Steven Brockschmidt, BrocksBoids...

[KaHane]

Let's back down and give Brock some MORE time

Shane and Melanie...Thanks for the support here but let's give him some more time.
I guess we all should wait on Special Brock...after all, he is special! He's the only one that has everything pertaining and crucial in this deal, The $12,500 and the boas.
Somehow having in his possession everything that IS the deal, makes him the so called victim....and we should give him time to get over his hurt feelings.

Let's all give Brock time to do whatever he wants and whenever he chooses.
And maybe if Ken and I wait long enough, we might...just might... have some say in this situation.

 

[melanie76]

Shane and Melanie...Thanks for the support here but let's give him some more time.
I guess we all should wait on Special Brock...after all, he is special! He's the only one that has everything pertaining and crucial in this deal, The $12,500 and the boas.
Somehow having in his possession everything that IS the deal, makes him the so called victim....and we should give him time to get over his hurt feelings.

Let's all give Brock time to do whatever he wants and whenever he chooses.
And maybe if Ken and I wait long enough, we might...just might... have some say in this situation.

oh yes...Im sure he needs much more time...for...Stuff.

 

[KaHane]

Thanks Kevin Murphy and reagorfu.... I'm glad you guys can make sense of all this.

 

[NixonRp]

unless he ( Brock ) does something wonderful in the end here to take care of KaHane and Ken, like throw in a free really nice boa ( sharp, jungle, motley, etc ) to the order, i will direct everyone on every forum to this thread if they are thinking about buying from him. this is bull and no one should have to be treated like this. and i really don't think that i would like to do business with any one that would defend Brock. if you could condone this type of behavior you are not one of the good guys in my book.

Kahane, i really hope that you get your animals. and i do think that you are a good guy to wait this long to make the thread. i would have no problems doing business with you if you were in the states. good luck.

I was only stating my dealings with him have been positive...If I were in Kahane's situation I would be quite livid as well. I haven't heard Brocks side of this either. I came on here with the intent to be in some way a help and resolve the issue.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

He sure is a vary busy boy that Brock Just ship the boas Brock!

I really cant help but think that somethings a little fishy's here, hiding from all this isn't going to make it go away, especially with that kind of cash involved!!! by your lack of a response one can only imagine somethings gone very wrong, and your hiding waiting for it all to go away isn't helping my imagination ether

hope this all works out for you KaHane.

 

[Litesnsirens]

Kahane and Kevin, I will be blunt. I don't think we know the whole story. I don't believe for a second that the story unfolded exactly the way it's been painted. Don't take that wrong as it is typically the case with most BOI stories. One side paints one story and the other another and some where in the middle is the truth.

Kahane, do I believe the story the way you wrote it? Nope, but then again had Steve been the one that initiated the thread I would not believe it 100% either. That's my point. I have not see anything here that would tell me you're screwed. I will give Steve the benefit of the doubt and allow him a few more days to respond before I, personally speaking, will cast my opinion. If Steve doesn't respond and chooses to ignore the situation then yes, I will not view him the same as what I have in the past.

However, I do not believe this is a BOI thread that will benefit from the BOI. There are times when posting here forces the individual through peer pressure to do the right thing. I don't think that's the case here. Shoot Steve another email, and leave out anything threatening etc, and see where it gets you. I realize you've been patient and it would be nice to hear Steve finally post but I still stand by my original post.

Steve, if you're reading this, take care of it. If nothing else, return the money and be done. Don't leave this situation hanging.

Griz

I get where you are coming from here Bob, so I am not going to say anything neagative about your point of view or be demeaning in any way... it's quite possible that you weren't aware of the thread before KaHane was forced to include the name... he actually posted with no name specifically because he wanted to find out if people thought he was in the right based on the circumstances not on the breeder. He was scratching his head because he was thinking "is it me?" "am i just too impatient?'" "this guy is a reputable breeder". At least that is the impression that I got when KaHane first started bringing this to light. (KaHane please correct me if I am wrong).

The initial post is pretty much the same but with the names added back in and some minor corrections to make it flow grammatically having added the names. Point is when it was written it wasn't trying to slant anyone's view ... He just wanted to know if he should just continue on course, which is apparently being ignored by the guy that has your money and snakes, or if the rest of us feel he has shown enough patience and now it's time to act.

He was really trying to be careful to protect Brock, god only knows why, but I think when most of the responses came back saying "what the hell I would have been all over this long ago" he was kind of forced into it, along with the facts that the mods would not allow the thread to remain ...

I am only restating this because the usual course "there are two sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in the middle" while very diplomatic isn't really that accurate... in reality while seldom 100% one way or the other it's usually at least 90% one way or the other... I make my living figuring out which way the truth swings from the stories I hear...

It's been said a number of times on here in a number of different ways... the silence is saying alot...if not everything...

 

[Griz]

Shane and Melanie...Thanks for the support here but let's give him some more time.
I guess we all should wait on Special Brock...after all, he is special! He's the only one that has everything pertaining and crucial in this deal, The $12,500 and the boas.
Somehow having in his possession everything that IS the deal, makes him the so called victim....and we should give him time to get over his hurt feelings.

Let's all give Brock time to do whatever he wants and whenever he chooses.
And maybe if Ken and I wait long enough, we might...just might... have some say in this situation.

Kahane, you've really proved my point here. My point was not to insinuate that you're lying. My point was simply this......I have no experience with you to judge your character or to simply take your posts as the gospel. I've been around the BOI block too many times to simply put all of my stock into the postings of someone whom I have no experience with. I would not call Steve a friend of mine. I've exchanged pleasantries and had a very successful transaction with him. That is enough for me to at least want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I've never once insinuated that you've done anything wrong rather I simply won't accept, at least at this point in time, that the one-sided story we've heard is the full story. It has nothing to do with Steve's "specialness".

Kevin, I have quickly joined the ranks, after many years of choosing to not believe it, that Fauna is simply not a priority for most. I used to be on here multiple times each day and was simply a faunaholic. That is no longer the case and I've not renewed my membership and typically only stop by but a few times a week for any length of time that is. I am starting to understand when people don't make stopping by here a priority. Maybe that's the case for Steve? I would COMPLETELY agree Kahane that Steve needs to address this and address it soon. If he fails to then I have no choice but to put more credence into your posts. But, until I feel that he's been given enough time to address this I simply won't take the story at full face value. It's not a Kahane thing and it's not a Steve thing. It's simply due diligence on my end. Something that is missing far too often on this board.

Griz

 

[ravensgait]

How much time is Enough time? A month? a year ? The guy has been notified of this thread and I really doubt he has forgotten that he took 12 grand from these guys.

Myself I don't know either party here and have never done business with them. Looking at this from the outside-- well we do see only one side of the story, even though the other party has had plenty of time to drag his carcass here and write his side. Seeing the info we have here, Steve isn't looking very good right now and the longer this goes on the worse he will look.. Time to extricate ones head from ones butt and get this taken cared of.. Randy

 

[kmurphy]

Kevin, I have quickly joined the ranks, after many years of choosing to not believe it, that Fauna is simply not a priority for most. I used to be on here multiple times each day and was simply a faunaholic. That is no longer the case and I've not renewed my membership and typically only stop by but a few times a week for any length of time that is. I am starting to understand when people don't make stopping by here a priority. Maybe that's the case for Steve? I would COMPLETELY agree Kahane that Steve needs to address this and address it soon. If he fails to then I have no choice but to put more credence into your posts. But, until I feel that he's been given enough time to address this I simply won't take the story at full face value. It's not a Kahane thing and it's not a Steve thing. It's simply due diligence on my end. Something that is missing far too often on this board.

Bob if it was simply a matter of him not dropping by fauna then I would agree with you, but his friends emailed him about this thread 6 days ago. I don't care if it was fauna classifieds, kingsnake or crazyreptiles.com, if someone that had sent me nearly 13 grand was talking negative about me on the internet I would be there to answer the call, and so would you. This won't look good on his resume. Say what you will about fauna but everyone doing a deal of any magnitude, with someone they don't know, checks it out.

 

[plin42]

I tihink that is a really good point you made their kmurphy! I think, actually i know kahane has been extremly patient with Brock. All he is asking and i think the majority of people posting and reading this BOI, just want Brock to answer all facts that have been brought to the table. Kahane has been more then fair. He has given proof all of emails, bank deposits, dates and time, phone conversation ect.. I think most would agree that Brock still has the chance to right the wrong! Right now Brock looks like a pretty 'bad guy' to deal with. But he can still change all this. I dont think just a formal apology will do either, But he can still save his reputation that he has if he would just give the time of day to this situation. If he continues to allow time to pass, without doing anyting about this, then he has another thing comming. But he still has the opportunity to do something about this whole good gone bad situation. First and formost to provide what KaHane has paid for, but if he is a decent person and truly wants to keep his buisness on a good playing field there needs to be something to make up for all of this. and who knows, maybe Kahane will say dont worry about, but thank you..I dont know, sometimes just the gesture means more then anything. I hope for the sake of both parties that this gets resolved, and does not continue to drag on!

P.S..

Brock if you ever do read this BOI concerning yourself. First things first man! Say you are sorry to Mrs. Limsana! (hope i spelt that right KaHane)

Shane. P

Bob if it was simply a matter of him not dropping by fauna then I would agree with you, but his friends emailed him about this thread 6 days ago. I don't care if it was fauna classifieds, kingsnake or crazyreptiles.com, if someone that had sent me nearly 13 grand was talking negative about me on the internet I would be there to answer the call, and so would you. This won't look good on his resume. Say what you will about fauna but everyone doing a deal of any magnitude, with someone they don't know, checks it out.

 

[melanie76]

Plus..KAHANE and his parter or whatever..were talking to him about the thread..lol.He knows whats going on. And hes not fixing it. OR taking his good old time. I just dont understand what some people dont get. How could this guy POSSIBLY come up with an excuse. There just isnt one good enough. They should be in the air today. Hes known about the thread for a week.

 

[reagorfu]

I probably will never be able to afford a reptile deal of this magnitude; I just do not have that much money to spend on one order of reptiles alone. For me, making a purchase of $2,000 is extremely huge and certainly the largest amount I will ever spend on boas. With that being said, why in the world would I ever consider going to Brocks Boas? Would I go there because Brock is going to treat his high paying customers (who put loads of cash in his pockets) like crap? Would the reason I would buy from him be that I like it when people are rude on the phone to my family and constantly say they don’t trust me via email? Would I send him my down payment on an animal because it is such a rush when the seller demands the remainder of the balance before the date that was agreed on (thinking that you are going to lose your huge deposit because the seller changes the deal at the back end is exhilarating, it’s better than sky diving if you ask me)?there are just so many things going on with this guy it is hard to put your finger on one quality about his customer service that makes him stand alone.
Unfortunately I have never found a reason to yell at my wife because I think that she is perfect, would that make his practice of yelling at my wife and being rude to her be the extra edge that he has over his competition? Would I choose to do business with Brock because if I pay shipping that means that he ships the order to where he wants it to go, because he knows better than I do where my boas need to be or would it be because I will pay for shipping the boas in advance and then he will say that I need to drive half way to pick up the boas? Then again, his whole “I’m not going to talk to you for a couple of months” thing sounds pretty attractive if you ask me.
I got allot of thinking to do. It sounds pretty tempting don’t you think? But then again, maybe these are just the special treatments that guys spending big money get. After all, he might not give me this great quality service because I would be spending a fraction of $12,500.

 

[melanie76]

I probably will never be able to afford a reptile deal of this magnitude; I just do not have that much money to spend on one order of reptiles alone. For me, making a purchase of $2,000 is extremely huge and certainly the largest amount I will ever spend on boas. With that being said, why in the world would I ever consider going to Brocks Boas? Would I go there because Brock is going to treat his high paying customers (who put loads of cash in his pockets) like crap? Would the reason I would buy from him be that I like it when people are rude on the phone to my family and constantly say they don’t trust me via email? Would I send him my down payment on an animal because it is such a rush when the seller demands the remainder of the balance before the date that was agreed on (thinking that you are going to lose your huge deposit because the seller changes the deal at the back end is exhilarating, it’s better than sky diving if you ask me)?there are just so many things going on with this guy it is hard to put your finger on one quality about his customer service that makes him stand alone.
Unfortunately I have never found a reason to yell at my wife because I think that she is perfect, would that make his practice of yelling at my wife and being rude to her be the extra edge that he has over his competition? Would I choose to do business with Brock because if I pay shipping that means that he ships the order to where he wants it to go, because he knows better than I do where my boas need to be or would it be because I will pay for shipping the boas in advance and then he will say that I need to drive half way to pick up the boas? Then again, his whole “I’m not going to talk to you for a couple of months” thing sounds pretty attractive if you ask me.
I got allot of thinking to do. It sounds pretty tempting don’t you think? But then again, maybe these are just the special treatments that guys spending big money get. After all, he might not give me this great quality service because I would be spending a fraction of $12,500.

Very well put!

 

[tonyj]

I'm glad that this thread is now settling down into a debate between those few people who still think and argue that Steven Brockschmidt is a 'good guy', - because they know him to be a 'good guy', who is perhaps a little misunderstood, and the rest of us, who faced with irrefutable FACTS, and don't necessarily know either party, have made up our own minds.

Thank goodness this has not degenerated into a US/Canada debate. Thank goodness this is a debate between fair minded individuals, who are witnessing a 'big wrong' taking place, and those others who will defend to the end a person who no longer has a leg to stand on, - at least based on the information we have all been presented with.

Of course if they may have additional and privileged information that the rest of us have not yet seen, and know that Steven Brockschmidt is actually the second coming of Santa Claus, but of course we wouldn't know that.

This issue should be of interest to all reptile enthusiasts, as the outcome will affect the way we all do business in future and possibly will have ramifications which eventually will affect all of us.

Hence the reason so many of us are watching with great interest the outcome of this 'crime' in progress. (Sorry, but that's the description that comes to mind.)

The days when we actually trusted each other will vanish for good.

We will continue only to do business with individuals from our own small circle of associates; those people who we know personally and people who we know we can trust.

These are sad times for our hobby, thanks to the STEVEN BROCKSCHMIDTs of this world.

The few will ruin it for the many.

Would I buy a 100% guaranteed het from a stranger anymore? Maybe, but certainly not from the Steven Brockschmidts that prey on this hobby.

Think about it reptile lovers. This smelly saga will now influence the whole hobby, - and in ways we haven't yet thought about.

Kahane will no doubt survive this bitter experience. And Brockschmidt, the strong silent one? Well, he still has a few hardcore supporters to keep him going, as he awaits his next big pay day.

In truth, I wonder how many of Brockschmidt's supporters will even send him $125 in future, without those little pangs of doubt running through their minds? I wonder....

 

[Griz]

Thank goodness this has not degenerated into a US/Canada debate. Thank goodness this is a debate between fair minded individuals, who are witnessing a 'big wrong' taking place, and those others who will defend to the end a person who no longer has a leg to stand on, - at least based on the information we have all been presented with.

At least based on the information we have all been presented with???? Point proven if you will. That is my whole point all along. I realize some continually accept what is written on the forum as the gospel and simply want to insinuate that anyone believing to the contrary is simply "defending to the end." I've not defended Steve one bit. If the story, the way that Kahane has written it, is true then he needs strung up, period. I've simply stated that the story, as written, does not quite add up to me and therefore I am allowing more time before I pass judgment.

If that does not sit well with a few of you then that is your problem not mine. I've seen very similar situations play out where the thread bad guy turned out to be the thread author. Is that the case here? Who knows but I won't pass judgment until I am comfortable with the presented story and as such, I am not currently comfortable.

As I stated earlier, it's not a Kahane thing nor is it a Steve thing. I don't know enough about either to be a character witness. But, this thread is asking the readers to pass judgment on Steve and to consider him a bad guy. I'm stating, for the record, that I won't do that yet...... That's not to say I won't reconsider in a week but then again, nobody knows what will happen between now and then. Due diligence is in short supply.

Griz

 

[Litesnsirens]

Of course we know what will happen between now and a week from now, Brock still will not have shown up and will not have provided any kind of an explanation, and most likely KaHane will still won't have his snakes or his money. He might have another insulting email though ... that is the one thing that is up in the air. While I still hold hope that KaHane will eventually get his snakes or money, based on Brock's less than prompt actions up til this point I can pretty much guarantee it won't be done by next week.

Let's face it was last week when Brock was apparently going to come on and post "tonight". Now maybe on his calender the days are 96 hours long, but those of us on the 24hr/day schedule are still waiting... either that or Brock just isn't that good at keeping his word.... hmmm

 

[tonyj]

As I stated earlier, it's not a Kahane thing nor is it a Steve thing. I don't know enough about either to be a character witness. But, this thread is asking the readers to pass judgment on Steve and to consider him a bad guy. I'm stating, for the record, that I won't do that yet...... That's not to say I won't reconsider in a week but then again, nobody knows what will happen between now and then. Due diligence is in short supply.

Griz

Griz, you are of course entitled to your own point of view. We fought wars for your right hold those points of view.

However, at what point do you start to have just some teeny weeny doubts regarding Mr Brockschmidt' business practices ?

Kahane has overtly shown us a great deal of persuasive evidence outlining and supporting certain facts.

Brockschmidt and his loyalists have shown us zilch.

You of course can make your own judgements based on your own thoughts. As I have said, that is your right, whether it be Canada, the US or most free countries.

The rest of us can only formulate our thinking on what we have been shown, which at the present doesn't look too good, especially for Brockschmidt, in spite of your protestations, and in whichever way you choose to spin it.

 

[Griz]

The rest of us can only formulate our thinking on what we have been shown, which at the present doesn't look too good, especially for Brockschmidt, in spite of your protestations, and in whichever way you choose to spin it.

Tony, I was in agreement with much of what you wrote until this last blurb. For whatever reason, maybe lack of reading comprehension?, you still want to blur the lines of reality with regards to what I have said. I've never spun any portion of this situation. I have never protested anyone's rights with regards to how they have handle this situation. At least, if for no other reason then self respect, show some basic comprehension if you want to post your opinion of my comments. The only "spinning" going on here is by you. Loyalist.......oh please.....

Griz

 

[tonyj]

Loyalists: People who have stood by whilst refusing to condemn or question Mr B's motives or actions.
In spite of what seems to be an overwhelming amount of evidence painting a non to flattering picture of Mr. B's actions, the people who have remained loyal to Mr B's cause.

Griz, what ever you or I say, and no matter how we 'spin' it , all we are doing is trading words. Nothing more. We are achieving nothing of significance, other than remaining polite so far.

What is needed now, is action.

Thankfully, everyone seems to agree on that.

 

[NixonRp]

For the record, what Griz or myself has said in this whole situation is that OUR experiences with him haven't been bad. Yes the picture painted here isn't very flattering and in all honesty if I were a new guy whom had never dealt with him before would I be worried about buying from him reading this thread, probably.

I agree with you with you Tony, action does need to be taken, this issue needs to be resolved.