So you like hybrids???

all of the hybridizers I have met have a "crank" issue...wanting to stick out in a crowd, so to speak.
That being said, I really have nothing against hybrids...and have seen some really pretty animals come from crossing. Don't really see the need for them myself, but hell's bells...to each his own.
I just get bored by all the crowing and self promotion...yawn.
greg
 
What an interesting read. If you haven't done so, take a look at the reply from Seamus Haley in the "I Think Hybrids Are Great" thread below. It is nice to see such an intelligent and informed response.

Philosophically, I would suggest that everyone has a line they are not willing to cross. Some "purists" are opposed to hybridization. Others are opposed to keeping snakes captive in rubbermaid containers. If the goal is to have viable progeny available to release in the wild, then what do we say about species that are not endangered? It's like the f/t food issue. The people who rant and rave about rodents being raised as food for snakes, generally don't think about how their steak made it into the grocery store, or what the ingredients are in the kibble they feed their cherished lap dog.

Honesty seems to be the key - and the problem. We need to be responsible in our choices and honest in our representation of the animals we sell. And before we judge anyone else, we need to take an honest look at ourselves. It can be a very humbling proposition.
 
I am totally cool with hybrids as long as they are 100% labeled. If Im getting a hybrid I want to know. But yeah everyone has their limitations and barriers and they must be respected.
 
think about it! is what we are doing truely wrong?? no

actually im not on a power trip, and im not trying to stand out in producing borneoballs, im taking my love for 2 different speices and making it one. and as far as taxonomy goes, what do we really know, we just give them names and lables for what we think we really know when we ourselves can not truely dig deep enough into the bloodlines of the animals and see true relation between species. for if you havent noticed there are animals like a certain specie of sand boa which lays eggs. and ive never heard of any other kinda of boa doing that, so maybe somewhere down the line there is some python in those boas. hell snakes are alllllll snakes, just because of location, or habbitat, or how they like to live and what they like to eat doesnt mean there is no relation between species far away from each other or from all the species at all! there use to be only one land mass on this planet, "pangea" and at that one time all the evolving species were just about incontact with each other, and since all the species were not developed from the single cell organism differently they all basically orginated from each other. so far down the line there are ties! just like human beings if you think about it. we are all hybrids too. since when is there one single type of person from a certain location that is soo isolated that there bloodlines never crossed with anyone else??? very less likely! and im more then positively sure that wile you sit here and read this there are animals hybridizing themselves of there own free will. and im more then positive of this because i myself have capture a hybrid before, the proof is out there. and its not like all the hybrids are gonna get out in teh wild and destroy the animals that live in nature and will continue to reprouce pure species. you act like as if the hybrids are gonna get on a boat and go to countries all over and destroy the pure animals in the wild. IT WONT HAPPEN! and with what control people have over hybrids now, and all snakes for that matter, say one hybrid does get out, well let see were in america first off, so it will more then likely die lonely with no offspring. well say one gets out in the wild. like a jungle corn gets out and breeds to a king and corn, well the fertility rate is low anyway, and lets not forget the hybrid curse. and then you have to factor in nature! will it find food? will it become food? will it survive. you people are over reacting to this whole hybrid thing. you yourself are a hybrid, y dont we say your condemmed to hell, and that you shouldnt have children because they will be muts too! yeah thats right.

and i myself plan on representing my animals as what they are. BEAUTIFUL RARE COMPLEX WONDERFUL ANIMALS and i wont sell them as anything less, if infact i plan on selling any, since this is my own project. and i have plans for these hyrbids which people see nothing in. which there is more potential then anything!!!!! most of the reason you people dont like hybrids is because your views are opinionated and you havent heard it from the side of the creater of the hyrbids and truely seen any or worked with any or produced any. its all opinionated and you have to be contraversial about a subject like this. most of the people that produce hybrids are doing it for there love of the speices themselves and would like to see how great the speices could be together. personally your ither for hybrids or agiasnt them, but they are bringing about a change to herpetoculture as we speak.

When jungle corns came out 20 or so years ago i never heard anyone complaining, what about the creamsicle morph of corns? thats a hybrid but you dont say a word when you ad it to your colubrid collection and then breed it to your others thinking its pure, well its not, and you dont seem to mind. im sure there alot of you out there who own unpure animals and ither dont know or dont mind and think its ok to an extent but wont see past that.

I myself use to loath hybrids, until i saw the most beautiful animal ever! A superball produce by Steve Roussis. and still to this day ive never seen a more beautiful animal in my life. and upon reading about them i became obsessed and inthralled with the animal. so now i plan on producing some of my own just for me, and maybe some of my friends who would like some of there own.

so if you actually read all of this, is what im doing really wrong? am i causing a crime against nature? i dont think so.

jeff
 
Quote:"actually im not on a power trip, and im not trying to stand out in producing borneoballs"

then why oh why are you blathering on and on about it???? Yep, you have some snakes breeding. Cool. Ok, next issue...

greg
 
well what are you doing right now that your actually proud of? doesnt seem like you have anything to show for of yourself and your work? wow you do art, how interesting and exciting i would be thrilled and shakin out of my seat to get in on that action. its not like i asked you personnally to come over and shoot me down, just because im proud of something that i greatly wanted to acomplish. its not like i asked your personnal opinion about what im doing, like how i just kinda picked out your art work and made a slanderous remark. and part of this forum i think is called "HYBRIDIZATION" NOT "TROLLS RANT AGAINST HYBRIDS"
 
Uh, I am actually quite happy with the work I am doing with animals...thanks for asking about what you have no clue about though...
As far as the trolling comment goes, didn't you somewhat set yourself up here?
Wow. You have a pair of different species mating. Wow. That is sooo cool. You must be really important.

Does that make your pathetic ego feel better???
go listen to your Britney Spears CD again.

greg
 
themselves said:
actually im not on a power trip, and im not trying to stand out in producing borneoballs,

so if you actually read all of this, is what im doing really wrong? am i causing a crime against nature? i dont think so.

jeff
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Let me give you credit for minimal intelligence because that is all I've seen evidence of as yet.

I think you ARE trying to stand out and I suspect that you know all about how this issue divides people. Then again, perhaps you are dumb as a turnip. But, since I've given for minimal intelligence I'll stick with the theory that you are smart enough to know that opinions are polarized, and I won't even explain what the big words mean. This time.

It seems that you ARE trying to incite some argument here. Why? If you don't care what anyone thinks of what you are doing, why are you so antagonistic? If you think what you are doing is soooo cool, why do you seek affirmation? I ask NOT for my own knowledge, I truly don't care what you do so long as you honestly represent your animals, but so you yourself can ask yourself the questions I have posited.

Here's some unasked for advice. Do what you want, take pride in it regardless of what ANYONE else thinks, remain honest and make yourself happy. The rest is just poking the bear with a stick, fun until the bear wakes up and kicks your ass and eats your head. Is THAT what you're looking for?
 
themselves said:
its not like i asked you personnally to come over and shoot me down. its not like i asked your personnal opinion about what im doing,
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Actually you did request personal opinions with your title of this thread:

So you like hybrids???

You see those 3 squigglies with the dots under them you put at the end of the subject? (< theres one too) Those are question marks, which imply you were looking for input and opinions on the subject. I believe this type of punctuation was covered in grammar school.
 
Jeff,

Out of curiousity I went and looked through your post history. The last four posts you have put up here on Fauna have been about hybrids.
I get the distinct sense that the posts are like lightning rods, designed to draw controversy; and yet you seem so defensive when you get the anticipated results. What's up with that?

Don't turn into one of those sad one note people who spend their entire lives defending one little issue. Sure, people have feelings about hybridization one way or another, but you are getting your knickers in a knot about it and as against all the other issues you could spend your energy defending in this world, this is insignificant stuff, small potatoes.

Unless of course you have the soul of a troll and just enjoy controversy.
 
One good thing that has been done is some older threads have been brought to the top and I have been reading some well-written responses by some people I respect greatly due to their impeccable reputations and their propensity for not getting into pissing matches on this forum.

I guess I was kind of on both sides of the fence and reading those posts has helped me develope a firmer and more informed opinion...quite the opposite of the wishy-washy one I used to have.

Even though Jeff may have started out trying to wad everyone's undies some good may have come out of it. I now know more than I did yesterday. Everyday one learns something is not ever wasted.

Posting in multiple threads and tooting your own horn to the exclusion of all others is not a way to either get your point across or make new friends and influence people, Jeff. It does get you attention and perhaps that is what you were after. Negative attention is still attention. My children used to do that when they were little.
 
i admit defeat, i understand that some people dont like hybrids and that some love them, and you cant tell someone something that they dont want to hear, and you cant teach someone something they dont want to learn, and i guess there are alot of ignorant people in this world, so ill admit that ive learned im one of them. but thats what makes the world go round, differences so i guess most of are right if you consider me ignorant because i rereading alot of my post found some of it very drastic and ignorant just to make a point, i guess im basically the propogandist, not you all. i was just being so opinionated about the subject that i made a fool of myself. i hold nothing agianst any of you for having your own opinions. and all of your thought provoking words have made me think about the whole subject in a whole, not just from my side but yours too. so i guess ive learned some sort of a valuable lesson about myself, that i contradicted myself. we all learn something new everyday.
 
That, sir, is possibly the most egotistical apology I have ever had the displeasure of reading...
So, we "all" are just too dang ingnorant for your sort of "highbrow" justifications for breeding two animals that would never mate naturally???

Wow. and again...Wow. You take the cake as being number one D*ckhead in my book, replacing Peruvianfanatic, which does take some doing...congratulations!

I only wish you and Adam would procreate, that way I could loathe two birds at the same time....

greg
 
p.s.
that will teach ME to get mad and type to fast..."ingnorant"??? Jeez...hold on, I need a cold beer...long day of doing nothing but art...(I know, so boring)
 
cthulhu77 said:
That, sir, is possibly the most egotistical apology I have ever had the displeasure of reading...
So, we "all" are just too dang ingnorant for your sort of "highbrow" justifications for breeding two animals that would never mate naturally???

Wow. and again...Wow. You take the cake as being number one D*ckhead in my book, replacing Peruvianfanatic, which does take some doing...congratulations!

I only wish you and Adam would procreate, that way I could loathe two birds at the same time....

greg
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Now now Greg, this guy is NO WHERE near the eogtistical buttwad that mikey wimpypole is, at least not as far as I'm concerned. Afterall there seems to be the remote possibility of the slight chance of a miraculous occurance with THIS guy and with mikey, he's dumb as a sunburnt turd and ALWAYS will be.

I do agree though that as far as appologies go that one sucked. It's a shame that most folks think that they personally are the pinnalce of the intelligence pyramid when in fact they're just one of the base blocks like the rest of us.
 
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