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SpitFire Reptiles ARE SNAKE KILLERS!!!

What I am saying is that Yasser could have taken teh high road. Was he in his rights to not accept: yes. But clsoe one can of worms and open another. To say there wasn't a different way to handle things of either parties aprt is assinine.

And yes, everyone makes errors. I'm not saying Yasser is a bad guy by no means.
 
I am going to

I am going to have to disagree with you, I don't think SpitFire should be held accountable for the cruelty to the snake, There is NO proof that the snake arrived alive!!! Its plain and simple, the guy chose to skimp on the shipping, and killed his own snake because of his cheapness, how is that Yassers problem. What looks bad is that he is shipping animals illegally and for him to ship USPS shows HE is the one that does not care about his animals. He should be the one charged with animal cruelty.
 
I am saying that a call to the USPS stating what is happening couldn't ahve been made? " Hey this is Yasser, so and son is sending me a snake. I know it is illegal and I will not accept it. Please turn it over to the SPCA or soemone as I am concerned about its condition."
 
Once again

Once again...your implying that the snake was alive at that point, How many times have people posted threads regaurding thier dead snakes that where shipped through USPS....I can count tons...Infact I will try and track them down for you....In my opinion the poor snake was probably already dead by the time it arrived to the local USPS. Your not getting the point that shipping the snake USPS was not Yassers idea, nor his problem, The shipper chose to ship a snake illegally and threw a carrier that is notorious for having live animals perish during transit, just to save a few bucks....Its plain as day.....
 
This is yet the third thread Mr. Sanchez has tried to start due to the posts in his thread.

This thread should be merged with the other or simply deleted for the fact the Terry has not signed it with his real name.

The USPS spent two days in transit before it even reached Yasser.

Terry you’re a real genius
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82824
 
romad119 said:
I am saying that a call to the USPS stating what is happening couldn't ahve been made? " Hey this is Yasser, so and son is sending me a snake. I know it is illegal and I will not accept it. Please turn it over to the SPCA or soemone as I am concerned about its condition."
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Again, doing that is admitting that HE broke the law. The fact that he didn't know it was being shipped that way is not an excuse. Both the sender and the recipient are guilty of a crime. So if he made that call he would have been confessing to a felony.

I don't think I can make it clearer than that. The absolute last thing anyone wants to do is to inform the Postal Service that they have a snake and that your name is on the box. That's a sure way to get the Postal Inspectors to your door.
 
Right, we don't know when it died. I am stating that things could have been done differently. How I would have acted would have been different. As some of you would have or wouldn't.
 
Alan they can't turn it over to the SPCA and if they did more laws would be broken. They are not like UPS and Fedex who will do this or that with a package if you ask them, USPS has limitations on what they can or can't do with someones mail. Hey I think we can all agree the snake got the short end here but put the blame where it belongs IE the Shipper. Randy
 
romad119 said:
Right, we don't know when it died. I am stating that things could have been done differently. How I would have acted would have been different. As some of you would have or wouldn't.
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Your darn right things could have been done differently, This Scott...whatever his name is, could have done the right thing and sent the snake the correct way via an Overnight carrier that works with live animals....But instead he chose to save a few bucks....Whats assinine is for him to ship a snake and have it take 2 days in transit only for it to die and then he has the nerve to come on here and slander the seller...Come on now...This thread should not be about the poor snake, it should be about this "scottsserpents" guy and how ludacris he is..
 
I posted in the other thread that I would have accepted the snake. I admit it probably would have been stupid on my part. I don't think any less of Yassar for not taking receipt of the shipment. That was his decision and evidently most would have done the same thing.

Jim I find it hard to believe though, that if someone expects an item to arrive by legal means with another carrier, and it suddenly shows up illegally at their door, they will be held accountable by reporting the incident. Stranger things have happened to be sure but this would be right up there. So, as I alluded to in the other thread, refuse shipment and tell the postmaster why.

It just would have been hard for me to sit by and refuse a package for 3 days in a row knowing that there was an animal's life at stack.

And finally, this should be a General Business ethics discussion not a BOI bad guy case.
 
I just disagree with throwing the Lacey Act out there like that. Because I'd bet my whole collection, that if it had arrived via fedex it would have been accepted. 99% chance it would have arrived without the required markings to be on there. Now would the Lacey Act have been referenced then? Hmmmm.....
 
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Because I'd bet my whole collection, that if it had arrived via fedex it would have been accepted. QUOTE]

Your probably right...Yes it would have been accepted, and yasser would probably had a live snake in his collection, BUT...it took 2 days for it to arrive...I can almost guarentee that the snake was NOT alive when it arrived to the local USPS....I would not hold SpitFire responsible for this what so ever....
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ExecutiveReptiles said:
I meant he has the nerve to slander the recieving party (yasser)..That shows how "business like" this guy is...I don't think I have ever seen a more insane BOI post in while...People like him make me
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Coming from Terry, who edited his ads to make another buyer appear to be lying about the information contained in the ad, I wouldn't expect anything in the way of professionalism.
 
romad119 said:
I just disagree with throwing the Lacey Act out there like that. Because I'd bet my whole collection, that if it had arrived via fedex it would have been accepted. 99% chance it would have arrived without the required markings to be on there. Now would the Lacey Act have been referenced then? Hmmmm.....
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Probably not. But FedEx is unlikely to (almost certain not to) report you. The Postal Service can and will prosecute you themselves. There's the difference. But your point is valid.
 
ExecutiveReptiles said:
romad119 said:
Because I'd bet my whole collection, that if it had arrived via fedex it would have been accepted. QUOTE]

Your probably right...Yes it would have been accepted, and yasser would probably had a live snake in his collection, BUT...it took 2 days for it to arrive...I can almost guarentee that the snake was NOT alive when it arrived to the local USPS....I would not hold SpitFire responsible for this what so ever....
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I wholly agree with you on that. What doesn't sit good and this applies to many, though its seemingly appearing that I am focusing on this thread, is that people will and can reference certain aspects of the Lacey Act (or other laws, etc.) but ignore other parts as convenient.

So yes, choosing USPS from reliability alone is a very bad business practice in and of itself. I will accept the other aspects of wrongfulness from Lacey Act compliant personnel only. LOL
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Well there is the difference in that USPS does not ship snakes(knowingly) and Fedex does. As far as writing on the box what is in it as required, well your right few do. Randy
 
romad119 said:
...So yes, choosing USPS from reliability alone is a very bad business practice in and of itself...
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Regardless of reliability (or lack of)...USPS is an agency of the US government! If someone ships a prohibited item through them, I'd think it's a bit more severe than just breaking a company policy.
 
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