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ok so I used to love boas and actually had quite a few of them along with breeding projects here and there about 7 yrs ago. Since then I have got out of boas and moved on to ball pythons. Recently I have decided to add 1 boa to my collection and I have always wanted a motely boa. I did a search on yahoo for motely boa pictures and saw a photo come up titled super motely which was a pure black boa. I completely fell in love with it. Does anybody have any information about super motely's at all???? Are they hard to come by, how much do they cost, when bred to a normal does it create all motely's, any available? Since I have been out of boas for so long I have really no clue about there genetics or anything.

I have attached a couple pics of the super motely that came up on my web search.

They are so gorgeous :)
 

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The super motleys have super weak genes supposably. I have never bred motley to motley as the rumor is the largest super motley was like four feet then died. They usually dong get that big I don't think as the genes usually aren't outbred enough. But yes. Since it's a super form whatever you breed it to it will produce all motleys. Like a super mot male to albino female would make all mots het albino
 
From what I have read, and been told, the super motley simply doesn't survive long term. I'm not sure if any (males) have ever made it to breeding size.
I don't think it is an outbreeding issue, as motley is a codominant trait. Sure, the initial ones were undoubtedly inbred in order to "prove" the morph and its inheritability; but there's just not a reason for people to have kept doing it since motleys will produce motleys when bred to any normal (albino, hypo, or whatever). Most people have simply stopped doing motley to motley pairings, because the supermots are doomed. (I did have one breeder tell me that the Central American motleys produced a super that was more stable and had better survivability...but I never bothered pursuing the topic because I didn't get into CA motleys (that whole discussion took place because I'd inquired about a CA mot he had for sale, and I don't automatically accept things like that as fact when there's money at the core)


Learning the above, along with discovering that the hypo and motley traits are carried on the same locus kind of changed my plans for this girl. I'd still love to see a sunglow mot with the reduced sides and heavy dorsal stripe, though.
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wow thank you for the information. I was looking to add a boa to my collection. Any personal preferences somebody might want to suggest? I dont know about boas or morphs lol
 
hhmoore said:
From what I have read, and been told, the super motley simply doesn't survive long term. I'm not sure if any (males) have ever made it to breeding size.
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Alex at Boa Republic has a breeding age super motley, a male... last I talked to him I think he's going to give it a try this season. It's a CA super motley. I saw a picture of it a few months back and it is in fact a large black super motley but I haven't seen it in person (yet! Alex is local to me).
:D
he has the baby pic of it on his website under news, about mid way down and there are newer pics under gallery and 'black boa'
http://boarepublic.com/news.html

This is rare, as Harrold stated, they typically have a very poor viability, I've also noticed quite a few seem to be badly developed, like poorly developed heads or short jaws. It's unknown if more outcrossing will help. There have been a few supers pop up in motley x *insert other morph or normal here* which are through to either be parthogenesis or something else wacky going on with the motley gene.
 
deobra2869 said:
wow thank you for the information. I was looking to add a boa to my collection. Any personal preferences somebody might want to suggest? I dont know about boas or morphs lol
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if you like the look of a super mot, i think the closest thing youll get is a leopard. pic below


db_Melanistische_Leopard_Boa1.jpg


photo by H.J. Winner
 
Utta said:
if you like the look of a super mot, i think the closest thing youll get is a leopard. pic below
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that's a great choice!

i'd been trying to think of what would be close but hadn't come up with anything... Utta to the rescue!
:hurray:
 
AbsoluteApril said:
that's a great choice!

i'd been trying to think of what would be close but hadn't come up with anything... Utta to the rescue!
:hurray:
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:bow01: youre my inspiration though apwiwl :D

i just love the leopard because its the closest to the super mot. with still a pattern.
 
That's quite a bit darker than most of the leopards I've seen...is it an anery leopard, by any chance?
 
Not from what I saw in the description (although, my german IS a little rusty) but it very well could be.

Heres another pic of a darker leopard from BlueMen Boas:
leopard.jpg
 
hhmoore said:
That one seems to be invisible...
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the first pic had "Melanistische" next to "Leopardboa" so it seems that its a melanistic.(went to the site instead of just the picture threw google to get the info) but the second one doesnt say anything other then "Leopard boa" :shrug01:
 
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http://www.hjwinner.com/html/availability/leopro500.jpg (this one is pretty light)

The rest of these are comparable to what I have seen
http://www.basicallyboas.com/images/leopard.jpg
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162864&stc=1&d=1280186018
http://www.boaconstrictorforsale.com/pictures/1-12-06leopard1.jpg

Yeah, I suck...I didn't hot link them
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*fixed* i personally like the darker ones vs. the lighter or more reddish ones, but it just goes to show what breeding will produce what.
 
hhmoore said:
http://www.hjwinner.com/html/availability/leopro500.jpg (this one is pretty light)

The rest of these are comparable to what I have seen
http://www.basicallyboas.com/images/leopard.jpg
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162864&stc=1&d=1280186018
http://www.boaconstrictorforsale.com/pictures/1-12-06leopard1.jpg

Yeah, I suck...I didn't hot link them
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Harold you dont suck LOL........ I like all of the leopards preferably the darker ones but even the lighter ones have nice pink tones and look very nice :)
 
I think if you were to search the forum on Super Motleys, you would find a thread or two. I know this topic has been discussed, and it's been discussed on other sites as well.

I don't know of any Super Motley that has had a successful breeding. The CA is a little more stable, but not that stable. It has nothing to do with inbreeding like some suggest. You can breed a motley to motley, produce normal Motleys in the same litter as Super Motleys, and the normal Motleys, and even the normal boas will live a long life. The Super Motleys on the other hand, will generally die before they reach maturity. At around 18 months, they go downhill, developing IBD like symptoms. I would suggest staying away from a Super Motley, and get a regular Motley. There are still some people out there breeding motley to motley, why I don't know. With all of the information out there, you would think people would know better by now. There are also some of the bigger names out there who are withholding information, for their own selfish reasons. Whatever you get, do not get a super motley.

If you see someone selling super motleys, tell them you want to see a pic of a ten pound super motley or bigger. To my knowledge, there might be a couple out there, but none have produced. And when I say a couple, I mean just that.
 
so I im going to compare the super motley gene to say a super woma (in ball pythons the pearl is it?) just being that basically super motley is a death gene like the pearl?
 
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