Status check on health of this site.

[WebSlave]

So...the original title is "status check on health of this site"...

Have we got ourselves a good prognosis, and can the status of the site be summed up in a SINGLE sentence???

Probably not anything that wouldn't get warning points for profanity......

Has anyone here seen that old movie called "Screamers"? There was a line in the film where the main character was asked about how that Screamer project was started. He said something to the effect of "We weren't sure what would happen. We just pressed the START button, then ran like hell."

Some days I feel like setting in motion such a plan here. Have it so EVERYONE can warn and ban absolutely everyone else as well as edit and delete all postings. Maybe have EVERYONE set up as MODERATOR or even ADMIN here. Click the START buttom myself, then get the hell out.

But I think the result could then be summed up with a single word: FIREBALL.

Quite frankly, I do believe this thread HAS shown me what the real problem is with this site.........

 

[critical bill]

Has anyone here seen that old movie called "Screamers"?

No...but I did see "Sweaters & Moaners" on iNDemand the other night. Hardly a plot but the action scenes were just fabulous.

 

[Walk of Life]

Quite frankly, I do believe this thread HAS shown me what the real problem is with this site.........

Then you know that there really isn't anything for you to try and change.
In the words of comedian Ron White: "You can't fix stupid!"

 

[deborahbroadus]

I didn't like the way that was worded; as it is, it appears that you are calling the people that posted on here stupid. I hope I am wrong.

Regardless of whether I am wrong or right, IMO, this part of what is wrong with the forum CAN be corrected and it doesn't call for any great outpouring of effort on Rich's part.

 

[IloveSnakes1234]

Then you know that there really isn't anything for you to try and change.
In the words of comedian Ron White: "You can't fix stupid!"

If you're calling US stupid you're calling YOURSELF stupid.

I don't think Rich can do alot, it's up to the members to change their ways.

 

[Walk of Life]

Regardless of whether I am wrong or right, IMO, this part of what is wrong with the forum CAN be corrected and it doesn't call for any great outpouring of effort on Rich's part.

My point exactly.
The part of this site that needs fixing can only be done by the members who have felt the need to attack their fellow members. Those individuals who derive some type of pleasure out of belittling others are "The Stupid" I was referring to.

I'm sure that many of them will probably start calling me names as well, but that's fine. What better way to identify those who are detrimental to the site then by letting them answer the roll call.

 

[Wilomn]

My point exactly.
The part of this site that needs fixing can only be done by the members who have felt the need to attack their fellow members. Those individuals who derive some type of pleasure out of belittling others are "The Stupid" I was referring to.

I'm sure that many of them will probably start calling me names as well, but that's fine. What better way to identify those who are detrimental to the site then by letting them answer the roll call.

Can you say, "hypocrisy?"

It seems you're saying it's just fine for you to call someone stupid, which seemingly, is not stupid yet if someone calls you stupid then that is stupid.

Are you running for office by chance? If not you may want to consider it, you'd fit right in.

Hey look, I didn't even call you stupid.

 

[Walk of Life]

Read again Wes,
I never called anyone stupid by name.
I stated that "The Stupid" thing that Webslave doesn't need to try and fix is the behavior of some of the so-called adults on this site.

I then proceeded to expound upon that thought in reply to another post that I feel it is stupid for members here to be attacking each other. If anyone wants to step up and claim the title, that is strictly their doing - not mine.

 

[Wilomn]

Read again Wes,
I never called anyone stupid by name.
I stated that "The Stupid" thing that Webslave doesn't need to try and fix is the behavior of some of the so-called adults on this site.

I then proceeded to expound upon that thought in reply to another post that I feel it is stupid for members here to be attacking each other. If anyone wants to step up and claim the title, that is strictly their doing - not mine.

and a one two three and a one two three

Dance all you want, it still reads the same to me.

A large part of the problem with the people on this site is so many say, "do as I say, not as I do."

I say do as you will but own up to it, defend it if you think it's right and admit it if you're proven wrong.

and a one two three....

 

[Walk of Life]

Ok, I'll play. Just what am I not owning up to?

I made a vague reference in this thread in response to Webslave's comment about seeing what is wrong here. I thought his determination was very clear based on the post within this thread. Some members questioned my underlying meaning, so I explained it in more detail. Just where is all this dancing your referring to?

Just so it's clear, I'll state it in very plain terms.

I think anyone who chooses to attack other members on this site with juvenile barbs and insults is stupid!

I think this is a great site, but for this one issue.
And don't begin to tell me it's necessary to root out the bad guys - I don't buy it. If the bad guys are bad, the truth will come to light. The juvenile insults do nothing but erode the credibility of this forum.

If I have not made myself clear, then by all means tell me what part you do not understand and I'll do my best to clarify the point.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Ok, I'll play. Just what am I not owning up to?

I made a vague reference in this thread in response to Webslave's comment about seeing what is wrong here. I thought his determination was very clear based on the post within this thread. Some members questioned my underlying meaning, so I explained it in more detail. Just where is all this dancing your referring to?

Just so it's clear, I'll state it in very plain terms.

I think anyone who chooses to attack other members on this site with juvenile barbs and insults is stupid!

I think this is a great site, but for this one issue.
And don't begin to tell me it's necessary to root out the bad guys - I don't buy it. If the bad guys are bad, the truth will come to light. The juvenile insults do nothing but erode the credibility of this forum.

If I have not made myself clear, then by all means tell me what part you do not understand and I'll do my best to clarify the point.

Then..I see what you are meaning. It's not ALL the members that are tarred with this brush, but only those that behave within a certain set of parameters that are "stupid."

I know we make typos *for clarification..typos can be typing faster than one thinks..it doesn't necessarily mean keys in relation to hand typing* and I think you are trying to label a BEHAVIOR more so than certain people.

I say this because really...it's awesome how our mods and members seem to find facts, keep on top of information (many times I have gotten lost) and seem to be able to make things so clear that a "child" could understand what was going on. Thus, "stupid" isn't the term that I would use.

p.s. I am not "brown nosing" but I do believe in giving credit where it is due. While I do think that some of us post too abusively *especially sometimes towards new members* those posts are also so funny, that they couldn't be labeled "stupid." However, the tendency to belittle is one that I woudl want to be removed.

 

[Stardust]

And don't begin to tell me it's necessary to root out the bad guys - I don't buy it. If the bad guys are bad, the truth will come to light. The juvenile insults do nothing but erode the credibility of this forum.

On this point I totally agree with you. The funnies and the name calling and in general so called outting of a bad guy is not warranted.

If they have had bad transactions then that says it all. Sullying up a thread with prompts to try to get them to talk or what they would say when they are angry is meaningless. The bad transaction says it all.

I do understand that I am a minority in this stance as well.

 

[Walk of Life]

I do understand that I am a minority in this stance as well.

Maybe not as much as you think.
From what I have read, I think there is an ever-growing portion of the membership who have grown tired of some of this behavior. As a relative newcomer here, this behavior is the one (and only) negative factor here.

The good news is that the senseless name calling does at least appear to be on the wane. Going back and reading some of the older threads, it was obvious that the problem used to be much worse.

 

[Lucille]

Maybe not as much as you think.
From what I have read, I think there is an ever-growing portion of the membership who have grown tired of some of this behavior. As a relative newcomer here, this behavior is the one (and only) negative factor here.

I agree. And I agree with Rozann that identifying a bad transaction is enough.

In my opinion, pages and pages of name calling and badgering will not serve justice.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I also agree.

BUT...if we kick aside the people that bring results regardless of their methods, can we pick up the slack?

I may not like some of the ways that it's brought about, but regardless....they DO get results.

 

[IloveSnakes1234]

Me three.

 

[Dragondad]

I also agree.

BUT...if we kick aside the people that bring results regardless of their methods, can we pick up the slack?

I may not like some of the ways that it's brought about, but regardless....they DO get results.

There is a difference between generating results based on facts gathered and researched vs the constant badgering and ridicule that has become the standard of trying to generate a result. It may take some practice, it may take some diligence and it may take some time. However if you can come at someone with they said "A" or did "A" and the facts say "B" then you have the evidence you need to prove the bad transaction. And its a lot more impressive than repeatedly calling them dumb stupid and morally reprehensible.

 

[Jim O]

There is a difference between generating results based on facts gathered and researched vs the constant badgering and ridicule that has become the standard of trying to generate a result. It may take some practice, it may take some diligence and it may take some time. However if you can come at someone with they said "A" or did "A" and the facts say "B" then you have the evidence you need to prove the bad transaction. And its a lot more impressive than repeatedly calling them dumb stupid and morally reprehensible.

A couple of things come to mind. First, and most importantly, Michael, is that you generally have solid opinions, but the fact is that I haven't seen you "out" anyone with the kindler, gentler tactics that you suggest may be just as effective. In fact, I don't recall any of its advocates in this thread doing it. Absent personal knowledge or research, making such statements as to it's efficacy might be misleading.

Second, a little practicing of what one preaches might be in order. These quotes all came from the same BOI thread in which you participated within the last year:

Looks like a troll, smells like a troll must be a troll.

Chris Kobesko = Troll and not even a very talented one.

Hey Chris go stick you head in a snow bank and contemplate why your life is all white.

The MS on his job profile must stand for Master of Stupidity....

I think Dennis said it best the guy needs to spend some serious time on his own couch.

You went after this so-called therapist with personal attacks at least three times. So, here are three words for you: "Pot, Kettle, Black". Kindly put them in a sentence.


*the search function here can come up with the darnedest things

 

[Dragondad]

Jim so nice to see someone cares enough to search my posts for content. And I thought this whole time I was just typing for fun....


Maybe a search of your last 200 post for just say the BOI sould be in order to determine how well your Photoshop works, or your selection of pronouns.


Am I perfect far from it, do I attack yes. But after spending the summer watching the carnage of the attacks on the BOI and even off the BOI. I finally have become sick of the trend that takes place. So Jim bring up all you want I don't care....A question was asked and like anyone else I have expressed my views on why the counts are down. Am I the perfect example of my words.....NO....yet some of the ones throwing stones need to sweep behind their own back doors.


Love metaphors(even if mixed) what was that one again...POT, KETTLE, BLACK

 

[Lucille]

There is a difference between generating results based on facts gathered and researched vs the constant badgering and ridicule that has become the standard of trying to generate a result. It may take some practice, it may take some diligence and it may take some time. However if you can come at someone with they said "A" or did "A" and the facts say "B" then you have the evidence you need to prove the bad transaction. And its a lot more impressive than repeatedly calling them dumb stupid and morally reprehensible.

I agree.

Those with the skill to ferret out scammers do us all a favor.
It is my opinion that people who have taken money from others and who are scammers are thieves and deserve to be outed and identified.

I worked for a while as a nurse in a county jail, and I saw interactions daily between prisoners and deputies. The deputies used strong words and at times when appropriate strong actions.

I did not see baiting or taunting of the prisoners. The deputies used force at times, but not brutality; their words were not always appropriate for a ladies tea party, yet there was no baiting, badgering or taunting.

We have a number of LEOs here, and as well, have a number of people who have served in the military. They now, or in the past, have walked this line daily.
I would like to hear their point of view.