Terry Gwin bad business reptile breeder (killer)

[Kcgeckoguy]

Also, the v-nigra was $45 and the peacock was $65. I will refund you $45 and not a penny more.

 

[burncycle]

The price is not negotiable at this point unless you have something in trade. I think that $65 is a very reasonable price on any peacock, but particularly this blood line. The males have bright blue tails and are unlike most that I have seen. Plus, It is a CB animal. How many sexable female CB peacocks do you see for sale? The answer is none, unless they are babies or wild caught animals.

The v-nigra is also an adult CB animal. I have more eggs incubating from his and another bloodline plus another 2 pair, so that is the only reason I am letting him go as well. Again, not many of those floating around. Phelsumas are getting harder and harder to get these days and if I didn't have the species I would jump on every chance I could to pick up a new one. Picking up one means your halfway there to breeding the species.

Best regards,
Terry


Don <[email protected]> wrote:
Thats a little expensive for the peacock. Is that price negotiable at all on the peacock? I think i'll hold off on the v-nigra because he would be the only one.
-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale


$70 for the gold dust, $65 for the adult female peacock, and $65 for the v-nigra. Shipping is included w/ the gold dust price.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
What is the price break down of that? I wanted 2 female gold dust 1 female peacock and the v-nigra

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:25 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

I looked at the gold dust and I would guess that they are females but I cant prommise for sure. They are just a little small to be certain. The v-nigra is nearly an adult and he is $65. I would be happy to trade you out down the road if the gold dust didn't end up being female.

So all together the bill would be $200 shipped.

Let me know what you would like to do asap.

Thanks,
Terry
913-271-****



Guys he wont give me back the full amount do something!

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Darn and I thought we were getting somewhere here Terry do you really want to end this ?? If so just pay the man the 65$ if you don't have a replacement, I mean if that is the going rate for this kind of animal. If you don't want to work this out then this is going to go on and on, Trust me it will get really ugly fast.

 

[burncycle]

Yeah Terry, just give me what I paid.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I'm not calling you a liar and all I have done is ask you to provide proof of your side of the situation.

I would like to see the full header posted for email you supplied below.

Mr. Hultman,

I would say that Don threatening me and telling me he is going to come to my house and kick my @#! before the conversations even began to heat up is enough for me to not give Don a replacement gecko. But, no, now he has publicly called me out and exposed this whole ordeal to try and aggitate me. NOT to get his $65 gecko.

I do guarantee live arrival. It takes time to breed geckos sometimes. Even 4 months. I waited 3 years to get a male P. Guimboui! Don could have been more patient and he could have not threatend me he would have recieved his geckos and more for his patience. I am a very generouse person. I often give away free geckos to the people that deserve them.

I think your missing the point. If you look back at my responses to this thread carefully you will see that Don is not worried about the gecko, he is worried about trying to make me look bad. He has failed on both levels.

Also, I have NEVER threatened Don or said how I can kick his @#$. What I did say is that he would have a very unpleasant experience if he chose to take physical action.

Upon request here is one of his nasty emails...
"Keep waiting for me tile craftsman. I’m making arrangements soon enough to pay you a visit and when I do I’m gonna break you like a twig. I know all about you and I’m not nearly done with getting my word out about you. I’ve been letting all the reptile expos know about you aswell.
I know that you got your whole collection of geckos from Lauren Berstch and her boyfriend who you ripped off his name. Lets see if she deals with you anymore !@#$%^&*!@. Don’t ever think that I forgot about you, because I will be in your area one day and when I’m there you will know."

Im not sure how to post it with all the time stamp stuff but I can foreward it to anyone who realy cares. The other email is just saying that he knows my adress.ooooooooo....Im shakin.....lol. I do have to admit this all is a bit entertaining at least.

Also, I have no idea who Lauren Burstch is. My whole collection came frome tons of different places but mostly from a friend of mine i would like to keep out of this.

If there is any more confusion, please feel free to respond.

And the reason I ask is because you are the one with inconstancies.

Also, the v-nigra was $45 and the peacock was $65. I will refund you $45 and not a penny more.

Thats a little expensive for the peacock. Is that price negotiable at all on the peacock? I think i'll hold off on the v-nigra because he would be the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale


$70 for the gold dust, $65 for the adult female peacock, and $65 for the v-nigra. Shipping is included w/ the gold dust price.

You said, no picture was provided. The picture is posted in this thread.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I'm not calling you a liar and all I have done is ask you to provide proof of your side of the situation.

I would like to see the full header posted for email you supplied below.

Mr. Hultman,

I would say that Don threatening me and telling me he is going to come to my house and kick my @#! before the conversations even began to heat up is enough for me to not give Don a replacement gecko. But, no, now he has publicly called me out and exposed this whole ordeal to try and aggitate me. NOT to get his $65 gecko.

I do guarantee live arrival. It takes time to breed geckos sometimes. Even 4 months. I waited 3 years to get a male P. Guimboui! Don could have been more patient and he could have not threatend me he would have recieved his geckos and more for his patience. I am a very generouse person. I often give away free geckos to the people that deserve them.

I think your missing the point. If you look back at my responses to this thread carefully you will see that Don is not worried about the gecko, he is worried about trying to make me look bad. He has failed on both levels.

Also, I have NEVER threatened Don or said how I can kick his @#$. What I did say is that he would have a very unpleasant experience if he chose to take physical action.

Upon request here is one of his nasty emails...
"Keep waiting for me tile craftsman. I’m making arrangements soon enough to pay you a visit and when I do I’m gonna break you like a twig. I know all about you and I’m not nearly done with getting my word out about you. I’ve been letting all the reptile expos know about you aswell.
I know that you got your whole collection of geckos from Lauren Berstch and her boyfriend who you ripped off his name. Lets see if she deals with you anymore !@#$%^&*!@. Don’t ever think that I forgot about you, because I will be in your area one day and when I’m there you will know."

Im not sure how to post it with all the time stamp stuff but I can foreward it to anyone who realy cares. The other email is just saying that he knows my adress.ooooooooo....Im shakin.....lol. I do have to admit this all is a bit entertaining at least.

Also, I have no idea who Lauren Burstch is. My whole collection came frome tons of different places but mostly from a friend of mine i would like to keep out of this.

If there is any more confusion, please feel free to respond.

And the reason I ask is because you are the one with inconstancies.

Also, the v-nigra was $45 and the peacock was $65. I will refund you $45 and not a penny more.

Thats a little expensive for the peacock. Is that price negotiable at all on the peacock? I think i'll hold off on the v-nigra because he would be the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale


$70 for the gold dust, $65 for the adult female peacock, and $65 for the v-nigra. Shipping is included w/ the gold dust price.

You said, no picture was provided. The picture is posted in this thread.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

He also NEVER proved it. I stress this because I cannot refund or replace an animal that has no evidence of dieing in transit. I NEVER RECIEVED A PICTURE.

You already said you would replace it. Now you are changing the story again.
You never once said that you didn’t believe the gecko was dead. That it was his attitude.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Don, do you have a picture of the label?

 

[varnyard]

You already said you would replace it. Now you are changing the story again.
You never once said that you didn’t believe the gecko was dead. That it was his attitude.

Dennis, he shipped these through the post office. He did not use any heat packs at all. The weather was cold, 40s. These geckos can not take the cold. They are very fragile animals.

Now he keeps changing his story. The costumer was clearly not happy, I can not say that I blame him. As a seller, he has shown very little respect for the animals or the buyer.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I agree with you completely.

 

[burncycle]

Don, do you have a picture of the label?

Nah the box is long gone. I only had those emails with the tracking number in it.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

How can you people consider anything on this thread to be proff anyway. So Don has a picture of a dead v-nigra. So what. He probably is mad enough to kill it himself just for the picture he could not provide me in the beginning of all this. I have a picture of a dead Hemidactylus, does that mean anything NO. Because don has an edited email that says the animals were a certain price mean anything NO. I am tired of arguing about every single little detail about this so this is how I will settle things.

I will send Don a replacement gecko in 2 weeks. By then the v-nigra will be fine for transit. If this is not acceptable to Don or everyone here then I guess I will just have deal with it. The Date for departure will be Tues. July 11. I will post pictures of the box and means of shipping on my website.

Don will need to give me his exact adress in private.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

And Bill how in the world is he proving to be a bigger man?? Is treating your customers like this being a 'bigger man"? I have done business with alot of people and never been treated with such ignorance or disrespect. If he had no plans on compensating me he should have just said that to begin with.

Don, My apologies on that one. It wasn't directed at you being a small man.It was more along the lines of "It takes a big man to own up to his mistakes"

 

[Bill_Leverton]

How can you people consider anything on this thread to be proff anyway. So Don has a picture of a dead v-nigra. So what. He probably is mad enough to kill it himself just for the picture he could not provide me in the beginning of all this. I have a picture of a dead Hemidactylus, does that mean anything NO.

Why would he just kill it to ruin your name??

Because don has an edited email that says the animals were a certain price mean anything NO.

Don Forward Me the e-mail I will post it in its true form.

I am tired of arguing about every single little detail about this so this is how I will settle things.
I will send Don a replacement gecko in 2 weeks. By then the v-nigra will be fine for transit. If this is not acceptable to Don or everyone here then I guess I will just have deal with it. The Date for departure will be Tues. July 11. I will post pictures of the box and means of shipping on my website.
Don will need to give me his exact adress in private.

Terry, I'm not arguing anything here. I thought that you were going to replace the animal, then Don says OK send it.... You say I don't have one.....Don says OK send me the money.........You say I'll send $45 not a penny more....Don says not acceptable, Now you are saying that you will send him one in 2 weeks, What if he doesn't want the animal now, and just wants the money ???? This seems like its just going around and around and going no where.....why not just pay-pal him the money and be done with it ????

 

[burncycle]

this is the runaround i'm talking about...
He acts like I have nothing better to do than ruin his name.
Please just give me back what I paid for the v-nigra. Be a man of your word and end this crap.

Bill send me a email so I have your email address and I'll forward you over the exact email with the prices in it.

Thanks

 

[burncycle]

I paid for a male subadult. I dont want an unsexed hatchling. I want my money back.

 

[Kcgeckoguy]

Im finnished here. If you want a vnigra you know my email adress.

 

[burncycle]

It seems I am back to where I started 4 months ago with my DOA. Thanks for making this right Terry.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Don <[email protected]>
Sent : Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:13 PM
To : <[email protected]>
Subject : FW: day geckos for sale

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-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale
The price is not negotiable at this point unless you have something in trade. I think that $65 is a very reasonable price on any peacock, but particularly this blood line. The males have bright blue tails and are unlike most that I have seen. Plus, It is a CB animal. How many sexable female CB peacocks do you see for sale? The answer is none, unless they are babies or wild caught animals.
The v-nigra is also an adult CB animal. I have more eggs incubating from his and another bloodline plus another 2 pair, so that is the only reason I am letting him go as well. Again, not many of those floating around. Phelsumas are getting harder and harder to get these days and if I didn't have the species I would jump on every chance I could to pick up a new one. Picking up one means your halfway there to breeding the species.

Best regards,

Terry



Don <[email protected]> wrote:

Thats a little expensive for the peacock. Is that price negotiable at all on the peacock? I think i'll hold off on the v-nigra because he would be the only one.

-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:35 AM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale

$70 for the gold dust, $65 for the adult female peacock, and $65 for the v-nigra. Shipping is included w/ the gold dust price.

Don <[email protected]> wrote:
What is the price break down of that? I wanted 2 female gold dust 1 female peacock and the v-nigra
-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:25 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale
I looked at the gold dust and I would guess that they are females but I cant prommise for sure. They are just a little small to be certain. The v-nigra is nearly an adult and he is $65. I would be happy to trade you out down the road if the gold dust didn't end up being female.
So all together the bill would be $200 shipped.
Let me know what you would like to do asap.
Thanks,

Terry

913-271-XXXX

Don <[email protected]> wrote:

Ok I definitely want 2 female gold dust and 1 female peacock. How old is the v-nigra? And what is the price on him?
-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:43 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale
Yes, I believe I do have a couple of females left. Yes they are CB, but they are fairly young. I will have to make sure because I haven't tryed to sex them yet. I know for sure I have at least one. I would say they are 3 mos old or so. I will email you tommorow when I have some time to look at them closely.
Thanks,
Terry
Don <[email protected]> wrote:
Wow he is awesome! You can send me 2 female gold dust for $70 shipped? Are they captive bred? How old are they?
-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:17 PM
To: Don
Subject: RE: day geckos for sale
I have the female gold dust. Some are well established juvies. I could send them to you for $70 shipped. My gold dust bloodline smokes nearly every one I have seen. I will attach a photo of the adult male.
Don <[email protected]> wrote:
I’m actually looking for 2 female gold dust and a female klemmeri.
-----Original Message-----
From: terry gwin [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 6:25 PM
To: Don
Subject: Re: day geckos for sale
I have 12 baby gold dust (laticauda) and 1.1 peacocks (Quadraocelata) at the moment. I will have my klemmeri breeding in a couple months. If your interested, I also have 1.0 v-nigra, and Dubia.
Thanks,
Terry
Don <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi I was wondering if you had any klemmeri, gold dust, or peacock day geckos for sale?
Thanks, Don
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This Is the E-mail In the true form That was forwarded to me From Don, Iam no waiting to get the e-mails from Terry and will Post them exact also

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Sorry for my spelling seeing screen cross-eyed.