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T+ amel Bairds Rat Snakes

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Can anyone fill me in on this morph? Where the first one came from, who first bred them, etc? They look pure, but I'd like to trace them back before getting into them
 
Supposedly originated from Hwy. 277 stock bred in Europe. I first saw an image in the Elaphe Monograph that came out in '97.
 
I'm digging into this as well. My two cents however is that the T+ albino name is completely off. These snakes don't look like any form of albino. I just hatched my first clutch and they look less albino than my old line of normals. As adults however they look like the best lighter phased Bairds you can imagine.
 
I'm skeptical of anything new that comes from europe as it can be reverse engineered from another species. Without a dna test it too risky these days imo. Kind of like the scaless corns. Emory's may be extremely close but a hybrids a hybrid. People are reverse engineering albino angolans from balls and red tail people are skeptical of anything new even if it is coming from a country of origin.
 
Hypo Bairds

TONY D said:
I'm digging into this as well. My two cents however is that the T+ albino name is completely off. These snakes don't look like any form of albino. I just hatched my first clutch and they look less albino than my old line of normals. As adults however they look like the best lighter phased Bairds you can imagine.
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Hi Tony,

I have 1.1 coming next week from Ken Foose. They look interesting. I was unsuccessful finding some that looked like your old ones,though I did just get a couple hatchlings of some that's parents were nice silver without too much of the bright overwash that's common/popular now. I miss the ones I had years ago that looked like a silver version of a Yellow rat with strong black lines where you only saw the beautiful colors subtly peeking through when you handled them.

They look interesting and I missed the docile nature of my old Bairds. I only know from Google image searches but I see your point that they appear to look more hypo than a typical Amel. animal. Interesting none the less.
Bob
 
I have a cb2016 pair of animals from Boy Scout Road in Jeff Davis County. Animals from the north western canyons of the county are fairly distinct. Really looking forward to seeing these guys grow up.

As far as the hypos being a corrupt European lineage, I don't get it. There isn't another morph out there that is analogous. I would love to have specific lineage info and of course any generic may be suspect but there is nothing about these that says anything but bairds.
 
Feel free to post pics as they grow. I'm always suspicious of things but I think they look like plain old Bairds too.
This is an example of the more old school classic type Bairds I've been looking for. A google image pic, not mine
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