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Status check on Warning System Mod program

Is the warning points mod progam making a positive difference?

  • Total voters
    36
I it a great idea but the trouble remains that certain site mods seem to overlook violations made by their buddies and nail others and abuse the power that they have. In many cases a mod enters a thread as a non-mod and states his/ hers opinions and in some cases argues thier points then once someone post something that the mod does not agree with bang they give points.

Maybe it would work better if a rule was made that states simply , once a mod post in a thread he/she is no longer able to give any points in that thread.
 
Dave Lawson said:
I it a great idea but the trouble remains that certain site mods seem to overlook violations made by their buddies and nail others and abuse the power that they have. In many cases a mod enters a thread as a non-mod and states his/ hers opinions and in some cases argues thier points then once someone post something that the mod does not agree with bang they give points
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Can you give a specific example of a mod dinging somone for not agreeing with him or her?



Dave Lawson said:
Maybe it would work better if a rule was made that states simply , once a mod post in a thread he/she is no longer able to give any points in that thread
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Rich has made clear any number of times that is not going to happen, that mods may participate in a thread and moderate in it also.
 
Dave Lawson said:
I it a great idea but the trouble remains that certain site mods seem to overlook violations made by their buddies and nail others and abuse the power that they have. In many cases a mod enters a thread as a non-mod and states his/ hers opinions and in some cases argues thier points then once someone post something that the mod does not agree with bang they give points.

Maybe it would work better if a rule was made that states simply , once a mod post in a thread he/she is no longer able to give any points in that thread.
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Dave,

Please, as Jim O stated, list an example or two. No one can action against something or give an opinion without an example. I'm sure you are safe from 'retribution' for doing so.

Seamus,

I agree with what you are saying though it could be hard to set a threshold for it? Using pay-to-play as the single determination to become a WS mod does open up some oppurtunities. I'm sure tweeks may occur as the program matures?
 
I've only now stumbled onto this particular thread. I understand the warning points better now than I did 2 hours ago. However, the ability of approx. 40 people with moderator privelages able to ding a single post (in my post which I will go on record as saying publicly was reasonable even though I still wonder have already been hit 3 times with 2 points per mod.) This seems to be an exessive abuse of power. It is no problem to see when a member has been issued warning points (mine was for the singular offense of profanity) and to move along unless there is another occurrence. How many state troopers does it take to issue you a speeding violation on our public roadways? The last time I was stopped (not for speeding, BTW) it took exactly one to issue me a citation for which I had to answer.

Perhaps it is this exact kind of excess that causes the high number of accumulated points before an individual has their account suspended or banned? If this is the case, then the system definitely is better but does indeed need some improvement.

This is just my opinion and in today's economy it isn't worth even $0.02, so take it as you will.

David
 
The reason that the warnings are of low value when held against the 300 point total needed to get suspended is for some of the reasons you mentioned. 8 out of 300 puts you very, very far from a suspension.

In fact, if we were as intolerant as you might be thinking, several of your PMs could havebeen viewed as Antagonsim towards a Moderator. You'd be at about 50 of 300 if we had gone that route. You received 0, to date, for what others saw as your repeated cheap shots back, well thought spoken as they were.

So there is less 'gunning' for you then you think.
 
This new system was implemented with those "excesses" in mind. They were planned...desired, even. The idea is that if we are unhappy enough about a certain offense, or type of offense, we can make a very clear statement about it.

(just a hint, the more you whine about it, the more likely you are to get more points as other WS mods look for your post to see what the fuss is about)
 
Double "D" Reptiles said:
I've only now stumbled onto this particular thread. I understand the warning points better now than I did 2 hours ago. However, the ability of approx. 40 people with moderator privelages able to ding a single post (in my post which I will go on record as saying publicly was reasonable even though I still wonder have already been hit 3 times with 2 points per mod.) This seems to be an exessive abuse of power. It is no problem to see when a member has been issued warning points (mine was for the singular offense of profanity) and to move along unless there is another occurrence. How many state troopers does it take to issue you a speeding violation on our public roadways? The last time I was stopped (not for speeding, BTW) it took exactly one to issue me a citation for which I had to answer.

Perhaps it is this exact kind of excess that causes the high number of accumulated points before an individual has their account suspended or banned? If this is the case, then the system definitely is better but does indeed need some improvement.

This is just my opinion and in today's economy it isn't worth even $0.02, so take it as you will.

David
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You really need to stop with the "I'm such a martyr/victim" act.

I sent you this PM explaining how the system functions at 6:15pm, you read it at 6:45pm, 23 minutes before you posted the above quote, so DON'T try to act like you didn't know what the score was.

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Originally Posted by Double "D" Reptiles
The inability to alter posts, even when they are found offensive, and yet to be gien multiple warning points for the exact same violation is exactly what I already knew and was trying to point out. This very incident shows that members are subject to double-jeopardy (and even triple, etc...) when multiple moderators jump in on the same post.

I would like to hear that this is taken up in the moderators forum and discussed at length among moderators and Rich as it seems wrong. It would be like the next time you are in your vehicle and multiple officers witness you breaking a driving law. If all of them wrote you a ticket for the same violation in the same place then you would be quite irate and demanding that all but one be tossed, either at the scene or later before a judge. I have simply asked that since my violation has already been addressed that you not act as a second (or third) officer writing me up for the violation since I have no recourse in the matter including being able to edit the post. It should be enough that the violation has been addressed per the site administrator's rules of participation and warning points fairly given. It is that very thinking that will preclude me adding one of the offensive posts from the list I am about to send you...the offense has already been addressed and warning points were indeed issued. I hope that you will consider the points you gave me from this point of view.

Just as a case where I might be caught speeding, been stopped and cited, I can't change what took place and I would have been in the wrong to violate the law. However, it would be unjust for multiple officers to issue multiple tickets (and thus warning points against my driver's license) for the exact same offense.

David




It has already been brought up and discussed at length by the moderators.

Make no mistake, this system is of Rich's design, and he sees no problem with the way it functions.

You are mistakenly interpreting the "Warning Points" as the punishment, when the are in fact exactly what they say, Warning Points. They are intended to let a member know that their behavior is unacceptable. Multiple mods are allowed to award multiple points in order to let the offending member know just how unacceptable their behavior is. If they choose to persist, points will accumulate until they have reached 300 points, they will then be suspended. The suspension is the punishment, not the Warning Points. So, at this point, you are merely being warned that your behavior is unacceptable.
There is also a warning for "antagonism towards a moderator" which can also be applied to PMs sent by members who have been awarded warning points. As well as a warning for "attack on a member outside of the BOI".

I hope that helps you in understanding how the current system functions.]

So stop whining and deal with it.
 
[So stop whining and deal with it.[/QUOTE]

Erin and others,
I'm not whining about it. In fact, I have clearly stated that I have accepted responsibility for the post that got me into trouble in the first place. I have also apologized in that thread as best I can at this time.

I utilized this thread due to it's voting properties and appropriate forum for discussion. Mr. Lawson was asked in an earlier post to give direct reference to his issue with the system so I thought it appropriate to reference my own situation from whence came my thoughts related, and relative at this time, to my own vote since voting is still enabled.

If the entire discussion about this issue is closed and not open to thoughtful and mature debate, then this thread should be locked/closed so that absolutely nobody can ever post in it again. Otherwise, we should keep this as civilized as possible. I don't believe that I ever mentioned any PM between you and me as that may lead some members to speculate as to the nature of those messages, which were between 2 people (even though one is a mod and one a member) who had dissenting opinions. I am aware enough of things to know that I wasn't going to come out ahead in the debate, yet I took our PRIVATE discussions as a learning experience. I also attempted, unsuccessfully it appears, to take it to an appropriate location for the discussion.

My apologies to you and anyone else who may have been offended by said actions.

David
 
monkeywrench133 said:
I guess I now need to add "Stop insulting my intelligence with your drivel".
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I find it amazing that you chose to answer my reply with what could easily be construed as a personal attack. Perhaps if this is the best that can be achieved by your self-proclaimed intelligence then this thread is truly through and should indeed be locked.

I'm sorry that you felt that way.

David
 
One thing I have noticed that has piqued my interest in the warning point system just a bit. And I say this with full respect to the system as it is right at this moment, fully accepting it. It seems odd to me that when a member gets dinged by a single moderator it can easily lead to more warning points being issued for the same post. However, in reviewing an admittedly small number of instances where Rich has issued the warning points as WebSlave then no further warning points seem to be issued by other moderators for said infraction.

Is this something that was set up that I simply haven't gotten to in reading all of the pages of the posts that Harold referenced me to earlier or is it something else altogether? I'm not looking to stir the ire of any particular individual but rather to gain a full understanding of this system as it exists.

David
 
Double "D" Reptiles said:
Perhaps if this is the best that can be achieved by your self-proclaimed intelligence then this thread is truly through and should indeed be locked.
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And this would qualify as "antagonism towards a moderator".
 
BINGO!

We, have a winner!

Ding, ding, ding.....

And that's the ballgame! We have a winner!

If my above post was indeed "antagonism towards a moderator" after an earlier statement which seemed very much like a personal attack, then this is indeed a sad day. I feel as if I have been publicly raped by a moderator on this site and told to take it and like it. All of a sudden I feel extremely "dirty." The least you could have done was reference your previous post where my words were described as "drivel" that "insulted your intelligence."

I guess that there really is no room for discussion, mature or otherwise, where some people are concerned. I thought that some things were anathema even here but even that seems to be untrue in this current climate. It is enough to make me think I should seriously reconsider my position regarding the practices of of an individual I have disliked quite strongly for so many years as at least that leopard has not changed it's spots. This will require a lot of long hours in contemplation.

I can't believe that this is the depth to which even this site has fallen if this is allowed to stand untouched.
 
Dave Lawson said:
I it a great idea but the trouble remains that certain site mods seem to overlook violations made by their buddies and nail others and abuse the power that they have.
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Since the site mods are Ken, Dr. Owens, and I, show the proof where the three of us have done that.
 
David, you keep trying to compare your getting warning points here to a police giving you a ticket when there really is no like comparison. This is a web site not a highway, your using a keyboard not a few thousand pound vehicle.

Your upset because you got more than one warning point for a single post and it has been pointed out to you the system was set up just so that if necessary that very thing could happen.. WS Mods don't carry a very big stick so if a real point needs to be made more than one can try to make that point. Your not the first and I'm sure not the last to feel that you have been unjustly put upon and not the first to PM the person(s) that gave you the warning(s) No need to make more out of this than there is, it's simple you broke the rules and got a few warning points and just as a cop would tell you ignorance of the law(rules) is no excuse. So just take your warning and move on. It's a small thing not worth getting so worked up over.
 
If you have read all of what the warning system is all about you will know that when Rich gives a warning it packs a higher punch then others so no need really for anyone else to give them as well unless someone else feels strongly about what was said.

As far as more then one police as in a traffic ticket it would be like Rich being the one cop giving a 100 dollar (points) ticket as opposed to lower mods with not as much power giving 10 10 dollar tickets (points). It just depends on how many happen to see it or how many think that more points are necessary for that particular offense. If people happen to see it and think that it was enough then they just do not give more.
 
One of the design considerations for this system change was the potential for a large group of members who felt STRONG enough about ousting someone who they deem as a verifiable detriment to this site that they could obtain the power to do so. Just as cops CAN run someone out of town if the need exists to do so.

Yeah, some have complained that the bar is too high, and others have taken pot shots at others who made the leap anyway. That's my choice, and I made it, for better or for worse, as the members get used to the power (and the danger) of their new six-shooter. Yep some can blow their own head off if they aren't careful. With the authority comes the responsibility.

I have provided the opportunity for the membership to pretty much run this site how they see fitting and prudent. If I see where a helping hand from me is needed to speed things along, why yes, I will likely provide that help.
 
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