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Status check and poll on recent crack down

Has the recent enforcement of the rules been successful?

  • Yes, and stay the course.

    Votes: 30 46.9%

  • Somewhat, but scale back a bit.

    Votes: 29 45.3%

  • Not really, so roll back to the way it used to be.

    Votes: 5 7.8%

  • No, you need to try something else entirely. See post.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    64
WebSlave said:
I guess I just set my sights too high with this place.
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Keep the faith; stay the course .

There are MANY who appreciate this site and the freedom the structure brings, freedom not to be victims, free to enjoy reptiles and make new friendships.

It is often the case that a small minority which is loud and obtrusive can hide a much larger group that is perfectly happy and appreciative, although quieter.


There are 27,000 registered participants, most of them go quietly about their business, enjoying your site and don't give you grief. True?
 
Rich,
You are right that it may never achieve your highest wishes, as so many things often never do. But the self-evaluation that I always use for a task or business, or even when looking in the mirror, is "am I getting better, or am I getting worse"? I am sure that you are familiar with it, just as in evaluating things or people (like me) as being "part of the problem or part of the solution". I obviously enjoy the banter with you, but do not want it to be to the point of being "worse." Its not personal, as you know I banter with all. And yes, based on our discussions yesterday, I was also aware of things moving in the direction of the penalty modification prior to our PM exchanges about it. I have spent too much time here in the last 24 as well. Work to do.
 
A further tidbit of clarification.

The entity that I advised to "keep it simple-stupid" in the thread, Alex, and for whom I was cited and fined for calling him "stupid", posted this tonight in the thread:

You can be a good guy, bad guy, scammer, lurker, "simple-Stupid" (yes, I knew what you were implying and didnt take offense to it) .......
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For the record, he was using all the other words as examples as well, for no one was called a scammer or lurker either. So if the supposed target of my name-calling, which was not name-calling, says he wasn't called a name, ...... well, I thank Alex for his honesty and for making my point.
 
Chamco said:
And John, I realize the word "You" was in the sentance, but the adage contains the word "it". The hypenated "simple-stupid" modifies the word "it", but I thank you for the attempted English lesson! I do not dispute that those with less a grasp of the English language may have focused on the "you", or those with a bone-to-pick (what a concept there, eh?).
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You are very good at insulting people in a veiled way. The above is a perfect example. It is statements like this one that lead me to believe you knew you were saying Alex is stupid and you figured the hyphen would be your premeditated "save". Obviously I'm not the only one who feels that way. Really you post veiled and not so veiled comments, then when they catch Rich's attention and you are given points you run over to this thread and nit pick Rich's decisions and enforcement. I initially had many of the same concerns you are voicing, it is one of the reason's I stopped posting in the BOI. If you would realize your clever, and much superior grasp of the English language is not hiding your "innocent" comments, and lived with it[penalties] or stopped posting in such a way, things would probably be a bit smoother for all concerned. JMHO
 
John, maybe you were typing when my last post went up. I didn't have to "veil" anything there, but if you want a conspiracy theory, go for it. What is clear is the many resources available which document my adage. What is now also clear (see above) is that the person I allegedly called "stupid" got the point about the adage as well. This quote from you is fun:

It is statements like this one that lead me to believe you knew you were saying Alex is stupid and you figured the hyphen would be your premeditated "save". Obviously I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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In a "veiled way", you just called me a liar? Now, if I wanted to point out the hypocrisy in your post, and were to say "its the pot calling the kettle black", am I to fear a fine for using a racial slur if you report it as such? I don't need "veils" in my posts John. I like to stay on-topic, not attack character, and as the adage says "keep it simple-stupid", meant completely in accordance with the links I provided earlier. You may not have liked my post about how you misconstrued my words, but I did not infer that you had character issues as you have just done to me. Good grief !
 
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Effective today, ALL warning points have been cleared from anyone not currently suspended from this site. The warning levels have also been modified so that in nearly all cases, someone will get a warning shot fired across their bow before being fined and suspended. You are invited to look at the current warning point levels so you are aware of the severity of each infraction: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/warn.php?

The Fine and Suspension level is now set at 12 warning points, so as you will notice many of the infractions are a "three strikes and you are out" sort of arrangement. Some of the more serious ones will only get a single warning before tripping the wire. And please note that the warning points are evaluated as a TOTAL and not as separate infractions. In other words, it's the 12 point TOTAL that gets you fined and suspended, and not 3 incidents of each infraction at 4 points each. The assumption is that anyone getting ANY warning points will then take the time to view the rules here and be cognizant of what are infractions and what is expected of them in reference to those rules.

Secondly, when if you reach the 12 point limit and get fined and suspended, your current warning point total will be cleared to zero. However, there is a log maintained for each member available to myself and the site mods to view that will be used to keep track of any member who proves to have a real problem following the rules. At roughly 100 warning points TOTAL, more then likely the offending member will get themselves banned permanently.

So I believe this is what some people have asked for in toning down the enforcement of the rules. It also removes some of the more negative aspects of a permanently visible warning log record attached to your member name. And it does allow come leeway for new members who may make honest mistakes in judgment.

If things begin to get way out of hand, this can be subjected to change without notice, but I do hope that won't be necessary. I believe the crackdown had the needed result here, and there wasn't too much collateral damage because of it. There was some, of course, which I do regret, but I just couldn't see any way to make the omelet without breaking a few eggs in the process.

Thanks.
 
It says level 1 "unnecessary roughness" , what about necessary roughness? :dgrin: Some heads are pretty thick.

I am obviously joking about that. :D

I think it is great. It is obvious you tried to fit in everyones suggestions as best you could. And doesn't sound unfair by any means.

But, if someone gets fined and suspened after 12 points, and again 8 or 9 times to get to a total of a hundred "roughly", you'd think they shoulda got the message around fine and suspension 1 or at least at 3. That is showing a lot of tolerance from the system.


Rick
 
I would think that the price tag of $10 per suspension would be sufficient incentive for most people to pay attention to the rules and not rack up a large number of them. Yes, there certainly can be people who would consider it worth the price, but hopefully not too many of them. The "roughly" gives me enough wiggle room that I can realistically choose the point of permanent banning as seems fitting at the time.. :reddevil:

Also, if necessary, the amount of the fine can be increased at any time if it appears that more incentive is necessary. And actually that would make sense. The level to get fined and suspended has gotten higher, and in like fashion the penalty could be higher as well.

I will bear that thought in mind depending on what the future brings.

Thanks.
 
I like it, even though I "was" opposed to a change I think it is a good compromise as John mentioned and I think all in all "we" have been pretty good since the lines were drawn and I think it is a deserved kind of, "hey, I know you guys can be good so Ill lighten up a little" gesture.

Thanks Rich, as always I think you thought this one out very well and made a good decision.
 
Probably should have read this thread here before i opened my smart mouth. :slamit:
Did not know that i was walking right into the crosshairs. :slamit:
So i will now apologize to any one and every one that took offense to my off the cuff remarks. :)
My intention wasn't to offend.. it seems that the pot had been boiling for some time before i stuck my but in it. :slamit:
I would like to hang around if y'all don't mind. :)
 
In that case, welcome Christopher and I hope to see you around more often..... and you are right, the pot has been boiling for a long time and finally boiled over recently.
 
christopher66 said:
Probably should have read this thread here before i opened my smart mouth. :slamit:
Did not know that i was walking right into the crosshairs. :slamit:
So i will now apologize to any one and every one that took offense to my off the cuff remarks. :)
My intention wasn't to offend.. it seems that the pot had been boiling for some time before i stuck my but in it. :slamit:
I would like to hang around if y'all don't mind. :)
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Your warning level is at zero, and thus far I haven't seen anything you have done here that warrants either warning points or getting booted out. People can speak their mind here, but just watch that it doesn't escalate out of control.
 
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I would like to hang around if y'all don't mind. :)
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Welcome, Christopher: it was nice of you to apologize and I'm sure you will look before you leap the next time.
 
In my honest humble opinion the "enforcement" should be scaled down a bit. It seems that certain people can say basically whatever they want and it's ok with the mods. Whereas when someone tries to create a different view and or perspective they get bashed or are accessed warning points.
 
gmherps said:
In my honest humble opinion the "enforcement" should be scaled down a bit. It seems that certain people can say basically whatever they want and it's ok with the mods. Whereas when someone tries to create a different view and or perspective they get bashed or are accessed warning points.
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Wish I had a smiley for this one....... I guess this will have to do.
 

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It really stinks to have to admit to a potential problem doesn't it? But, the turning a blind has seemed to work just fine so far.
 
gmherps said:
It really stinks to have to admit to a potential problem doesn't it? But, the turning a blind has seemed to work just fine so far.
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Not at all. You have never made a sufficient case for me to take your gripe seriously. It's just the same old tune on that broken record you are singing that myself and the mods here MUST read each and every post so there will be no apparent bias in the way the rules are enforced. EVERY post must be read and EVERY rule infraction MUST be addressed or there is bias here. That's the tune you are singing. So of course anyone who has racked up their own stash of warning points will feel that they have been singled out and treated in a biased and unfair manner, because they certainly can find someone else who has done the same infraction but not gotten warning points for it.

The facts of the matter here just seem to be out of your reach to either understand or believe. And quite frankly, I don't see any reason at all to try to accommodate anyone who makes unrealistic demands of me. This has been addressed MANY times here and you seem completely incapable of grasping the facts of the matter. So you either have to get over it or just move on.

Does that make it clear enough for you?
 
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