Stolen Gila, Mike Winzer of Angels R Us

[sultan]

and one last thing there is always two sides to every story and then ther is the one in the middle and hopefully people are not that nieve to think steve has the only story and it is the truth..

 

[sultan]

and as far as my store goes yes it is dirty sometimes .. i have 1000 plus animals to take care of in the breeding facallity and there are only so many hours in a day.l.. i also have my stor in a 130 year old wharehouse with 15 foot high seelings and alot of cob webs that i clean as much as i can .. but as far as the animals any one can come in my store anytime and try to point out a sick animal on my wall that is "for sale". im always there . so come in and take the challange... i just happen to know 2 people that used to rent or we going to rent to steve and the one kicked him out for having a messy store and the other herd alot of bad stuff about his store and didnt rent to him... i dont want to mention any name but one was outside saylorsburg pa .. and im not going to make myself out to be something im not ... i do have a sick bearded dragon on occasion and i do try my best to correct the sutuation .. but some people just cant be happy even if you gave them the world

 

[HerpVenue]

you seem to want to bash me in the fauna classifieds. that is amazing that i dont even know who the hell you are.i you have a problem with something i did then call me at my store and tell me about it.be a man. thanks Mike angels r us

1. this is a three year old thread that I made a comment on. And out of all the people here. You decide to PM only me? Or did you PM everyone.
2. I do not have to call you. Everything I said is right here. And it was my OPINION and it is based on what was posted and based on YOUR lack of response.

but i could put up many refrences if i wanted to... like vets and drs and celebritys. and many other very big people in this business who i hang out with and who are very good friends with me.... thanks Mike angels r us tore # 610 821 8388

oh you hang out with celebrities vets and doctors. you are cool
I do not need to hang out with them to be cool. I do not need to tell anyone that I hang out with vets doctors and celebrities just to try and get their respect. Besides.... why would I want to hang out with celebrities? Specially the ones from allentown PA. Do you really honestly want to make me believe you have celebrites there?



PS make sure Toys R us does not find out your name. they will sue you in a heart beat.

PPS I had every intention of posting more. But I can't make sense out of anything you posted.

PPPS No one said you stole the animal and no one said you had anything to do with stealing the animal. Learn to READ !1 I would tell you to learn to spell and learn some grammar. but then I would just be a big hypocrite.

 

[kmurphy]

So Sultan, did you accept the stolen gila or not. Anyone that told you not to respond to a charge of accepting stolen property is an idiot. IMO there is no redemption for someone that would do that to another in the business.

 

[Junkyard]

Mike, good job!

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Well, he did ask Richie to direct questions to him. Sometimes you get just what you ask for.

 

[sultan]

as far as hanging out with celebritys i never said that i said they were some coustomers of mine... and ther are not from allentow they are from la and ny.... as far as gramer i just type and that is what i post...i do not have time like most of these people to be on the dam internet for 4 hours a night i have a life...i see richie has 100's of posts all about different things.. and yes youare entitled to your opinion . they are like ass holes everyone has them and most of them stink...im not posting anything about the gila ..i could care less about that thing.. i am sorry he had it stolden and i actually wish he would of gotten it back to end all of this years ago. and if i would of red everything else he said about me i might think some of the same things you guys did.. but thanks god i realize that not everything someone says about someone else is the truty which is why you will never see my post on any forum.. you can never win on one of these things... one of the top reptile vets "in the country" dr scott sthal out of virgina who is a friend of mine told me he used to post on many forums and people used to tell him he didnt know anything about reptiles... amazing since he writs articles and books for college students on medical stuff... funny how it works.. i just dont like people saying stuff about me that have never met or talked to me.. that is the end of this i have said my mind ,and people cant take away from that what ever they want... just dont judge without the facts....rember im only a phone call away.

 

[sultan]

steve does not have a store any more and i know for a fact he had alot of his stuff stolen when he was just in jail.. he does post on internet ... that is good for him... i dont post on internet i dont have to as of yet. mabe in the future.. steve has seen me many times 5 fet from him and has never brought it up to me after the inital posting on the internet..isent that a little wierd.. he said he wanted to put my face through a aquarium in my store.. he should of tried..alot of people talk alot of crap that is just the way it is.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Mike,

When I originally posted this thread I done so in a truthful way.
You had every chance and opportunity to speak about this and you avoided the situation because you know everything I said was truthful.

You come here almost 4 years later to try and bash me, for what reason? I let this go years ago and pretty much forgot about it, your amazing dude. This is the wrong way to try and promote yourself and your business Angels R Us! You’re stating in your own words that you never ripped people off intentionally. Then you go on saying that your store is sometimes dirty with occasionally a few deaths and having some sick animals. Then you rant about not being able to please and make people happy even if you gave them the world. Mike it sounds to me you have some problems and I don’t have to say anything bad about you when you yourself and your past customers say it all!!!

This is by no means a good way to shine your nickel and to make yourself out as being some kind of big breeder. You never were and you never will be period. Give us a break in your worldwide dealings with doctors, celebrities, vets and did you forgot one, your friend Brittany Amey AKA Brizzy

I have personally been to both of your stores and locations. I have to say i like serpents den 100% better as you seem to keep a better out look and up keep on your herps. I have also have had better experiences going to serpents den, the gentelman has always been very very knowledgeable and doesn't seem to be hiding anything....if you get what i mean. Mike from angels r us has been sneaky like he had something to hide everytime i have ever spoke with him and hasn't really ever given good info when asked about a herp in his store. Just my opinion tho!

And again on January 30th 2008

WOW i am confused how i responded to a thread that i didn't even know about and i was just informed about last week but the guy who it;s about! Which is a great person!

No i don't respond here ever, and that is why i am really confused! I only ever look at the classifieds here and that must be only like once a year haha. I would like to know how someone else responded to a thread under my name?

I know Mike Winzer and he is a great guy and i get ALL my feeders from him! This is just hilarious to read this mess, but i am still upset about the responses someone left under my name!

If you read i said i don't understand how the first got there I didn't post it, i have already spoken with admin on here as well, and we have taken care of it. I changed my passwords and i am going to register again so that if somone had it they can't try and do it again.

Noted by nora

57 posts later........

You know I thought about giving you a friendly call about a month ago just to inform you about my ex-employee Dave Jany who mentioned to my girlfriend that he was working for you. He worked for me before he got heavily involved and addicted to pills, narcotics and alcohol. He mentioned to my girlfriend that someone without mentioning names was paying him to steal animals from vendors at reptile shows. He later stole several of my Ball Pythons and a Hogg Island Boa, all but 3 were recovered at his residence.

Getting back to the Gila you say you heard the Gila was never really mine to begin with and that a dentist owned it. The Gila was most certainly mine as I purchased it from Tim Reichard and I had paperwork from him. And it makes no difference if someone else owned it because receiving stolen property is receiving stolen property however you want to slice it.

As far as the police go I can’t force them to do their jobs. Basically they took a police report and filed it away without doing Jack. I also had one prior theft and again nothing was done. After a run around with police who can care less about a stolen reptile and talking to some vendors who asked me to let this go on your behalf I dropped it and moved on because I knew I would only get aggravated and get no restitution. Yea I see Hamburg and I ignore you talking to you is not going to get me any restitution, nothing weird about that I’m sure I’m not the first person to ignore you.

Read the whole thread and you will notice I dropped it long ago and stopped replying to this thread!

Every now and again someone might ask me at the Hamburg Show about this and I basically blow it off because there is no more to say than what I already said here and don’t care to drag this out any longer.

You can talk crap about my store being messy but the fact is you never been in my store to know first hand. You can read some of the threads here on fauna from people who have had the opportunity to get a behind the scenes look at my collection and hear what said.

As far as my personal and business life goes I’m going through some financially hard times and yes many of my animals were you can say stolen which my landlords were involved and yes I did spend 65 days in jail for owing past child support but none of that has to do with the thread.

 

[HerpVenue]

. also ask yourself this why in the hell would i call him to ask him about the animal if i had any clue it was his if i had something to do with the stealing of the animal...

He never said you had something to do with the stealing.
He informed you when you called, that the animal could have been his.
That is when you decided to be LESS than a man and get rid of it instead of doing the right thing.

the proble is with these forums alot of people can ost stuff without even knowing any of the parties...

the problem with these forums is some people can post stuff about you...... then you reply..... and you have no clue what you are replying to.

He never said you stole the animal.
He never said you had anything to do with it.
he never said you knew it before you called him.

All he said was, once he informed you that you possibly just received a STOLEN animal.... you did NOT do the right thing. You got rid of it quickly and got what you wanted for it..

All he said was yo did NOT do the right thing.

And from what I can try to understand from your posts..... you did not deny it.
You only denied stealing the animal. You also denied having anything to do with the theft. Which was not the issue. The issue was you did not do the right thing. And that part you did NOT deny.

I tried to use little words. If you still can't understand.... have your celebrity firends translate it for you. And meth head Bubba from the backwoods is not someone I would consider a celebrity.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Uh, I'm pretty sure Mike is the one that started this round.

And BTW, you are obligated to post your FULL name if you want your posts in the BOI to remain.

 

[Gecko_Den]

Post my name for what?

Because it's the rules on the BOI.

FULL NAMES are required on each posting you make on the BOI. Anyone failing to adhere to this simple rule has subjected their message to possibly being deleted. Anyone using a false name may be subjecting ALL of their messages to possibly being deleted as well has having their account removed from this site upon discovery.

I am going out on a limb and expect a lot of flak from people by providing this forum, so if you are not willing to stand up, state your claim, and put your name on it, then I'm not interested in providing you the space to make anonymous accusations. Such messages will be deleted as deemed appropriate in the individual circumstances surrounding the message.

YOU have to take responsibility and ownership of the words you post here. So take great care in how you craft your statements. Once you submit your message, it will be here PERMANENTLY, no matter what happens afterwards.

 

[HerpVenue]

Post my name for what?It's not my animal that was stolen,I just feel that this thing is getting old and if Steve did'nt want the feed back he should've never posted this on a worldwide net/He should watch the ppl he have around his house.I would'nt even put expensive sh** in my home where my family lays their head and then make it open to strngers to know and see what I have thats how ppl get robbed.

Stop hiring crack heads to take care of the things you value.

Wow dude. two different screen names and you both type just about the same way.
your screenname says new York and yet you just admited to being in allentown.
is anyone in allentown educated at all?
It is funny that you are degrading of "crackheads" but neither you nor your buddy can type better than one.
Then your friend brizzy replies to this thread and she does not know how she did it. And her replies are all conflicting with each other.
What is going on over there in PA?
What are you all smoking?

Let me school you on how it works
Posting your full name is the rules for this board. Whether it is your animal or not.
Steve did not want the feedback? Looks like it is you and your friend Mike who does not want the feedback.
It is interesting how you say you do not know steve but yet you know how and where he keeps his animals

Ritchie Luna or whatever your name is,you really need to lay off the Ban wagon do you even know Steve or Mike?

Lay off the badwagon? I Posted a comment or two. On a VERY old thread. I made a comment on the actions or inactions of Mike. That is all I did.

You say Steve should have handled this Man to Man?
Well what do you think he tried to do when he told Mike about it on the phone?

Mike should have done the right things and helped investigate who the animal belonged to. It was Mike who did not do the right thing.

And it was you people from PA who revived this old dying thread.
It was you people from PA who made sure that this thread was fresh in our minds. this thread was dead. then the crackheads (all three of them) brought it back

Who are you really? You type like mike.

LOL he calls you all cowards because you post on the internet. Funny but he posts on the internet too.

Someone from PA smoking too much dng

 

[HerpVenue]

I tried to use little words. If you still can't understand.... have your celebrity firends translate it for you. And meth head Bubba from the backwoods is not someone I would consider a celebrity.

I knew I posted the above somewhere.

But i guess he still got his celebrity friend bubba to interpet for him.

 

[MouhotiiFan]

I too was a little confused on the original thread date......

Man to man? Ok partner, you, me high noon, behind the dumpster. Bring the glass, I got the rock. Nothing sweeter than good ole ether.

Cowards for reporting a theft of a 1k+ venomous species?

It can't be crack, it's gotta be PCP.

 

[BryonsBoas]

WTF is a " dint " or a " Trina " ?

 

[Bill Stonegate]

He never said you had something to do with the stealing.
He informed you when you called, that the animal could have been his.
That is when you decided to be LESS than a man and get rid of it instead of doing the right thing.


the problem with these forums is some people can post stuff about you...... then you reply..... and you have no clue what you are replying to.

He never said you stole the animal.
He never said you had anything to do with it.
he never said you knew it before you called him.

All he said was, once he informed you that you possibly just received a STOLEN animal.... you did NOT do the right thing. You got rid of it quickly and got what you wanted for it..

All he said was yo did NOT do the right thing.

And from what I can try to understand from your posts..... you did not deny it.
You only denied stealing the animal. You also denied having anything to do with the theft. Which was not the issue. The issue was you did not do the right thing. And that part you did NOT deny.

I tried to use little words. If you still can't understand.... have your celebrity firends translate it for you. And meth head Bubba from the backwoods is not someone I would consider a celebrity.

 

[sultan]

as far as david jany i fired him when i herd about was going on and he told me alot of people other than him had stolen animals while you were in jail... i know he has problem and hopefully can overcome them he only worked for me part time..as far as saying i am not a big breeder.. that is funny seeing how my breeding facality is about 3000 sq feet filled to the limit. i breed thousands of animals a year so call it what you want... and anybod on here that breeds that says they have never had a sick animal is a liar...or a death.. and the gila was from tim but wasent owened by him to start with... it was owned by the dentist who told me this himself...who is someone i do business with and sell animals for...and as far as britany goes she was just a coustomer nthat came in and gave me achance even with reeding all the posts and now she is a great coustomer ninc her boyfriend... so say what you want.. i talk to alot of people at the shows that y;u deal with and alot of people dont like you much... tha is fine im sure some people dont llike me ither.. and that is ok also.. cant please all people all the time. i only posted to any of this nonsense now cause because i wanted to actually clear my name about my charactor.. nothing to do about your animal that could of or could not of been yours... i had nothing against you before any of this happened and actually even sent people to your store for some venemous stuff.. but i would never post such things as youdid.. i have been ripped off for 9000 and didnt even post about it these forums are a joke you can say anything you want about someone and they may never even know it... not many big breeders go on forums any more cause of this... they just post on there own websites...i just wanted to get my 2 cents in and i did .. soo now we can all relax..... thanks mike

 

[Cat_72]

WTF is a " dint " or a " Trina " ?

I'm thinking Trina is somehow related to Ben L.

 

[sultan]

wow richie you must be the smartest man on earth you can spell.... wow... what do you do for a living... you must be a sientist with that brain.. no the reason people are plsting now is cause i told them it was ok ... as far as bubba .. mabe you know him... i dont know. saying people from allentown are stupid is funny because there are alot of very big companies here and alot of rich people . where are you from... as far as steve goes im done talking about it ..steve is steve and i am not him.. everybody is different and that is ok... we all do things different.. i wish him the best and that is that. i just wished this all would of not been like this from along time ago.. but humans can take only so much stuff being said about them... but richie next time you are at a show come and say high to me you might actually like me.. you never know... rember everything you here is not always the truth...that is all byby....