KaHane
Dman P.L.M.P
I see that my thread has been closed or locked because of my refusal to post the breeder name,that looks be be ripping me off.
Please let me explain the reason I did not put the breeder's name on the thread. Well there's 2 reasons...first, I still want the guy to have a chance to saving his name and don't feel like making him a bad guy just yet. All I wanted was people's honest unbiased opinions on the matter.
Which brings me to the second and MAIN reason.... I've been around enough to see the politics at work sometimes. I've seen the same situation between a known breeder and a nobody...but everyone backs up the known breeder just to collect brownie points. and in the same situation jumps all over a nobody... You see I just want a TRUE UNBIASED opinion..
Now he is not one of the BIG names in the U.S. but I am sure he does have his buddies/fans that will jump in and try to dissect my post just to make him look reasonable.
But what people should realize and see is,when it boils down to it...I am out a large sum of money and no boas shipped...PLAIN an SIMPLE.
The breeder's name is Steven Brockschmidt of Brock's boids from New Jersey...He also goes by just Brock.
I need people's opinion on this and any input would be greatly appreciated from me and my project partner,Ken in this transaction.
Well here's what has happened. My partner contacted Brock for some Motley's but he was sold out. But Brock had something else I really wanted so we then continued to communicate. On 0cterber 14th 2007 we agreed on a deal for a pair of boas, 06 Sharp Sunglow male, poss het Anery and a 04 Anery female 100% het Sharp Albino...originally I only wanted the female, but in order to get her, we had to purchase the pair. A deposit was sent out 6 days after.
Even at this early stages, this guy was impatient and showed signs of making this deal turn into a disaster! By being impatient for the deposit and questioning our character...He even was saying the Money Order I sent him was fake. Being rude on the phone and saying how it better not be fake to my girlfriend when she called....What type of breeder treats their customer like that? I for one would never act like that, does not matter if it was a $100 deal or one over $10,000!! Class act I tell you!
However I really needed the female boa and I hoped for the best and ignored the early signs. Ken did not think we would have problems nor I. We hear good things about him. Ken and I do not live in the same city...We are not even in the same country. I live in Canada and he lives in the U.S. Even though he is my brother in law, we do not communicate daily. And Sometimes I am away on vacation and he's always busy at work. So it's understandable that he cannot always contact me with any updates. However Brock was freaking out again about the remainder of the funds...even though we were not late. Ken is the one in contact with him and I am the one that funds the project. Remember we were never late with the funds...We even sent a letter with our deposit on what day we were gonna pay the rest. And we all agreed on Dec. 31st 2007... Brock was rude over emails and over the phone. I truly do not understand why?
If it was me I'd be happy and helpful to my customers...not to mention that they are shelling out $12,500 and would be continued customers!! Not once was Ken or I have been rude to this person, we just wanted the deal to go smooth! Did not want to chance anything going wrong, becuase we would be and are the one out of over $12K, and Brock has the money and the boas!!
Well I was away near the holidays...I usually spend a few months in the Caribbean for the holidays...and Ken like everyone else, in the Christmas season is busy with family. Well this guy sent Ken an unpleasant email concerning the remainder of the funds...Now come on....Seriously, it's the holidays, No one wants a nasty email...especially when no one past the deadline agreed upon due date! I still don't understand why this person freaked out.
Brock also sent emails that contained some info about him and his situations with a lady friend with Cancer, I actually felt for him. Because I went through a similar situation with my mother and she passed away a few years ago. So I tolerated his actions...also He had an email about doing something for New Years and needed the funds. Even though I was not around.... Ken contacted me and told me about his New Years party situation...although I was gonna send him another Money Order overnite. And even though he has been rude and without a doubt the WORST person I've ever dealt with...I thought I'd do something nice and just wire the cash so he gets the funds immediately and eat the fee's. I don't know maybe the holiday season got to me and I actually do have somewhat of a heart! The fee's on that amount would have been in a few hundred bucks!! So I got my girlfriend to call him to find out his banking info or arrange for a western union. GUESS WHAT!! The guy would not pickup our phone call!!... Instead he sent Ken a NASTY email saying he does not want me or anyone calling him. And gave us a ultimadum and threatening to pull out of the deal! This is without answering my phone call and finding out exactly why I was calling! I don't know what he thought...but atleast pick up the phone!!
At this point I had enough of him and just wanted to end the deal! However He already had over $4K of mine and I was not gonna lose my deposit because of someone making the deal hard. I sometimes wonder if he was trying to make the deal go sour so I lose my deposit
Well Ken sent him an email regarding his actions and we sent him the remainder of the funds on time!
Now let's fast forward a little.
So at the end of January, we asked if the boas could be shipped to a good friend of mine, Big Mike of Basically boas....Now get this, not once was we rushing to ship...because it was still cold and the safety of the boas MUST come first. We just asked if he could either ship them to Mike or not. His reply was not the best either...not your customer caring breeder for sure. Also he stated that he'd rather drive half way and meet and WILL NOT ship to Big Mike. I don't understand this...I think $12,500 should cover shipping and a request to ship anywhere within the country??? It's not like he's shipping to a inexperienced nobody...I wanted him to ship to one of the BEST in our hobby! Big Mike!!
Well now let's fast forward to present day...We have been calling him on his cell and home, paging him, emailing him and even spoke with his mother. But no response whatsoever...This is really getting to me now, and my partner Ken is feeling it from me also. The deal was made in October 14th of 2007 ...Now it's April 23nd, 2008. He has $12,500 of ours and we still have no boas...and worst off, No contact! What would you guys do in this situation? I think I have been more than reasonable and it's taking a toll on my patience.
Honestly I think Brock, in the beginning had full intentions about finishing the deal....But as it went into Breeding season, the thought of producing Sharp Snows was too tempting and he opt to try and squeeze out more out of the deal in his favor. There was only couple people ever to produce Sharp snows...now 3 with Tracey Barker's recent litter. So I am thinking, maybe he wanted to be added on to that exclusive list....not to mention the monetary value of the babies! think about it, both boas were of Breeding age and the combos to make SHARP SNOWS! If this is TRUE!!...It is not right, using both boas I purchased to make more babies and plan to ship me them AFTER she drops! I am going to do whatever it takes for this to NOT happen.
Below I have copy and paste the emails between Ken and this Brock....I have censored my partner's email address, only because I have taken over this matter and anyone wants to email or talk can please contact me. I also have all receipts of FedEx and Money orders. All the dates are on there so everyone can see.
Please read it and give me your honest thoughts...Am I wrong to be worried and upset?? Put yourself in my shoes and tell me your honest opinion.
Thanks in advance for reading and input.
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This is the beginnings of the negotiations....Notice he ask for 30% deposit? That would be $3750
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:54:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I couldn't do them for 10K, I would do it for $11,500 if you could do it right away. If it's a payment plan they are $12,500 with at least a 30% NONREFUNDABLE DEPOSIT (in case you change your mind and I lose any other interested parties) and then pay them off before the end of December. If it was any longer then that I might as well breed her to my DH Sharp Sunglow male now and sell her after she drops.
I did list them and have 1 other guy interested but he's still trying to come up with the money also. Without a deposit I have to sell them to the first to get it to me.
Thanks, Brock
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When we agreed to the deal.... Now he demands at least $4200...not $3750 like the agreement! I've blocked out his address and phone number, anyone wants it...contact me with a good reason.
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:31:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
So we have a deal for a 06 Sharp Sunglow male 50% poss het Anery and a 04 Anery het Sharp Albino female for $12,500 with at least a $4200 (or more) deposit, the balance to be paid off before the end of December.
I give a 30 day health guarantee, that gives you time to get a couple meals in them for a stool sample and get them to a vet if you want. I stand behind any of my animals 100%.
I only add and bring in one or two special Boas a year if at all and quarantine them and do fecals even though they come from well known guys. Most of my collection (except my original breeders) I have produced myself from animals that I've raised from babies. Most of my breeders I bought between 91 to 2001.
Please overnight Postal Money Orders so I can have a tracking number to:
Steven Brockschmidt
************
*********
*******
*******
Give me a call when you get a chance, I like to have at least one phone conversation before I do a deal.
***-***-**** my new number in NJ.
Thanks, Brock
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Now here he show's his impatience and signs of paranoid!
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:10:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: **********@hotmail.com
Hey Ken,
If it's this hard to get a deposit 5 days after you said you would take the deal it makes me nervous to go into a payment plan with you guys. I don't even know your last name and you keep saying my partner with no names there either. Very strange on a high end deal.
If I don't hear from you guys by the end of business today with a tracking number for the deposit I will have to move on to my other offers, I just can't wait any longer. Hope you understand, I just don't think you guys are serious. When I OK a deal, the deposit goes out by overnight mail the next day at the latest and I provide a tracking number.
I would like Postal Money orders, this way were both protected.
Thanks, Brock
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Here's our email with the tracking number for FeEx
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:22:48 +0000
Here is the tracking # for FexEd 8635 4870 1765. Talk to you soon.
Ken
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This next email was after He realized the Money Order was NOT fake and cleared. Man I wonder how stupid he feels?..Obviously not that bad though cuz he still continues later when the final payment was to be made!
All this after he was on the phone telling my girlfriend that the Money Order was phoney and it better clear or else? Or else what?...Why don't you wait a couple days so the bank clears it!!...Who says that to a customer giving you a deposit??
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:02:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
It cleared so the deal is still on. I apoligize for being a little cranky, it's been a rough year for selling Boas and most have not followed thru.
*****
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This email was from Ken, As you can see he was being polite about the phone situation, kinda just want the deal to go smooth. Also we asked if he would switch the 06 Sharp Sunglow male for a 07 motley, since we did not want the male in the first place. However this email just shows how we tried being nice even thought this guy was making the deal difficult to say the least!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:26:08 +0000
Hello Brock, Well it's almost time for us to send you some funds. Yes my partner was a little upset about how you were on the phone with his wife. But after some thought about your situation and your lady friend, he understands. He actually went through the same ordeal with his mother...which is the my mother in law. He says thank you for the project.
We also have a question for you, you still have a male 07 Hypo Motley? Would you be willing to switch the male Motley for the 06 Sharp Sunglow? It would be better for our breding projects, since we have too many male Sharp lines and the Motley would be something different. I'm sure you can sell an 06 breeder size Sunglow no problems. It also saves us time taking our business elsewhere for another motley....I think it's a fair switch...Also then we can for sure send the remainder amount right away, instead of putting a deposit and searching for a motley from some other breeder. I know it's up to you...and we would really appreciate it if you would do it....C'mon for the holiday spirit?!!...LOL
Well get back to me Brock, and from us. Have a safe and Happy Holidays to you and your Loved ones!...truly hope everything is better with you and your friend.
Ken
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Fast forward and things gets more difficult with this guy... The deal deadline was the 31st of December and he is already bugging! It's the Damn HOLIDAYS!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:02:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Haven't heard back from you and the payment plan is up in 6 days. What are we doing?
Brock
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This email is Ken stating that the Money Order will be from a Canadian bank again...So that he does not accuse it of being Fake again! Has to be in Canadian, it's coming from me in Canada...what does he expect? I send Ken a Money Order and then Ken waits to clear it, then cash it and get another Money Order for him? And somehow he does not want us to wire into his account? Like I have a secret way to funnel funds from people's accounts!!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:55:17 +0000
Hello Brock, I can send all the funds after Christmas...just busy with family. However we can only do a Money Order like last time...not a U.S. Money Order, but still good. But the best way is just to do a wire transfer in your account... much quicker and safer.
Ken
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Now this is the email that Ken got and notify me while I was away. this is the one that made me want to be nice for once and wire him funds immediately so he can have a good New Years!...This is the reason we were calling him, just to get either his banking info or discuss a western union wire. But he screened our call and did not answer.... just to freak out on Ken!!
Not to mention I still had 2 days til I had to send the funds!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:57:48 -0500
Subject: Final payment
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I didn't hear from you yesterday. Is the money order on the way today? I had plans for New Years with some of the money and have to cancel if it's not coming today. Please let me know what's going on so I know what I'm doing.
Thanks, Brock
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Another email from him from the same day after he screened our call...jumping to conclusions while we tried to call to arrange so he could have his funds immediately for his New Years party!! Also jumping to conclusions about his better judgement and such! Look at the date...the deal was set for deadline on Dec. 31st...it's still only the 29th!!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:08:01 -0500
Subject: E-mail
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken.
Please contact me yourself via e-mail. Do not have your wife call me on the phone, my deal is with you. The deal is up today and yet I don't have a tracking number or money order in my hands so the payment plan is in default. I gave you three months against my better judgement and here we are, right where I thought we'd be.
Brock
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Yet ANOTHER email from the same day after screening our calls and listening to our messaged for him to call us back. Sorry but we are not gonna leave on your answering machine how we want to be nice and wire the funds to you so you can get it immediately so you won't miss your Super New Years PARTY!!!!!!! SHEEESH! Maybe instead of jumping to conclusions and being decent enough to treat your customers with respect, you'd answer the DAMN phone so you we can TALK to you in person and tell you what we did not want to leave or have time to leave on your answering machine! This email really ticked me off! I was trying to be nice and instead of overnighting the Money Order and having him wait for the funds to clear...I wanted to either put it straight into his account or send it western union and it's still 2 DAYS EARLY!!! And at an amount over $8K from Canada to the U.S. you know how big of a fee I was willing to take??? At least a few hundred dollars just to do a kind gesture...I wouldn't be so ticked off if he did not send these 3 emails on the same day...and this last one is the worst!! How about trying this? Pick up the phone BROCK? I think that's what it's there for, no? Or is it just there to look at and hear it ring then predict what people are calling you for!!!???? I really started to think this guy has some issues!! Brock emails saying to not let anyone call him, while he does not pickup his phone or know who or what the phone call was all about!! Again jumping the gun, being paranoid thinking we somehow is out to get him...or thinking we can reach through the phone to do something to him!! I wish I could, then I'd slap some senses to him and get my boas at the same time!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:06:59 -0500
Subject: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
My deal was made with you and you alone. Please don't have Kahanes or your wife call me on the phone, be a man and handle your business. You made the deal, you contact me within 24 hours. If I don't hear from you personally with a good reason why I don't have the final payment on time you forfeit your deposit like I said and you agreed to in our original e-mail.
Thanks, Brock
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This email was Ken's response after he spoke to me and I told him how MAD I was and the deal was getting ridiculous! It took Ken reminding me of losing our deposit...which did not matter that much to me by then...to calm me down. But what really mattered was my girlfriend reminding me why I wanted this deal and how bad I wanted the female for my project that kept me from just saying F**K IT!! Also I made sure Ken stated in the end of the email the deadline we agreed on for the remainder of the funds....End of December..December has 31 DAYS!!! And from all his actions, I wanted to make sure he does not get it a day earlier!! I swear this guy just wanted to end the deal...which I will explain why later...Or he wanted us to lose our deposit and get a free $4K+
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:16:35 +0000
Hello Brock, I don't know what I did or we did for you to be so hostile. Just like when they sent the deposit. You were so into thinking the Money Order was not real and when KaHane's girlfriend tried to talk to you, she could not even get one word out. All you did was give her a lecture which was really not called for as you realized since the Money Order cleared and it was legit. What do you mean by being a man? KaHane is my partner with this and all my projects. He has the funds...I certainly do not make enough to afford all these high end boas. I am the one in the U.S. and it's much easier for our projects that I do some negotiating, receive and care for the boas here. KaHane and I really want and like your boas obviously. And you are making it so hard for us to deal with you? It's the holiday season and everyone is busy and should have a good holiday spirit. I don't know what you were thinking when they called you...and I don't know why you have jump to the thought of somehow getting upset, especially in the holiday season *****. I wished you had called them back and found out why we had called instead of emails. I have a feeling you jumped to the conclusion that that we do not have the funds....please how do you know without calling back? It's the holiday season and I don't want to have a negative experience with this and we truly do not want you to go through any unecessary stress either...especially when there is none...Holiday cheers man.
Nevertheless, here's what is going on....You contacted me about a NY trip that you were going to and wanted to have the funds. I talked it over with KaHane and he decided to see if there was anyway to just wire the funds or western union it to you...Just so you had cash and not have to wait for the funds to clear. We all know how much of a pain it is to wait for funds to clear. KaHane specificly was the one who thought of the idea and was going to eat the western union fees, because he felt that you needed it and did not want you to cancel your trip. He feels that you have gone through enough this year and did not want to be holding you back from a good New years. Which surprises me, because he usually not like that. They tried calling you for either your bank wire info or ask you if you can go pick up cash at a western union location. All KaHane was doing is try to be nice because it's the holiday season Brock...that's all! Trust me, he is not that nice normally.
But once he found out about your emails to me, he was a little upset. Because all it was is to get you your funds immediately...and somehow you either don't trust or don't give a chance for something to work. Like the deposit... Do you think somehow we are going to get into your account and steal money?? KaHane has enough money that he does not need to steal.
I really don't understand it Brock... and more so, I don't understand why you jump to conclusions without even giving the chance for something to go through.
Wow what a novel...and personally this writing is getting me down. I should be spending time with my family and not stress or be down. I think we all want this deal to be finished...it's been not the best experience...when it should have. Your Money is there with him and since he could not reach you...He will just send it Monday morning with a tracking number... unless you want to give a wire info to receive it right away. Other than that...I don't know what else to say or reply...we can keep in contact when you have the funds and you are ready for shipping.
Wish you the best with a safe Holidays and New Years!.
Ken
P.S. There was a note with the deposit stating remaining payment by the end of December...
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His response to this was simple...Like he did not give a care about anything else other than himself. No apologies or sorry for jumping the gun or even misunderstanding!! Simple reply, I am AMAZED!! at this guy's customer appreciation and treatment!! Really shows what type of Jerk he is all away across a border, thinking he's safe...so he can act like he's the SHIT!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:17:13 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Send me the money order as promised today with a tracking number so we can end this deal.
Brock
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Here's the email with the tracking number with Fedex with his money order. Knowing we had to save the deal and not risk losing the boas, Ken was polite, especially considering the situation.
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:05:40 +0000
Hello Brock, here's the tracking number with FedEx overnight.
863547508025
Thank again, My partners and I are looking forward to finishing up our deal on a good note.
Ken
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Guess what? Our money order cleared!!! SHEEESH!! And now he wants to meet half way to deliver the boas...HELL NO!! After the shit we went through and the HEFTY price tag...I think SHIPPING is included!! The price was shipping included!
Anyways we were in NO rush to ship anyways so I'd rather wait. I told Ken, no way! We are not going to go our of his way for a guy that treats us like this to drive and spend more $$ to get out boas! He has to come through on his end of the deal...There's 12,500 reasons why he should be able to come through!
Also if he was not such a paranoid jerk about things, he could have had CASH on the 29th!!..Still piss me off about that!
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:12:18 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Fedex showed up Wed, it will take a few days to clear. How do you want to get the animals? I can't guarantee shipping them in this weather and your a lot colder then me, doesn't seem to be worth the risk going overnight anyway with these temps since we are only about 5 hours apart.
*****
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Our reply and simple request for shipping to Big Mike, also we did not mean to ship ASAP!! The boas health is first and for most...also we especially did not want anything to happen to such a high end investment!
***Also on a side note, Kevin Murphy...your post on my earlier thread that got closed?
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Possibly waiting 27 days to answer his Jan 3 email then jumping on him for not getting back to you right away may have set the tone.
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Kevin Murphy
Are you serious dude? are are you just NUTS!! Have you even read any of the emails? you actually think Ken or I started or "set the tone" to all this?? Let me tell you this, I for one was away and I think after what we went through with Brock and he got his money ON TIME!! I know I needed a break from the whole situation! Also after sending that large amount of money, you'd think it'll be ok for the breeder to hold on for at least 27 DAYS!! Hell, if he was bored in those 27 days from not hearing from us...go spend the damn $12,500 dollars we just sent you!!
Kevin send me the cash...wait 27 to contact me...I'll ignore you and not ship you your boas...but DON'T get upset! you set the tone for being ripped off because I was "hurt because you did not contact me in 27 days. I'm sorry!
SHEEEESH!! What the hell are you thinking!
We felt no need to contact him and talk about what? about how much of a nightmare this deal has taken course?? Nah, I'd rather enjoy what was left of my holidays! Also we did not even need to contact him about shipping yet! it was the beginning of January!! Also the last thing I wanted to think about is BROCK!! He had so far been nothing but your worst nightmare seller/breeder!! I was just happy that he got all the funds so he could atleast calm down or go celebrate a belated new years!!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:51:51 +0000
Hello Brock, sorry it's been awhile since I contacted you. We have been really busy lately and just so hectic that it seems like not enough time in a day. Well as for shipping, I need to request for you to do 2 separate shipping for us. Of course if there is any extra fees, we can cover it. First off is the Sharp sunglow male. I need him shipped to Big Mike at Basically boas. I contacted Mike already and he asked for you to contact him and make arrangements together with him. And as for the female Anery het sharp, I'd need to to be shipped overnite or preferably delta to Buffalo. But we can arrange that after, no real rush on her. However can you please contact me and work something out with him for the male. Keep me in touch
Ken
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We did not get a reply...and this is when we started getting less and less contact...Hmmm... Got our money and contact is getting scarce...sounds no good.
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:26:28 +0000
Hello Brock, did you get my last email on shipping? Please get back to me regarding this matter.
Ken
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His response was another classic for him...No hello or let's see if we can work something out. And once again about the meeting when the price was shipping included!
To: *********@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: deposit
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:39:07 -0500
From: [email protected]
Yes I did. Did you even read my last email 27 days ago? It's in the 20's here and way too cold too ship. Let me know if you want to pick them up since were only 5 or 6 hours apart or I'll have to wait till the weather lets me ship with Fedex. If I do the snakes are going together to you, you can ship them to whoever you want after that.
I'm out of town working till next friday so nothing can happen till a week from Monday anyway.
Brock
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Another email about meeting...We have busy schedules and cannot just drive all that way to meet, especially when the deal was shipping included. I know I'd do whatever the customer wanted. Now I am kicking myself for not meeting up with him, a tleast I'd have the boas....But somehow I he knew we wouldn't meet and I think if we agreed something would come up and that would not fly. I have been contacting him daily about meeting up so we can get this deal done with and no response!
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:30:35 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Shipping doesn't look good anytime soon with this weather. Do you want to meet halfway this weekend and drop these off to you?
Brock
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Our reply...
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:22:01 +0000
Hello Brock, Unfortunately I am unable to meet up. With my job and time with my family, I have no time. I guess we have to wait for a suitable time for shipping. I am sure FedEx ships fine just as long as it is above 20F.... I just had a few boas shipped from other Breeders. Please keep your ears open for the next soonest available day to ship. I think the best method is to ship to my nearest FedEx office so there is less travel time in the trucks and I can pick it up there.
Thanks and please keep me updated.
Ken
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Yet another email to him informing him of the weather conditions and Fedex's and Delta's shipping temperature policy.
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:51:12 +0000
Hello Brock, just seeing if there is any updates? I think it is safe to ship just as long as the weather is above 20F... I've been having several shipments coming to me from FedEx and Delta lately and everything is fine. Just as long as it's delivered before 10:30am...or anytime with Delta. Please get back to me as I would really appreciate finishing up this deal.
Thanks, Ken
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Now this response gave us hope and belief that the deal was gonna finally be good. However we opted to wait instead of waiving the live guarantee, because just in case...from his previous actions would you blame us?? and it's was strange how nice he seemed on this email? I think this is the first one he's been decently nice since we made the deal? I for sure wanted to make sure the boas were 100% healthy and did not want any excuses.
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:56:01 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Hey Ken,
I'm trying but I can't guarantee them below 40 degrees and as far as I know most breeders I know do the same. I do a nice packing job with 40 hour heat packs and they should be fine but I just don't have any thing to replace them with if there is a problem due to the weather. I'm nervous to ship this much in snakes fed ex that's why I would rather drop them off but you're against that for some reason. I'll try to get them out next week if the weather goes up unless you want to waive the live delivery guarantee. Don't forget they have to go to the shipping hub halfway across the country and back just to go back 5 hours north of me and nights are still in the teens in both. I've never seen anybody guaranteeing live delivery in 20 degree weather.
Let me know if it's still too cold and you want to waive the live delivery guarantee below 40 degrees I will ship Monday.
Brock
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So our reply and making sure the there is no excuses... Also trying once again to get the boas shipped to Big Mike. It's funny how after shelling such a large sum of money out, this guy still acts like it's his boas and will only do or ship when and how he wants!! I think the buyer should have some if not ALL entitlement to when and where the boas should be shipped? Obviously it has to be a safe method and place with the snakes health at the top priority! And I think I can definitely be safe saying to Basically boas is an ideal place!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:14:25 +0000
Hello Brock...I think it was for the better that we waited. I see that all week next week is fair weather and above 40F...So let's plan on shipping next week. You sure you cannot ship both boas to Big Mike?...I would rather you do that...let me know, considering they are paid off, can I not request them to be shipped to Mike? Mike is a very respected breeder and he won't screw around. Basically boas are top notch and I don't think I need to tell you that.....Let me know because they are gonna have to get shipped to him anyways, and for the sake of the snake's health. I'd like to request them be shipped to Mike.
Thanks, Ken
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Another Email about shipping....
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I'll be back in town Tuesday and will try to get them out Wed. What's your ddress.
Brock
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Now I wished Ken got this email earlier, but really if the boas were gonna be shipped...say if Ken got back to Brock earlier...Then since then and now, he has had plenty of time to ship...but we still have NO BOAS!!
RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Wed 4/02/08 7:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Hello Brock, I am away on business right now, However I do want the boas to be shipped and finish the deal. I've been checking the forecast and it looks like all this week the temps are above 40F...And Thursday is above 50F, So shipping Weds for Thursday delivery would be awesome. The thing is I am away and I really want to finish the deal and get the boas Shipped.... So I can send someone to pick the boas up if you send it Delta or FedEx's hub that we regularly get shipments shipped to. Also I think if temps are above 30F FedEx ships no problems....I've just had several breeders shipped to us the past week with no problems. Also they know us there pretty well, So the boas will be safe.
Here's the info for shipping:
****** ****
Federal Express
*** ******
**********, NY *****
She can pick it up and set the boas up at the facility.
Also here is her number if you need to reach her for any reason
**********
Thank you Brock and please get back to me with all shipping info, so we can make arrangements....She is off work all day Thursday, So I'd like to request that day for delivery.
Ken
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His response, Ken got the email late since he was away...so shipping could not get done....Well Brock got the email late too! So shipping could have gotten done if one of them got to their emails earlier...However he could have arrange for another shipment...but we have no boas...so no such arrangements!
Re: deposit?
From: [email protected]
Sent: Thu 4/03/08 7:07 AM
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I didn't get in till late on Tues and didn't read this till wed after work so the Boas didn't go out. I'll have to send them out next week cause I don't ship on Thurs. incase they get lost. You have to get back to me sooner then the same day you want them shipped, I don't get a chance to check my e-mail everyday.
Brock
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More emails to him to try to get shipping out or meet if have to!
RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com)
Sent: Tue 4/08/08 7:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Hello Brock, Let's plan this shipping out. Any day is fine, We can pick them up...you pick and arrange it and get back to me.
Thanks, Ken
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Some more attempts to contact him...
RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Thu 4/17/08 1:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Hello Brock, we have tried to call and paged you. We would like to finish this deal man...This is more reason I would like to finish this off. The $12500 is including shipping, but if you want to meet...then that is fine. Anything to finish this deal....So reply to me asap.
Ken
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RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri 4/18/08 8:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Brock what is going one? I personally feel this is getting rediculous and the boas should have been shipped already. I really don't want to take this to the BOI, but considering you have the funds of $12.5 for how long now?? I'm being forced to take matters further. Please contact me so it does not have to be taken there.
Ken
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RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Sat 4/19/08 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Brock, please contact me!
Ken
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Now please someone tell me what's you would do in my situation??? I definitely know if Brock was in Canada. He's definitely would not being doing this. TRUST ME he'd know better!!
What I BELIEVE and some other people I've talked to believe is that he bred the Sharp sunglow with the Anery female and waiting to produce Sharp Snows before he ships to me...which isn't right at all!!
I also had thought that he might be ion some type of trouble, Jail? or hurt in the hospital...or possibly away on vacation! That is another reason why I did not want to post his name on my last thread. Just to STILL, I don't know why?? give him the benefit of the doubt. However Ken and my girlfriend called his house today and talked to his mother again. Ken even asked if Brock was okay or away...is he having some problems. She told him that he is fine...but is concerned about this situation. They left a message again with her...and again no calls or emails from Brock!
Now please give me your honest advice or input on this. What would you do if you were in this exact situation??
I know some might be friends of Brock...but I have put up the evidence, so if you are his friend. Please do your friend a favor and contact him... this is and will be getting more SERIOUS, the longer it goes on.
And if ANY breeder or even anyone out there reading this, have heard Brock or any of his peers talk about any upcoming litters from a Sharp Sunglow....or Anery Het sunglow. Please do the right thing and contact me...If you are his friend and don't want to post any info you have...just contact me. And if you want me to keep it private or somehow let this situation end. I will, just as long as I get my boas! I have no desires to talk or write a novel about somebody...I have way too many things to do. But I was forced to do this...ALL I WANT IS MY BOAS!!
Thank you in advance for comments and advices.
KaHane Limsana
Please let me explain the reason I did not put the breeder's name on the thread. Well there's 2 reasons...first, I still want the guy to have a chance to saving his name and don't feel like making him a bad guy just yet. All I wanted was people's honest unbiased opinions on the matter.
Which brings me to the second and MAIN reason.... I've been around enough to see the politics at work sometimes. I've seen the same situation between a known breeder and a nobody...but everyone backs up the known breeder just to collect brownie points. and in the same situation jumps all over a nobody... You see I just want a TRUE UNBIASED opinion..
Now he is not one of the BIG names in the U.S. but I am sure he does have his buddies/fans that will jump in and try to dissect my post just to make him look reasonable.
But what people should realize and see is,when it boils down to it...I am out a large sum of money and no boas shipped...PLAIN an SIMPLE.
The breeder's name is Steven Brockschmidt of Brock's boids from New Jersey...He also goes by just Brock.
I need people's opinion on this and any input would be greatly appreciated from me and my project partner,Ken in this transaction.
Well here's what has happened. My partner contacted Brock for some Motley's but he was sold out. But Brock had something else I really wanted so we then continued to communicate. On 0cterber 14th 2007 we agreed on a deal for a pair of boas, 06 Sharp Sunglow male, poss het Anery and a 04 Anery female 100% het Sharp Albino...originally I only wanted the female, but in order to get her, we had to purchase the pair. A deposit was sent out 6 days after.
Even at this early stages, this guy was impatient and showed signs of making this deal turn into a disaster! By being impatient for the deposit and questioning our character...He even was saying the Money Order I sent him was fake. Being rude on the phone and saying how it better not be fake to my girlfriend when she called....What type of breeder treats their customer like that? I for one would never act like that, does not matter if it was a $100 deal or one over $10,000!! Class act I tell you!
However I really needed the female boa and I hoped for the best and ignored the early signs. Ken did not think we would have problems nor I. We hear good things about him. Ken and I do not live in the same city...We are not even in the same country. I live in Canada and he lives in the U.S. Even though he is my brother in law, we do not communicate daily. And Sometimes I am away on vacation and he's always busy at work. So it's understandable that he cannot always contact me with any updates. However Brock was freaking out again about the remainder of the funds...even though we were not late. Ken is the one in contact with him and I am the one that funds the project. Remember we were never late with the funds...We even sent a letter with our deposit on what day we were gonna pay the rest. And we all agreed on Dec. 31st 2007... Brock was rude over emails and over the phone. I truly do not understand why?
If it was me I'd be happy and helpful to my customers...not to mention that they are shelling out $12,500 and would be continued customers!! Not once was Ken or I have been rude to this person, we just wanted the deal to go smooth! Did not want to chance anything going wrong, becuase we would be and are the one out of over $12K, and Brock has the money and the boas!!Well I was away near the holidays...I usually spend a few months in the Caribbean for the holidays...and Ken like everyone else, in the Christmas season is busy with family. Well this guy sent Ken an unpleasant email concerning the remainder of the funds...Now come on....Seriously, it's the holidays, No one wants a nasty email...especially when no one past the deadline agreed upon due date! I still don't understand why this person freaked out.
Brock also sent emails that contained some info about him and his situations with a lady friend with Cancer, I actually felt for him. Because I went through a similar situation with my mother and she passed away a few years ago. So I tolerated his actions...also He had an email about doing something for New Years and needed the funds. Even though I was not around.... Ken contacted me and told me about his New Years party situation...although I was gonna send him another Money Order overnite. And even though he has been rude and without a doubt the WORST person I've ever dealt with...I thought I'd do something nice and just wire the cash so he gets the funds immediately and eat the fee's. I don't know maybe the holiday season got to me and I actually do have somewhat of a heart! The fee's on that amount would have been in a few hundred bucks!! So I got my girlfriend to call him to find out his banking info or arrange for a western union. GUESS WHAT!! The guy would not pickup our phone call!!... Instead he sent Ken a NASTY email saying he does not want me or anyone calling him. And gave us a ultimadum and threatening to pull out of the deal! This is without answering my phone call and finding out exactly why I was calling! I don't know what he thought...but atleast pick up the phone!!
At this point I had enough of him and just wanted to end the deal!
However He already had over $4K of mine and I was not gonna lose my deposit because of someone making the deal hard. I sometimes wonder if he was trying to make the deal go sour so I lose my depositWell Ken sent him an email regarding his actions and we sent him the remainder of the funds on time!
Now let's fast forward a little.
So at the end of January, we asked if the boas could be shipped to a good friend of mine, Big Mike of Basically boas....Now get this, not once was we rushing to ship...because it was still cold and the safety of the boas MUST come first. We just asked if he could either ship them to Mike or not. His reply was not the best either...not your customer caring breeder for sure. Also he stated that he'd rather drive half way and meet and WILL NOT ship to Big Mike. I don't understand this...I think $12,500 should cover shipping and a request to ship anywhere within the country???
It's not like he's shipping to a inexperienced nobody...I wanted him to ship to one of the BEST in our hobby! Big Mike!!Well now let's fast forward to present day...We have been calling him on his cell and home, paging him, emailing him and even spoke with his mother. But no response whatsoever...This is really getting to me now, and my partner Ken is feeling it from me also. The deal was made in October 14th of 2007 ...Now it's April 23nd, 2008. He has $12,500 of ours and we still have no boas...and worst off, No contact! What would you guys do in this situation? I think I have been more than reasonable and it's taking a toll on my patience.
Honestly I think Brock, in the beginning had full intentions about finishing the deal....But as it went into Breeding season, the thought of producing Sharp Snows was too tempting and he opt to try and squeeze out more out of the deal in his favor. There was only couple people ever to produce Sharp snows...now 3 with Tracey Barker's recent litter. So I am thinking, maybe he wanted to be added on to that exclusive list....not to mention the monetary value of the babies! think about it, both boas were of Breeding age and the combos to make SHARP SNOWS! If this is TRUE!!...It is not right, using both boas I purchased to make more babies and plan to ship me them AFTER she drops! I am going to do whatever it takes for this to NOT happen.
Below I have copy and paste the emails between Ken and this Brock....I have censored my partner's email address, only because I have taken over this matter and anyone wants to email or talk can please contact me. I also have all receipts of FedEx and Money orders. All the dates are on there so everyone can see.
Please read it and give me your honest thoughts...Am I wrong to be worried and upset?? Put yourself in my shoes and tell me your honest opinion.
Thanks in advance for reading and input.
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This is the beginnings of the negotiations....Notice he ask for 30% deposit? That would be $3750
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:54:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I couldn't do them for 10K, I would do it for $11,500 if you could do it right away. If it's a payment plan they are $12,500 with at least a 30% NONREFUNDABLE DEPOSIT (in case you change your mind and I lose any other interested parties) and then pay them off before the end of December. If it was any longer then that I might as well breed her to my DH Sharp Sunglow male now and sell her after she drops.
I did list them and have 1 other guy interested but he's still trying to come up with the money also. Without a deposit I have to sell them to the first to get it to me.
Thanks, Brock
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When we agreed to the deal.... Now he demands at least $4200...not $3750 like the agreement! I've blocked out his address and phone number, anyone wants it...contact me with a good reason.
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:31:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
So we have a deal for a 06 Sharp Sunglow male 50% poss het Anery and a 04 Anery het Sharp Albino female for $12,500 with at least a $4200 (or more) deposit, the balance to be paid off before the end of December.
I give a 30 day health guarantee, that gives you time to get a couple meals in them for a stool sample and get them to a vet if you want. I stand behind any of my animals 100%.
I only add and bring in one or two special Boas a year if at all and quarantine them and do fecals even though they come from well known guys. Most of my collection (except my original breeders) I have produced myself from animals that I've raised from babies. Most of my breeders I bought between 91 to 2001.
Please overnight Postal Money Orders so I can have a tracking number to:
Steven Brockschmidt
************
*********
*******
*******
Give me a call when you get a chance, I like to have at least one phone conversation before I do a deal.
***-***-**** my new number in NJ.
Thanks, Brock
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Now here he show's his impatience and signs of paranoid!
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:10:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: **********@hotmail.com
Hey Ken,
If it's this hard to get a deposit 5 days after you said you would take the deal it makes me nervous to go into a payment plan with you guys. I don't even know your last name and you keep saying my partner with no names there either. Very strange on a high end deal.
If I don't hear from you guys by the end of business today with a tracking number for the deposit I will have to move on to my other offers, I just can't wait any longer. Hope you understand, I just don't think you guys are serious. When I OK a deal, the deposit goes out by overnight mail the next day at the latest and I provide a tracking number.
I would like Postal Money orders, this way were both protected.
Thanks, Brock
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Here's our email with the tracking number for FeEx
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:22:48 +0000
Here is the tracking # for FexEd 8635 4870 1765. Talk to you soon.
Ken
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This next email was after He realized the Money Order was NOT fake and cleared. Man I wonder how stupid he feels?..Obviously not that bad though cuz he still continues later when the final payment was to be made!
All this after he was on the phone telling my girlfriend that the Money Order was phoney and it better clear or else? Or else what?
...Why don't you wait a couple days so the bank clears it!!...Who says that to a customer giving you a deposit??From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:02:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
It cleared so the deal is still on. I apoligize for being a little cranky, it's been a rough year for selling Boas and most have not followed thru.
*****
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This email was from Ken, As you can see he was being polite about the phone situation, kinda just want the deal to go smooth. Also we asked if he would switch the 06 Sharp Sunglow male for a 07 motley, since we did not want the male in the first place. However this email just shows how we tried being nice even thought this guy was making the deal difficult to say the least!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:26:08 +0000
Hello Brock, Well it's almost time for us to send you some funds. Yes my partner was a little upset about how you were on the phone with his wife. But after some thought about your situation and your lady friend, he understands. He actually went through the same ordeal with his mother...which is the my mother in law. He says thank you for the project.
We also have a question for you, you still have a male 07 Hypo Motley? Would you be willing to switch the male Motley for the 06 Sharp Sunglow? It would be better for our breding projects, since we have too many male Sharp lines and the Motley would be something different. I'm sure you can sell an 06 breeder size Sunglow no problems. It also saves us time taking our business elsewhere for another motley....I think it's a fair switch...Also then we can for sure send the remainder amount right away, instead of putting a deposit and searching for a motley from some other breeder. I know it's up to you...and we would really appreciate it if you would do it....C'mon for the holiday spirit?!!...LOL
Well get back to me Brock, and from us. Have a safe and Happy Holidays to you and your Loved ones!...truly hope everything is better with you and your friend.
Ken
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Fast forward and things gets more difficult with this guy... The deal deadline was the 31st of December and he is already bugging! It's the Damn HOLIDAYS!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:02:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Haven't heard back from you and the payment plan is up in 6 days. What are we doing?
Brock
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This email is Ken stating that the Money Order will be from a Canadian bank again...So that he does not accuse it of being Fake again! Has to be in Canadian, it's coming from me in Canada...what does he expect? I send Ken a Money Order and then Ken waits to clear it, then cash it and get another Money Order for him? And somehow he does not want us to wire into his account? Like I have a secret way to funnel funds from people's accounts!!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Message about: Hypo Motley Male 100% Het Coral Sunglow
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:55:17 +0000
Hello Brock, I can send all the funds after Christmas...just busy with family. However we can only do a Money Order like last time...not a U.S. Money Order, but still good. But the best way is just to do a wire transfer in your account... much quicker and safer.
Ken
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Now this is the email that Ken got and notify me while I was away. this is the one that made me want to be nice for once and wire him funds immediately so he can have a good New Years!...This is the reason we were calling him, just to get either his banking info or discuss a western union wire. But he screened our call and did not answer.... just to freak out on Ken!!
Not to mention I still had 2 days til I had to send the funds!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:57:48 -0500
Subject: Final payment
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I didn't hear from you yesterday. Is the money order on the way today? I had plans for New Years with some of the money and have to cancel if it's not coming today. Please let me know what's going on so I know what I'm doing.
Thanks, Brock
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Another email from him from the same day after he screened our call...jumping to conclusions while we tried to call to arrange so he could have his funds immediately for his New Years party!! Also jumping to conclusions about his better judgement and such! Look at the date...the deal was set for deadline on Dec. 31st...it's still only the 29th!!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:08:01 -0500
Subject: E-mail
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken.
Please contact me yourself via e-mail. Do not have your wife call me on the phone, my deal is with you. The deal is up today and yet I don't have a tracking number or money order in my hands so the payment plan is in default. I gave you three months against my better judgement and here we are, right where I thought we'd be.
Brock
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Yet ANOTHER email from the same day after screening our calls and listening to our messaged for him to call us back. Sorry but we are not gonna leave on your answering machine how we want to be nice and wire the funds to you so you can get it immediately so you won't miss your Super New Years PARTY!!!!!!! SHEEESH! Maybe instead of jumping to conclusions and being decent enough to treat your customers with respect, you'd answer the DAMN phone so you we can TALK to you in person and tell you what we did not want to leave or have time to leave on your answering machine! This email really ticked me off!
I was trying to be nice and instead of overnighting the Money Order and having him wait for the funds to clear...I wanted to either put it straight into his account or send it western union and it's still 2 DAYS EARLY!!! And at an amount over $8K from Canada to the U.S. you know how big of a fee I was willing to take??? At least a few hundred dollars just to do a kind gesture...I wouldn't be so ticked off if he did not send these 3 emails on the same day...and this last one is the worst!! How about trying this? Pick up the phone BROCK? I think that's what it's there for, no? Or is it just there to look at and hear it ring then predict what people are calling you for!!!???? I really started to think this guy has some issues!! Brock emails saying to not let anyone call him, while he does not pickup his phone or know who or what the phone call was all about!! Again jumping the gun, being paranoid thinking we somehow is out to get him...or thinking we can reach through the phone to do something to him!! I wish I could, then I'd slap some senses to him and get my boas at the same time!From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:06:59 -0500
Subject: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
My deal was made with you and you alone. Please don't have Kahanes or your wife call me on the phone, be a man and handle your business. You made the deal, you contact me within 24 hours. If I don't hear from you personally with a good reason why I don't have the final payment on time you forfeit your deposit like I said and you agreed to in our original e-mail.
Thanks, Brock
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This email was Ken's response after he spoke to me and I told him how MAD I was and the deal was getting ridiculous! It took Ken reminding me of losing our deposit...which did not matter that much to me by then...to calm me down. But what really mattered was my girlfriend reminding me why I wanted this deal and how bad I wanted the female for my project that kept me from just saying F**K IT!! Also I made sure Ken stated in the end of the email the deadline we agreed on for the remainder of the funds....End of December..December has 31 DAYS!!! And from all his actions, I wanted to make sure he does not get it a day earlier!! I swear this guy just wanted to end the deal...which I will explain why later...Or he wanted us to lose our deposit and get a free $4K+
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:16:35 +0000
Hello Brock, I don't know what I did or we did for you to be so hostile. Just like when they sent the deposit. You were so into thinking the Money Order was not real and when KaHane's girlfriend tried to talk to you, she could not even get one word out. All you did was give her a lecture which was really not called for as you realized since the Money Order cleared and it was legit. What do you mean by being a man? KaHane is my partner with this and all my projects. He has the funds...I certainly do not make enough to afford all these high end boas. I am the one in the U.S. and it's much easier for our projects that I do some negotiating, receive and care for the boas here. KaHane and I really want and like your boas obviously. And you are making it so hard for us to deal with you? It's the holiday season and everyone is busy and should have a good holiday spirit. I don't know what you were thinking when they called you...and I don't know why you have jump to the thought of somehow getting upset, especially in the holiday season *****. I wished you had called them back and found out why we had called instead of emails. I have a feeling you jumped to the conclusion that that we do not have the funds....please how do you know without calling back? It's the holiday season and I don't want to have a negative experience with this and we truly do not want you to go through any unecessary stress either...especially when there is none...Holiday cheers man.
Nevertheless, here's what is going on....You contacted me about a NY trip that you were going to and wanted to have the funds. I talked it over with KaHane and he decided to see if there was anyway to just wire the funds or western union it to you...Just so you had cash and not have to wait for the funds to clear. We all know how much of a pain it is to wait for funds to clear. KaHane specificly was the one who thought of the idea and was going to eat the western union fees, because he felt that you needed it and did not want you to cancel your trip. He feels that you have gone through enough this year and did not want to be holding you back from a good New years. Which surprises me, because he usually not like that. They tried calling you for either your bank wire info or ask you if you can go pick up cash at a western union location. All KaHane was doing is try to be nice because it's the holiday season Brock...that's all! Trust me, he is not that nice normally.
But once he found out about your emails to me, he was a little upset. Because all it was is to get you your funds immediately...and somehow you either don't trust or don't give a chance for something to work. Like the deposit... Do you think somehow we are going to get into your account and steal money?? KaHane has enough money that he does not need to steal.
I really don't understand it Brock... and more so, I don't understand why you jump to conclusions without even giving the chance for something to go through.
Wow what a novel...and personally this writing is getting me down. I should be spending time with my family and not stress or be down. I think we all want this deal to be finished...it's been not the best experience...when it should have. Your Money is there with him and since he could not reach you...He will just send it Monday morning with a tracking number... unless you want to give a wire info to receive it right away. Other than that...I don't know what else to say or reply...we can keep in contact when you have the funds and you are ready for shipping.
Wish you the best with a safe Holidays and New Years!.
Ken
P.S. There was a note with the deposit stating remaining payment by the end of December...
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His response to this was simple...Like he did not give a care about anything else other than himself. No apologies or sorry for jumping the gun or even misunderstanding!! Simple reply, I am AMAZED!! at this guy's customer appreciation and treatment!! Really shows what type of Jerk he is all away across a border, thinking he's safe...so he can act like he's the SHIT!!
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:17:13 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Send me the money order as promised today with a tracking number so we can end this deal.
Brock
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Here's the email with the tracking number with Fedex with his money order. Knowing we had to save the deal and not risk losing the boas, Ken was polite, especially considering the situation.
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:05:40 +0000
Hello Brock, here's the tracking number with FedEx overnight.
863547508025
Thank again, My partners and I are looking forward to finishing up our deal on a good note.
Ken
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Guess what? Our money order cleared!!! SHEEESH!! And now he wants to meet half way to deliver the boas...HELL NO!! After the shit we went through and the HEFTY price tag...I think SHIPPING is included!! The price was shipping included!
Anyways we were in NO rush to ship anyways so I'd rather wait. I told Ken, no way! We are not going to go our of his way for a guy that treats us like this to drive and spend more $$ to get out boas! He has to come through on his end of the deal...There's 12,500 reasons why he should be able to come through!
Also if he was not such a paranoid jerk about things, he could have had CASH on the 29th!!..Still piss me off about that!
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:12:18 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Fedex showed up Wed, it will take a few days to clear. How do you want to get the animals? I can't guarantee shipping them in this weather and your a lot colder then me, doesn't seem to be worth the risk going overnight anyway with these temps since we are only about 5 hours apart.
*****
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Our reply and simple request for shipping to Big Mike, also we did not mean to ship ASAP!! The boas health is first and for most...also we especially did not want anything to happen to such a high end investment!
***Also on a side note, Kevin Murphy...your post on my earlier thread that got closed?
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Possibly waiting 27 days to answer his Jan 3 email then jumping on him for not getting back to you right away may have set the tone.
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Kevin Murphy
Are you serious dude? are are you just NUTS!! Have you even read any of the emails? you actually think Ken or I started or "set the tone" to all this?? Let me tell you this, I for one was away and I think after what we went through with Brock and he got his money ON TIME!! I know I needed a break from the whole situation! Also after sending that large amount of money, you'd think it'll be ok for the breeder to hold on for at least 27 DAYS!! Hell, if he was bored in those 27 days from not hearing from us...go spend the damn $12,500 dollars we just sent you!!
Kevin send me the cash...wait 27 to contact me...I'll ignore you and not ship you your boas...but DON'T get upset! you set the tone for being ripped off because I was "hurt because you did not contact me in 27 days. I'm sorry!
SHEEEESH!! What the hell are you thinking!
We felt no need to contact him and talk about what? about how much of a nightmare this deal has taken course?? Nah, I'd rather enjoy what was left of my holidays! Also we did not even need to contact him about shipping yet! it was the beginning of January!! Also the last thing I wanted to think about is BROCK!! He had so far been nothing but your worst nightmare seller/breeder!! I was just happy that he got all the funds so he could atleast calm down or go celebrate a belated new years!!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:51:51 +0000
Hello Brock, sorry it's been awhile since I contacted you. We have been really busy lately and just so hectic that it seems like not enough time in a day. Well as for shipping, I need to request for you to do 2 separate shipping for us. Of course if there is any extra fees, we can cover it. First off is the Sharp sunglow male. I need him shipped to Big Mike at Basically boas. I contacted Mike already and he asked for you to contact him and make arrangements together with him. And as for the female Anery het sharp, I'd need to to be shipped overnite or preferably delta to Buffalo. But we can arrange that after, no real rush on her. However can you please contact me and work something out with him for the male. Keep me in touch
Ken
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We did not get a reply...and this is when we started getting less and less contact...Hmmm... Got our money and contact is getting scarce...sounds no good.
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:26:28 +0000
Hello Brock, did you get my last email on shipping? Please get back to me regarding this matter.
Ken
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His response was another classic for him...No hello or let's see if we can work something out. And once again about the meeting when the price was shipping included!
To: *********@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: deposit
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:39:07 -0500
From: [email protected]
Yes I did. Did you even read my last email 27 days ago? It's in the 20's here and way too cold too ship. Let me know if you want to pick them up since were only 5 or 6 hours apart or I'll have to wait till the weather lets me ship with Fedex. If I do the snakes are going together to you, you can ship them to whoever you want after that.
I'm out of town working till next friday so nothing can happen till a week from Monday anyway.
Brock
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Another email about meeting...We have busy schedules and cannot just drive all that way to meet, especially when the deal was shipping included. I know I'd do whatever the customer wanted. Now I am kicking myself for not meeting up with him, a tleast I'd have the boas....But somehow I he knew we wouldn't meet and I think if we agreed something would come up and that would not fly. I have been contacting him daily about meeting up so we can get this deal done with and no response!
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:30:35 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
Shipping doesn't look good anytime soon with this weather. Do you want to meet halfway this weekend and drop these off to you?
Brock
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Our reply...
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:22:01 +0000
Hello Brock, Unfortunately I am unable to meet up. With my job and time with my family, I have no time. I guess we have to wait for a suitable time for shipping. I am sure FedEx ships fine just as long as it is above 20F.... I just had a few boas shipped from other Breeders. Please keep your ears open for the next soonest available day to ship. I think the best method is to ship to my nearest FedEx office so there is less travel time in the trucks and I can pick it up there.
Thanks and please keep me updated.
Ken
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Yet another email to him informing him of the weather conditions and Fedex's and Delta's shipping temperature policy.
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:51:12 +0000
Hello Brock, just seeing if there is any updates? I think it is safe to ship just as long as the weather is above 20F... I've been having several shipments coming to me from FedEx and Delta lately and everything is fine. Just as long as it's delivered before 10:30am...or anytime with Delta. Please get back to me as I would really appreciate finishing up this deal.
Thanks, Ken
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Now this response gave us hope and belief that the deal was gonna finally be good. However we opted to wait instead of waiving the live guarantee, because just in case...from his previous actions would you blame us?? and it's was strange how nice he seemed on this email? I think this is the first one he's been decently nice since we made the deal? I for sure wanted to make sure the boas were 100% healthy and did not want any excuses.
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:56:01 -0500
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Hey Ken,
I'm trying but I can't guarantee them below 40 degrees and as far as I know most breeders I know do the same. I do a nice packing job with 40 hour heat packs and they should be fine but I just don't have any thing to replace them with if there is a problem due to the weather. I'm nervous to ship this much in snakes fed ex that's why I would rather drop them off but you're against that for some reason. I'll try to get them out next week if the weather goes up unless you want to waive the live delivery guarantee. Don't forget they have to go to the shipping hub halfway across the country and back just to go back 5 hours north of me and nights are still in the teens in both. I've never seen anybody guaranteeing live delivery in 20 degree weather.
Let me know if it's still too cold and you want to waive the live delivery guarantee below 40 degrees I will ship Monday.
Brock
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So our reply and making sure the there is no excuses... Also trying once again to get the boas shipped to Big Mike. It's funny how after shelling such a large sum of money out, this guy still acts like it's his boas and will only do or ship when and how he wants!! I think the buyer should have some if not ALL entitlement to when and where the boas should be shipped? Obviously it has to be a safe method and place with the snakes health at the top priority! And I think I can definitely be safe saying to Basically boas is an ideal place!
From: *********@hotmail.com
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: deposit
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:14:25 +0000
Hello Brock...I think it was for the better that we waited. I see that all week next week is fair weather and above 40F...So let's plan on shipping next week. You sure you cannot ship both boas to Big Mike?...I would rather you do that...let me know, considering they are paid off, can I not request them to be shipped to Mike? Mike is a very respected breeder and he won't screw around. Basically boas are top notch and I don't think I need to tell you that.....Let me know because they are gonna have to get shipped to him anyways, and for the sake of the snake's health. I'd like to request them be shipped to Mike.
Thanks, Ken
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Another Email about shipping....
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: deposit
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I'll be back in town Tuesday and will try to get them out Wed. What's your ddress.
Brock
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Now I wished Ken got this email earlier, but really if the boas were gonna be shipped...say if Ken got back to Brock earlier...Then since then and now, he has had plenty of time to ship...but we still have NO BOAS!!
RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Wed 4/02/08 7:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Hello Brock, I am away on business right now, However I do want the boas to be shipped and finish the deal. I've been checking the forecast and it looks like all this week the temps are above 40F...And Thursday is above 50F, So shipping Weds for Thursday delivery would be awesome. The thing is I am away and I really want to finish the deal and get the boas Shipped.... So I can send someone to pick the boas up if you send it Delta or FedEx's hub that we regularly get shipments shipped to. Also I think if temps are above 30F FedEx ships no problems....I've just had several breeders shipped to us the past week with no problems. Also they know us there pretty well, So the boas will be safe.
Here's the info for shipping:
****** ****
Federal Express
*** ******
**********, NY *****
She can pick it up and set the boas up at the facility.
Also here is her number if you need to reach her for any reason
**********
Thank you Brock and please get back to me with all shipping info, so we can make arrangements....She is off work all day Thursday, So I'd like to request that day for delivery.
Ken
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His response, Ken got the email late since he was away...so shipping could not get done....Well Brock got the email late too! So shipping could have gotten done if one of them got to their emails earlier...However he could have arrange for another shipment...but we have no boas...so no such arrangements!
Re: deposit?
From: [email protected]
Sent: Thu 4/03/08 7:07 AM
To: *********@hotmail.com
Ken,
I didn't get in till late on Tues and didn't read this till wed after work so the Boas didn't go out. I'll have to send them out next week cause I don't ship on Thurs. incase they get lost. You have to get back to me sooner then the same day you want them shipped, I don't get a chance to check my e-mail everyday.
Brock
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More emails to him to try to get shipping out or meet if have to!
RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com)
Sent: Tue 4/08/08 7:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Hello Brock, Let's plan this shipping out. Any day is fine, We can pick them up...you pick and arrange it and get back to me.
Thanks, Ken
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Some more attempts to contact him...
RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Thu 4/17/08 1:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Hello Brock, we have tried to call and paged you. We would like to finish this deal man...This is more reason I would like to finish this off. The $12500 is including shipping, but if you want to meet...then that is fine. Anything to finish this deal....So reply to me asap.
Ken
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RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri 4/18/08 8:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Brock what is going one? I personally feel this is getting rediculous and the boas should have been shipped already. I really don't want to take this to the BOI, but considering you have the funds of $12.5 for how long now?? I'm being forced to take matters further. Please contact me so it does not have to be taken there.
Ken
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RE: deposit?
From: *********@hotmail.com
Sent: Sat 4/19/08 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Brock, please contact me!
Ken
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Now please someone tell me what's you would do in my situation??? I definitely know if Brock was in Canada. He's definitely would not being doing this. TRUST ME he'd know better!!
What I BELIEVE and some other people I've talked to believe is that he bred the Sharp sunglow with the Anery female and waiting to produce Sharp Snows before he ships to me...which isn't right at all!!
I also had thought that he might be ion some type of trouble, Jail? or hurt in the hospital...or possibly away on vacation! That is another reason why I did not want to post his name on my last thread. Just to STILL, I don't know why?? give him the benefit of the doubt. However Ken and my girlfriend called his house today and talked to his mother again. Ken even asked if Brock was okay or away...is he having some problems. She told him that he is fine...but is concerned about this situation. They left a message again with her...and again no calls or emails from Brock!
Now please give me your honest advice or input on this. What would you do if you were in this exact situation??
I know some might be friends of Brock...but I have put up the evidence, so if you are his friend. Please do your friend a favor and contact him... this is and will be getting more SERIOUS, the longer it goes on.
And if ANY breeder or even anyone out there reading this, have heard Brock or any of his peers talk about any upcoming litters from a Sharp Sunglow....or Anery Het sunglow. Please do the right thing and contact me...If you are his friend and don't want to post any info you have...just contact me. And if you want me to keep it private or somehow let this situation end. I will, just as long as I get my boas! I have no desires to talk or write a novel about somebody...I have way too many things to do. But I was forced to do this...ALL I WANT IS MY BOAS!!
Thank you in advance for comments and advices.
KaHane Limsana
If you only knew... I have family, friends and associates ties in America
... However I think I have shown that I can be very reasonable. So let's finish this deal.
