Bad Guy Terrance Yant - SCAMMER, of the dumber variety

[JayBoa1372]

It is not a problem at all my friend. I do not feel that people deserve to get scammed and if there's something I could ever do to prevent it, I most certainly will. I spoke with my mother this morning and she is going to spread the word to her friends in the Poughkeepsie PD to keep an eye out for him.

 

[SIGNATURE DESIGN EXOTICS]

WOW!! What a ?????? All I can say without getting in trouble. lol Glad you brought this up I vend at most of the N.Y shows so Ill keep my eyes open for him. Thanks!!

 

[KBenker]

For what it's worth, I just did a trade with Jason Teeg. I was a little leery after seeing this thread, but I tend to see the good in people and decided to take a chance. I sent my super giant/giant leopard geckos out and the snake shipped the same day. Only change in the whole deal is that Jason sent me 2 additional snakes. I was expecting to receive a male blue-eyed lucy (wanted a pretty snake for our public education program), but in the same box were also a yellow belly het ghost female and an unsexed pinstripe. All 3 were clean and healthy, 2 out of 3 already took their first meal since arriving.

 

[Robert Walker]

For what it's worth, I just did a trade with Jason Teeg. I was a little leery after seeing this thread, but I tend to see the good in people and decided to take a chance. I sent my super giant/giant leopard geckos out and the snake shipped the same day. Only change in the whole deal is that Jason sent me 2 additional snakes. I was expecting to receive a male blue-eyed lucy (wanted a pretty snake for our public education program), but in the same box were also a yellow belly het ghost female and an unsexed pinstripe. All 3 were clean and healthy, 2 out of 3 already took their first meal since arriving.

Karin, I'm sorry but this has to be one of the most irresponsible posts I've seen in a long time. You managed to read through almost 5 pages of some pretty well documented history on this person as a scammer and you were only "a little leery", really? Seeing the good in people, or seeing what you thought was too good of a deal to pass up? His name is Terrance Yant, not Jason Teeg. Why don't you share with us the address you shipped your geckos to, or the phone number you used to communicate with him. If you don't want to post it, please PM me directly. That would be great to know how "Jason" appeared out of thin air. Please explain why Terrance would magically ship you two extra snakes unexpectedly? Any hope on his part that you would come here and leave a post for his alias like you did?

 

[Robert Walker]

So to give readers a little behind the scenes background on this. Karin, approached me about a week ago privately about Jason Teeg being Terrance Yant.

Here is part of the PM conversation:

Me to her:
"Hi Karin, One more question, what leads you to believe this is Terrance Yant? What connection do you see? Thanks, Robert"

Her to Me:
"Here's the phone number he gave me: 845-505-1097. When he told me he was getting out of ball pythons and only continuing with leos, I did a search for his name/leopard geckos and ended up finding this web-site: http://www.jtyreptiles.com/ Then ended up finding a the same web-site in the BOI thread.I'm not into large snakes myself, keep some hognose. Just seemed odd that someone would want to trade a blue-eyed Lucy for some giant/super giant leos. I was only interested since we do a lot of public education events, would have been nice to have a "pretty" snake to capture people's interest."

Me to Her:
"Great job Karin! I did run his IP through and saw that it matched another banned account already. It is him again. Good job doing your homework!"

So that said, Karin found "Jason" matched Terrance Yant, BOI matched her findings and I confirmed it independent of her to make sure. So knowing that, you can imagine my total amazement to see her now posting that she STILL did the trade with him, really?? Earlier in the thread I talked about an "intended victim" that Terrance was trying to scam, that person was actually Karin. The same person that I wrongfully gave credit to for being smart in doing her homework.

Their original deal is posted in the thread in the screen shot of the email. Karin would ship to Terrance first, then after he got them, he would ship to her.

Terrance was banned again from Fauna under his fake alias. I updated this thread to warn others. I saw Karin view my updates on this thread, and even with all that she still did the trade. What compels people to throw away all logic and still do a trade??

Their trade deal obviously changed because she said that they shipped the same day versus his prior attempt to get her to ship first. He knew I updated this thread because I have been watching him view it. So to try and keep his alias alive even longer he sends even more snakes than he was supposed to. All in an effort to send an already gullible person racing off to this thread to sing his praises still calling him Jason. Better for him to lose once in this deal in order to strike a different day when the heat begins to simmer down.

Again, absolutely dumbfounded that Karin could throw all logic out the window because she was blinded by her getting the better deal, amazing!

 

[Fangthane]

What compels people to throw away all logic and still do a trade??

At best, an admixture of simple greed and an utter disinterest in taking a stand against those who've been shown to be of highly questionable character. At worst, a conscious choice to knowingly help a scammer build credibility, making it easier to scam the next sucker.

Whether it be greed, idiocy or duplicity, we certainly seem to be seeing a lot of it lately. Is it really that odd, that some of us truly believe in taking the bigger picture into consideration? Is integrity - despite being of absolutely no tangible benefit to ourselves - really such a rare, archaic concept? I look around at some of the people who consciously choose to support the moral dregs of the hobby, and I really can't do much more than shake my head in bewilderment. Being a relatively bright guy; I still just don't get it.

 

[lillyorchid]

Wow, who just sends off free snakes like that!? Sounds fishy over all. That throws up a red flag to me.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

For what it's worth,

Here is what it is worth.

Terrance joined this site and posted ads with pictures of animals that weren't his. He took them from other sites and other ads.

He rejoined under a alias and gave himself a bogus good guy thread for that false name. He lied to everyone reading this forum pretending to sell himself animals.

He cheated a member of this site by not sending the correct snake he advertised.

After being banned from this site he keeps rejoining under different names. Promoting himself under those names, Lying to his customers about who he is and violating the terms of this site.

Then he has the nerve to to state that the only reason why he was banned is because he is black.

You knowing all this ahead of time still made the decision to do business with him for whatever reason.

Thanks for supporting someone you know has ripped people off on this site and lied to the users here. Thanks for being a great community member.


As long as you get what you want, I guess it is all good.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I just did a trade with Jason Teeg.

And you know the website, phone number and email address belongs to Terrance, yet you still come on here and support his alias?

Thanks.

"Here's the phone number he gave me: 845-505-1097. When he told me he was getting out of ball pythons and only continuing with leos, I did a search for his name/leopard geckos and ended up finding this web-site: http://www.jtyreptiles.com/

 

[Robert Walker]

What is even more disgusting about this story is given Terrance's scamming, there is a high likelihood that either the babies Karin got or the founding parents Terrance has are the result of him scamming someone else.

If only I had more negative karma I could pass out.

 

[Robert Walker]

For what it's worth, I just did a trade with Jason Teeg. I was a little leery after seeing this thread, but I tend to see the good in people and decided to take a chance. I sent my super giant/giant leopard geckos out and the snake shipped the same day. Only change in the whole deal is that Jason sent me 2 additional snakes. I was expecting to receive a male blue-eyed lucy (wanted a pretty snake for our public education program), but in the same box were also a yellow belly het ghost female and an unsexed pinstripe. All 3 were clean and healthy, 2 out of 3 already took their first meal since arriving.

Since Karin decided to come on the BOI and publicly share things, I no longer feel obligated to keep PM's private between us. Here is what I received today from her. I will let you, the reader, decide what to make of it:

I don't want to reply public and probably shouldn't have posted at all yesterday.

"What it boils down to is partially curiosity, get behind the why? On the other hand, maybe I'm short-selling my leos, but they are nice and I paid a lot of money for the parents.

Figured at worst I might get a different morph snake, but was willing to see. I didn't find out about the 2 add-ons until I picked up the box at the FedEx hub. I had set up a quarantine area for one, was left scrambling to set up 2 more - I didn't want them anywhere near my hognose snakes. The one thing I always have on hand when unboxing is my camera and a scale, everything gets weighed, quick snap-shot, then off to settle in. I didn't get hatch dates on the snakes until late last night or at least 2 of them, still waiting on a hatch date for the smallest - the pinstripe. But after running those dates by an experienced friend (I have absolutely no ball python experience, but do know how they need to be setup), I'm sure worried about age on the little one. The largest of the 3, the yellowbelly was hatched 12/30/13 and weighed 151g at arrival. The lucy, hatched 6/16/14 is 102g. The pinstripe is 43g. Bodyshape is not rounded, but triangular. First assessment at arrival was no evidence of mites and no odd respiratory sounds, clean nostrils on all.

Needless to say, they're going to go on a twice a week feeding schedule like my hoggies for now. We'll see what happens when they actually poop for the first time. Once they're in the condition they should be for their age, the other 2 will eventually be re-homed. I'm in the process of donating a leo to my daughter's school. Might be a place for one of the snakes later on.

Genetics mean nothing to me, as I have no intention of breeding ball pythons.

Do I worry about my nice leos - yes and no. They're not going to be there long at all, if he didn't already have something lined up for them. Due to some new laws in Nevada, we no longer have reptile shows here and I'm just not able to travel out of state for shows. These leos are quite impressive in hand and will be snatched up at any reptile show quickly.

Karin"

Here is my response back to her:

"You posted on his behalf yesterday publicly.
You posted "All 3 were clean and healthy,".

Now you are saying you have almost year old snakes that weigh less than some snakes do at birth.

I honestly have no clue why you did this, but since you started on the BOI by supporting him, you should finish on the BOI too so others can see."

 

[KBenker]

You're right Robert, I did jump the gun on that, as the visual assessment of the 3 snakes was okay - my initial concern was potential mites or uri's.

I did not get hatch dates on 2 of them until late last night - had no idea how old they were when the arrived, just what their weights at arrival are. Like I stated, these are the first ball pythons in my home, but I was curious about those weights - as some of my yearling female hognose snakes have about the same weight or more as the 10 month old yellowbelly. Still waiting on a hatch date for the little one, not that it really matters at this point.

 

[hhmoore]

Just to give you an idea - that Dec hatch is smaller than the July hatch babies I sent out recently...and I wasn't pounding the food into them.

 

[parrotlady]

I am glad that Karin received the animal that she traded for. The hatch dates of the animals raises the question of husbandry, and if in fact he actually raised these animals. So many unanswered questions. Based on his business practices all of his actions will be suspect. He will never be able to totally remove the blemishes on his name by an occasionally providing and completing future contracts.

 

[Mistyck]

Since Karin decided to come on the BOI and publicly share things, I no longer feel obligated to keep PM's private between us. Here is what I received today from her. I will let you, the reader, decide what to make of it:

I don't want to reply public and probably shouldn't have posted at all yesterday.

"What it boils down to is partially curiosity, get behind the why? On the other hand, maybe I'm short-selling my leos, but they are nice and I paid a lot of money for the parents.

Figured at worst I might get a different morph snake, but was willing to see. I didn't find out about the 2 add-ons until I picked up the box at the FedEx hub. I had set up a quarantine area for one, was left scrambling to set up 2 more - I didn't want them anywhere near my hognose snakes. The one thing I always have on hand when unboxing is my camera and a scale, everything gets weighed, quick snap-shot, then off to settle in. I didn't get hatch dates on the snakes until late last night or at least 2 of them, still waiting on a hatch date for the smallest - the pinstripe. But after running those dates by an experienced friend (I have absolutely no ball python experience, but do know how they need to be setup), I'm sure worried about age on the little one. The largest of the 3, the yellowbelly was hatched 12/30/13 and weighed 151g at arrival. The lucy, hatched 6/16/14 is 102g. The pinstripe is 43g. Bodyshape is not rounded, but triangular. First assessment at arrival was no evidence of mites and no odd respiratory sounds, clean nostrils on all.

Needless to say, they're going to go on a twice a week feeding schedule like my hoggies for now. We'll see what happens when they actually poop for the first time. Once they're in the condition they should be for their age, the other 2 will eventually be re-homed. I'm in the process of donating a leo to my daughter's school. Might be a place for one of the snakes later on.

Genetics mean nothing to me, as I have no intention of breeding ball pythons.

Do I worry about my nice leos - yes and no. They're not going to be there long at all, if he didn't already have something lined up for them. Due to some new laws in Nevada, we no longer have reptile shows here and I'm just not able to travel out of state for shows. These leos are quite impressive in hand and will be snatched up at any reptile show quickly.

Karin"

Here is my response back to her:

"You posted on his behalf yesterday publicly.
You posted "All 3 were clean and healthy,".

Now you are saying you have almost year old snakes that weigh less than some snakes do at birth.

I honestly have no clue why you did this, but since you started on the BOI by supporting him, you should finish on the BOI too so others can see."

So to quell her curiosity she decided to risk the lives of her geckos? She sent them to someone who will do goodness knows what with them, and she's ok with it because she was curious to know what would happen... Really?! That's outrageous to me.

 

[SirenSanJose]

Karin, for reference:

I have a HORRIBLY fussy 14 month old pinstripe, not substantially older than your YB -- he's the single worst eater and grower I've ever had.

I was convinced I'd lose him along the way. For the first 9 months I had him, he was a mouser, would not take any mice larger than fuzzies, and even that MAYBE once a month. Nothing wrong with him medically, vet check was fine, he just hated the smell of rats, and any food that moved too fast. He has FINALLY started on rats in the last couple of months, and eats at least every couple weeks now -- still won't take anything bigger than small rat crawler. Keep in mind this is an animal that has taken maybe 20 meals in the entire time I've had him.

Last time I weighed him a couple weeks ago, he was a frighteningly tiny 234 grams. And that's half again as big as your poor "yearling".

 

[kmrkvicka]

Karin - was your curiosity still that piqued after reading the thread under his alias Kris Smalley? He ABUSED 100+ animals while living in Oregon, and hasn't stopped. For your sake, I hope he DOES flip those geckos as quickly as possible, so they don't suffer the same fate of god-knows how many animals he's allowed to die in his care

 

[hhmoore]

Karin - was your curiosity still that piqued after reading the thread under his alias Kris Smalley? He ABUSED 100+ animals while living in Oregon, and hasn't stopped. For your sake, I hope he DOES flip those geckos as quickly as possible, so they don't suffer the same fate of god-knows how many animals he's allowed to die in his care

Different people...

 

[kmrkvicka]

Different people...

My mistake - he was linked in the initial post - wouldn't put it past the other guy, or this guy frankly

 

[Robert Walker]

I realize websites and promoters sometimes rehash old lists of past exhibitors, so this might be inaccurate, HOWEVER, as of right now it appears on their website.

If you are headed to the show in Feb, be sure to swing by his both and say hi to Terrance or whatever he decides to call himself at the time.

Just looked at his facebook page and saw his lastest post. Class act.