CheriS
No furry helpless bunny
But I, myself, with my scientific background, would not take one negative fecal as "proof" of an uninfected colony by any breeder.
I would not either, especially when you factor in the incubation period. Some are running the tests knowing the way they do it is not accurate, as the labs do not have the equipment too. It is shooting in the dark without preserving the fecals, and delays at labs in testing till the samples degrades. They MIGHT show positive if positive, but chances are good they will not, so they get negative readings, but what about positive tests? Those ARE accurate.
Jamie and JIm
Would you take positive tests and knowing you have MANY prime age adult breeders die recently, and then realize you have a current problem? OR would you rush to sell them to the public/send them out to other breeders to pay off debts and claim its okay, all the time telling others that know you are positive that:
"We are not selling at this time.
we either send people to other Breeders telling them we don't have what they want, give them prices above what we post, and basically are just stalling
We are not selling any dragons even though we are posting. We are stalling; directing people to other breeders; quoting prices above what Dragons are listed for etc. until we have finished the process, and done what is necessary to correct what needs to be addressed.
That is what Bruce told me Oct 1, 2006 -Oct 21, 2006, the whole time he was sending them out, people on here have posted they got them in that time frame, now he admits he was selling them also, still is (remember he is bragging in this tread that he is selling more than ever) and admits they were positive.
How many positive infected dragons, appearing healthy, are you willing to bring into your collection from him? And you have the advantage of having read this..... so you KNOW up front, many never get that chance.
That is the issue in this thread, This only addresses a collection that it is known to have positive tests, are selling those to others and claiming he needs the money to pay suppliers and his mortgage. Not what he did 2 months okay, or the quality, size, stud ability or anything else of the past...... now, since he had problems, die offs and knows he has positive animals. That it! nothing more and nothing less
It is just plain wrong, and several other choice words that have been used on this thread and anyone that supports that action is wrong IMO. At least tell people you are selling them infected animals so they can TRY and protect their existing dragons and have the choice to expose them. A breeder did this same thing in 2002 and that is where Bruce, Wendy, Suzanne, Andy and many breeders that are reading this and not posting on here got it from
Are you ignoring what Dr Jacobson , Dr Wentz and the person running the tests say, all who have worked with this virus? They do not have all the answers, they do have some and they certainly have advice based on decades of experience based on bearded dragon and virus. It would seem so from some of your above statements and one of them was concerned enough about what was being said in mailings and online....claims that him and his staff said, he wrote a letter with all their consent to the community to clear it up. Have you read that too?
I would not either, especially when you factor in the incubation period. Some are running the tests knowing the way they do it is not accurate, as the labs do not have the equipment too. It is shooting in the dark without preserving the fecals, and delays at labs in testing till the samples degrades. They MIGHT show positive if positive, but chances are good they will not, so they get negative readings, but what about positive tests? Those ARE accurate.
Jamie and JIm
Would you take positive tests and knowing you have MANY prime age adult breeders die recently, and then realize you have a current problem? OR would you rush to sell them to the public/send them out to other breeders to pay off debts and claim its okay, all the time telling others that know you are positive that:
"We are not selling at this time.
we either send people to other Breeders telling them we don't have what they want, give them prices above what we post, and basically are just stalling
We are not selling any dragons even though we are posting. We are stalling; directing people to other breeders; quoting prices above what Dragons are listed for etc. until we have finished the process, and done what is necessary to correct what needs to be addressed.
That is what Bruce told me Oct 1, 2006 -Oct 21, 2006, the whole time he was sending them out, people on here have posted they got them in that time frame, now he admits he was selling them also, still is (remember he is bragging in this tread that he is selling more than ever) and admits they were positive.
How many positive infected dragons, appearing healthy, are you willing to bring into your collection from him? And you have the advantage of having read this..... so you KNOW up front, many never get that chance.
That is the issue in this thread, This only addresses a collection that it is known to have positive tests, are selling those to others and claiming he needs the money to pay suppliers and his mortgage. Not what he did 2 months okay, or the quality, size, stud ability or anything else of the past...... now, since he had problems, die offs and knows he has positive animals. That it! nothing more and nothing less
It is just plain wrong, and several other choice words that have been used on this thread and anyone that supports that action is wrong IMO. At least tell people you are selling them infected animals so they can TRY and protect their existing dragons and have the choice to expose them. A breeder did this same thing in 2002 and that is where Bruce, Wendy, Suzanne, Andy and many breeders that are reading this and not posting on here got it from
Are you ignoring what Dr Jacobson , Dr Wentz and the person running the tests say, all who have worked with this virus? They do not have all the answers, they do have some and they certainly have advice based on decades of experience based on bearded dragon and virus. It would seem so from some of your above statements and one of them was concerned enough about what was being said in mailings and online....claims that him and his staff said, he wrote a letter with all their consent to the community to clear it up. Have you read that too?
