terese]

WHOA!!

I believe I saw that they were in Arizona? Is that legal there?

In Missouri, you'd get arrested for setting traps like that. There's no "season" for harvesting native snakes, and therefore not legal to kill them unless it's a confrontation with a venomous animal and you're in danger.

How horrible.

 

[IanV]

Hey Guys,
I was contacted by them a while back to test out the snares. I agreed to it before I saw the decapitation part on his website.
I have used the snare a few times to help hold on to a slippery annie or rock, but otherwise they are just not worth it unfortunately.
Good to deal with though, just not a product I can back anymore.

Ian van Natter

 

[IanV]

Oh Yeah, he isn't in Arizona anymore, but I don't think it fair to say where he is.

The snare worked great for holding cages open. I used it to try to hold on to some slippery snakes (mid-body of course) but couldn't tighten it enough to hold on well.

Just to say, the guy isn't evil. We may not agree with what he does, but we can educate instead of flood him with nasty emails.

Ian van Natter

 

[Tim Cole]

Error of their Ways...

Ian,
If you know how to contact them, maybe you could point out this thread along with all of the others concerning their butchery.

 

[Tim Cole]

Educate him?

I would be surprised if that was possible in light of his actions. I'm glad the website is down and I feel we accomplished something by that. Maybe after all of the protesting and educated mail he received he will take it off the market!
And I thought Rattlesnake Round-ups was on the front battle lines. We can only persist. I believe the numbers of letters may be more effective than the contents of the letters providing they are well written with uneducated being the word to use instead of @#*^% words!

 

[IanV]

I am posting here regarding some of the emails that John has been receiving.
While I do not have a problem with anyone emailing him explaining that killing snakes (in our opinions) is wrong, when it comes to personal threats and such, that crosses the line into criminal activities.
John lives right next to one of my cousins and he contacted me to see if I could help him test them out since he wanted to market these for restraining snakes in the same line as hooks and tongs. The product works great, just a little bit to hard to get it to hold on to a slippery annie or rock without hurting the snake.
I know he made them for himself and people in the past who used them to legally hunt rattlesnakes for meat or skin. I do not think John made these for people to go willy-nilly to kill everything that slithers.
John is a good guy, even if you do not like his opinion on things. While I do not support people killing snakes legally, I also do not see the problem (if it is legal). IF you do not like the product, a simple email explaining WHY you do not like the product is much better than threats, so please keep it civil if you feel you must contact him.
Instead of being hateful, why dont you try to educate him that we do not support the killing of snakes (Though I am sure most of us are fine with it as long as it is not against the law in the area). With a little work, I feel the product could become as useful as a hook or tong. I also feel that they can be used by those who are scared of snakes to properly catch snakes to be released far away from their neighborhoods or homes.
[/ rant off]
Let's just keep it civil guys. Education is best in cases like this.

Thanks,
Ian van Natter

 

[IanV]

By the way, this was not a direct assault on anyone, I am just sharing my views. If you are offended by something I said, then feel free to contact me and we can talk through it off the forum.

Thanks!
Ian van Natter