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Super hypo for $1200

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Hey all, I just today got this dominant hypo. Jeff Gee line orange tail. I paid $1200. The guy said it was a good deal. I just want to make sure I've been given a fair shake. Here are some pictures of him. What do you think??

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thanks for your time...
 
I know Jeff from a purchase and talking to him personally at a show. That is a boa he would be proud of. Good job picking that one out.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm glad you like him. His temperment is awesome. Even as a little guy he's all mellow. I think he might be a hippie. :)

I'm not really up on the market values of nice looking supers, and one guy said $1200 was a little high, so I wanted to double check some other folks' opinions. So do you all think I got my money's worth?
 
the price really isn't far off. people are selling possible supers (heck, even just really nice hypos) for about $700. Did you get any kind of paperwork or genetics guarantee?
 
Hey...thanks again for the replies. He came with a signed receipt that says guaranteed to be dominant hypo. He was cherry picked by and purchased from Ed Lilley (Constrictors NW) who I hear is a good guy. Also, he was purchased through paypal with a note in the payment stating the payment was for a guaranteed to be super hypo male boa. So I'm pretty sure I'm good on that end. Just didn't want to be paying way above market value. A hundred or so here or there...no big deal...but more than that would bother me. But if I did, it's actually probably my own fault for not researching it further. Any other opinions appreciated... Thanks!

- Damian
 
I am curious as to how anyone can guarantee him to be a super at that age. Beautiful animal but there is no way someone can be 100 percent certain he's a super until you prove him out. He should have been sold as probable/possible super.

Griz
 
I do see your point. He does have the traits of a dominant hypo though. So I'm going to trust that it is. I see possible and probable super salmons and most have way more black in their tails.

He was originally asking $1350 and his hogg and silverback prices seemed to me quite fair, so I figured this guy was at a fair price too. I'd like to believe that I didn't get ripped off laughin, so it's a subjective statement.

Knowing that he's more than likely dominant should pay itself off 10 fold... But, that's assuming I breed him and he has viable babies. Still don't like paying more than he's worth which is why I asked. Sounds like some think I overpaid a little bit. Others think he's great and worth the price. Anyone else? I appreciate everyone's opinion... Hope to find him a mate to grow up with.

- Damian
 
dutchoven said:
I am curious as to how anyone can guarantee him to be a super at that age. Beautiful animal but there is no way someone can be 100 percent certain he's a super until you prove him out. He should have been sold as probable/possible super.

Griz
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That's exactly the reason that I asked about the genetics guarantee. Unless it is the product of a super x super breeding, there is no way to be sure until proven by breeding
 
Also, wanted to say that Ed from ConstrictorsNW is a great guy to work with and I don't think he's misleading me on his believing it's a super. I honestly think I'd trust that this is a super based on its traits more than I would a het albino or some such where there's no visual proof whatsoever... Anyways.. Just my 2 cents on the whole whether it's a super or not thing... Thanks again for everyone's input
 
OrganicBoas said:
I honestly think I'd trust that this is a super based on its traits more than I would a het albino or some such where there's no visual proof whatsoever...
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Nothing against Ed at all...but you just made our point. you cannot distinguish a super from hypo based on physical appearance. Sure, you've got a gorgeous snake - but I have seen supers that were nowhere near as attractive, and hypos that were every bit as much so. Regardless of the genetics, at this point, you've got a beautiful snake & you are happy with her...nobody is trying to rain on your parade. Enjoy her, and show us pics as she grows
 
Ed, please don't take the post as questioning you. You have a very strong reputation. We are simply questioning one's ability to guarantee a hypo being a super when the supposed tell tale signs are very prone to error. Ihle has even come out on many posts and made it clear that he has regular hypo's that demonstrate the same markers as some of his supers and vice versa. There is simply no way to promise that an animal is a super unless he has been proven out.

The way that I understand this situation is that you are simply giving your opinion of the animal and should your opinion prove out wrong then you simply make good on the guarantee. Nothing wrong with that at all. The only downside that could come of it is that the owner could be out a couple of years on the animal but that is the risk you take when purchasing a possible hypo. Regardless, that is a beautiful animal and one that I would be proud to own.

Griz
 
I just looked at the pics again. A few of the markers of a possible super are:

1) Reduced or no Moustache
2) No black on the borders of the patterns between the vent and tail

The pics are not quite what I would need in order to answer those two questions. But, to quote Rich Ihle, one of the experts on hypo's:

"The reason we use the terms "possible" and "probable" is because we would rather error on the side of caution. We have a few Salmons for sale right now that we feel absolutely confident that they are Supers, but until we formerly prove out one of the parents, we will not guarantee it. "

Only time will tell but as I stated above, that is a beautiful animal!!!

Griz
 
I understand that, Thats where the guarentee comes into play. Just like a jungle, or sunset boa your guarentee is what makes it one untill it's proven, it's a judgment call by the seller. My guarantee is a morph of equal or greater value, by that I mean current value at the time (If I were to be proven wrong) So if he's an adult his value is going to be more It's right here in print. Backed by Kevin Tharasher ( the original owner) and myself. I don't do folks wrong on any deal and wouldn't sell him as such unless I were 100% positive. I only made a $100 commission on selling this guy if Damian is not happy with him please call me I will take him back and give you a refund.

Just the price grading alone done by Rich will pretty much tell you what he thinks is what. I don't speak for him in any way but thats just my perspective. There are some supers that show up in litters with some black tail rings but this is not one of them. He is extremly washed out with fading and blushing tail saddles, and very little black on him, these are just a few of the things that I graded him by. I would put him in the KK range if you compare apples to apples.

I don't mean to sound defencive here, ( I'm not taking it as an attack) but my mind is running at about 100 mph right now not from the post, (some additional opinions never hurts), but I have a litter of boas dropping.. There will be some pics up later. I'll check back in on this thread in a bit..
 
Ed Lilley said:
Hey Guys, he is guarenteed dominant, meaning I stand behind him, if he were not to prove to be super a morph of equal or greater value is promised..
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Ed,
I just wanted to second that we weren't trying to cast doubt on you (didn't even know it was you at first). Once he stated that you had guaranteed it, that was good enough for me...the rest was just related to differentiation by appearance.
Better slow your mind down just a bit, or you'll end up with pics of your thumb
 
Very strange morning... Here is what I have been dealing with.. I bred a arabesque male that was poss het albino and stripe to a 100% DH stripe albino female. This females last litter was in 03 I got mostly slugs... 3 still born albinos 2 striped albinos, 2 stripers and a poss het, No arabesques... The last sperm that was in her was in late 02 and she dropped babies in early 03.. We are at the beginning of 06 here...LOL... So who's babies are these?
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Wait, wait hold the phone... After closer examination, I think I have a few triple trait boas here.. The striping screws up the arabesque pattern but both of my striped albinos have this pattern right up to the point they begin to get stripes..
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