The Bet.

[Bill_Leverton]

As some of you know, I had an ad up, All my Boas need to go, Well Lucille decided that she knew me so well, and decided to bet me $20.00 that after that list was gone, I'd be back pimping more boas,Which won't be happening But you know how it goes here, everybody thinks they know ya Well I deleted the ad but I did put it into a file, so that she can not say "Hey You did this or that" and I am putting the file here so that there is proof, that this is the ad with no changes.Need To Be Gone Well thats, that.Have a good day.

 

[Lucille]

I totally understand why you deleted that ad, and then put up another one and locked it so no one could reply. You do not want potential customers seeing that you have a history here on Fauna of 'going out of business' sales.

 

[gmherps]

Once again I'm at a loss.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

I totally understand why you deleted that ad, and then put up another one and locked it so no one could reply. You do not want potential customers seeing that you have a history here on Fauna of 'going out of business' sales.

Lucille, The reason I deleted it and brought it here and started a new ad, and locked it was, It was an ad to sell them, and not to turn it into your beliefs, on why it was there (in your mind) But just on another note, You said I keep having these going out of business sales ? I believe, I only used that term once..... Last year when this was a business, Now it just a hobby, and this is not the kind of hobby, when you get tired or bored with it, you can just throw it in a box and store it away for another day,But then again you think you know me so well.and if you are so confident that you know for a fact, I'll be back, then I have a better bet for you.......I out right own a 3 bdrm house(Mortgage Free) on 5.5 acres of land, that I will put up against the little house you live in down there in Texas, That after the list I have up is gone that you or anybody else, will never see me selling another critter of any kind ever again....ever, But I know you would never take a bet like that, and those reasons I'll keep to myself, What this all comes down to is if your gonna bet, bet only on a sure thing, I only bet on the things that I control the out come.Come on take that bet,your not chicken are you ?????If you win you could sell this place and have some jingle in your pocket, Just how confident are you now, that you are going to win.....one last thing when I win, I will in all good conscience take take my winnings.

 

[Lucille]

,your not chicken are you ?????

Sure I am. My tiny home will be a gift to my children when I'm gone, I would not gamble that away. And, in addition, I would only deal with you for an amount insignificant to me. You have a history as a scammer, and I will risk no real business dealings with you.

Bill, in your post just now you said

one last thing when I win, I will in all good conscience take take my winnings

And yet you PMed me yesterday to say

So out of the respect, I still have for you, I can't in all good conscience accept that $ 20, when I win, I want you to use it to get a gallon of Blue Bell ice cream and rent a chick flick and enjoy.Respectfully Billy

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Sure I am. My tiny home will be a gift to my children when I'm gone, I would not gamble that away. And, in addition, I would only deal with you for an amount insignificant to me. You have a history as a scammer, and I will risk no real business dealings with you.

Bill, in your post just now you said


And yet you PMed me yesterday to say

The bet( houses) would of been handled through lawyers, not between us personally, But that is just typically you,open mouth then run and hide,And yes I did say in Pm that I would let you keep your money,and once again you show yourself, to be what everybody still sees you as, the person who when things are said in private needs to post to try and make him/her look better, but you know what why don't you just post the whole thing.. Now.....And don't ever take an act of kindness as weakness,I really don't have anything to prove here,other then you should never make bets with me, You will loss everytime,

 

[Bill_Leverton]

You have a history as a scammer

I think you better go back and read that Whole thread out of 1000 + posts there, by post 24 or some where close to that... That person was told he would be paid, and guess what he was, and anything after that was just a big pissing match......so get your facts straight before you come to a trash party unarmed.

 

[Lucille]

I seem to remember that you were caught in a horrendous scam, that public opinion forced reparations to be made, that about that time you shilled an auction.
I really don't need to read much further to be absolutely certain that I would not do business with you, Bill.

And apparently your lady does not want you in the biz either, that is the reason you quoted for selling your boas?

 

[Bill_Leverton]

And apparently your lady does not want you in the biz either, that is the reason you quoted for selling your boas?

Ok first what horrendous scam?? If memory serves me, I realized the mistake and did pay him what was owed and it was by or some where close to post 24 of that thread, second as to the shill bidding, Guilty on those charges,So people will never forget what happened and I really don't expect them to , Just like the things you did, people will never forget,But we go on and try to live a better life and not dwell on our pasts, But try to learn from them. Thirdly once again you speak of things you have no clue to......I never said she didn't want me in this business, I said I was selling to be back with her, She doesn't like snakes. so please once again, Get your facts straight before speaking or typing, which ever works for you

 

[SoulSmilen]

Well this has been blown all to hell.

He posted his animals for sale and he's done it before - big friggin deal.

Lucille, you have often said on the BOI when someone makes amends or fixes a deal gone bad that it's the 'big' thing for said person to do and makes a better person out of them, etc. etc. He did it, it's done and over with, move on.

For you to turn what started out as a good-natured bet into a "you're a scammer and the more we go on about this, the more I will badmouth you" kind of thing makes you look pretty bad, IMO.

I seem to remember that you were caught in a horrendous scam, that public opinion forced reparations to be made, that about that time you shilled an auction.
I really don't need to read much further to be absolutely certain that I would not do business with you, Bill.

He's not asking you to do business with him, you don't want his snakes, so what was the purpose in the above quote other than to keep on badmouthing him so Lucille looks right and good, no matter what?

And apparently your lady does not want you in the biz either, that is the reason you quoted for selling your boas?

You go way too far in your attempted insinuations sometimes. The reason his lady doesn't want him to have snakes is of ABSOLUTELY no concern of yours, and shouldn't have been brought up. I doubt anyone other than you assumed it was because she didn't want him doing business; it was pretty evident she doesn't like snakes. How you managed to twist it around into something bad in your own mind is pathetic.

Lucille, I've watched you for a few years and generally, you act like a nice person; however, the pattern to your niceties is that they are always self-centered and manipulative. The more I see, the more evident it becomes. It's time to take your own advice and drop it; this way you can sit gratified 'knowing' you are the bigger and better person. Put your SuperWoman suit on and fly around smuggly laughing at your misguided superiority complex, if need be. Please do take pictures, though, as I'm sure we'd all like to have the graphic visual of how so many picture you already.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

To be quite honest, I really don't care what Lucille believes, All I know is that "I will expect my money, when she loses" and I really hope she has the honor to pay me, and that I don't have to track her down. And yes once again her pettiness has blown this to thread to the pits of hades, its a sad but true fact...

 

[scotty77327]

I agree

All i am going to say is this.
Bill in my opinion is a hell of a nice guy . i have done business with him with no regrets . Also he has been there to help me out whenever i needed it and never asked for anything in return . Bill if i can do anything at all for you just let me know and i'll be there .I think Lucille just needs to back off .
Scott Spellman

Well this has been blown all to hell.

He posted his animals for sale and he's done it before - big friggin deal.

Lucille, you have often said on the BOI when someone makes amends or fixes a deal gone bad that it's the 'big' thing for said person to do and makes a better person out of them, etc. etc. He did it, it's done and over with, move on.

For you to turn what started out as a good-natured bet into a "you're a scammer and the more we go on about this, the more I will badmouth you" kind of thing makes you look pretty bad, IMO.


He's not asking you to do business with him, you don't want his snakes, so what was the purpose in the above quote other than to keep on badmouthing him so Lucille looks right and good, no matter what?


You go way too far in your attempted insuations sometimes. The reason his lady doesn't want him to have snakes is of ABSOLUTELY no concern of yours, and shouldn't have been brought up. I doubt anyone other than you assumed it was because she didn't want him doing business; it was pretty evident she doesn't like snakes. How you managed to twist it around into something bad in your own mind is pathetic.

Lucille, I've watched you for a few years and generally, you act like a nice person; however, the pattern to your niceties is that they are always self-centered and manipulative. The more I see, the more evident it becomes. It's time to take your own advice and drop it; this way you can sit gratified 'knowing' you are the bigger and better person. Put your SuperWoman suit on and fly around smuggly laughing at your misguided superiority complex, if need be. Please do take pictures, though, as I'm sure we'd all like to have the graphic visual of how so many picture you already.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Bill

In the original thread I believe I refrained from posting due to the fact that I had nothing to do with the transaction and nothing pertinennt to add. The members who knew you better and had a better handle on the situation did a fine job of outing you without my help.

However


It galls me to see someone who has been Proven, not alleged to be but PROVEN, both a thief an a liar in this industry now have the gall to act self righteous in this ridiculous situation. The fact of your multiple "Going out of Business Sales" is well documented. If you are leaving the industry, the industry thanks you. Do it quietly and fade into the distance.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Bill

In the original thread I believe I refrained from posting due to the fact that I had nothing to do with the transaction and nothing pertinennt to add. The members who knew you better and had a better handle on the situation did a fine job of outing you without my help.

Thank you

It galls me to see someone who has been Proven, not alleged to be but PROVEN, both a thief an a liar in this industry now have the gall to act self righteous in this ridiculous situation. The fact of your multiple "Going out of Business Sales" is well documented.

I'm not acting self righteous, I just refuse to live my life, for the mistakes Ive made. and you are right I was proved that way

If you are leaving the industry, the industry thanks you. Do it quietly and fade into the distance.

John, I will take that advice and do just that,I will sell what is left of my boas and go quietly away. The only reason I started this thread was so that there would be documention of the bet. and Lucille couldn't twist things around, like she has a habit of doing as we all have seen...... Scott and anyone else Ive done business with I'm only a phone call away if you need anything.....Other then Boas

 

[BryonsBoas]

To be quite honest, I really don't care what Lucille believes, All I know is that "I will expect my money, when she loses" and I really hope she has the honor to pay me, and that I don't have to track her down. And yes once again her pettiness has blown this to thread to the pits of hades, its a sad but true fact...

I near about fell out of my chair when I read BILL , of all people , speaking of someones honor towards paying him when he has outstanding debts to a member of this site. Remember that Bill? The money you SHOULD have paid back was obviously spent on the collection you are now selling. How can you speak of honor when you have none yourself.

A great member of this site loaned you money when you were in a time of need and you pay them back $100 in how long? You hope you don't have to track Lucille down for $20 when you still owe how much?

The reason your getting bagged on for your " perpetual " GOING OUT OF BIZ sales is they happen every 2 - 3 months. Yeah , not one single person here knows you but they know what they see. I'd almost take that bet myself if I thought YOU had enough HONOR to pay up but so far history has shown you lack in many areas. One of which is the one you speak of. The house would prolly fall out of a hole in shipping box at UPS anyway.

 

[gmherps]

All i am going to say is this.
Bill in my opinion is a hell of a nice guy . i have done business with him with no regrets . Also he has been there to help me out whenever i needed it and never asked for anything in return . Bill if i can do anything at all for you just let me know and i'll be there .I think Lucille just needs to back off .
Scott Spellman

Be careful about what you say Scott. You might have been something like a het for hypo boa or a het albino boa that actually wasn't, and then you might be out a few grand. Damn, deja vu. Just without the het for hypo part. Bill is a piece of work who will steal from people he buys from, sells to, and speaks too. I too said everything you are now saying Scott, but I got burned straight in the ass with one of Bill's many "HETS". Well because of his little "HET" I'm out a few grand. Long story, and Bill isn't worth another story. You want the full details there are MANY others here on the board who know what went down.

 

[Lucille]

He did it, it's done and over with, move on.
.

Well, apparently not. There's both a bad debt and a bad deal mentioned by different people in this thread that had nothing to do with the infamous scam.

I remember Fauna was founded on the principle of sharing thoughts and feelings and experiences about those in the reptile biz, in order to help prevent the scamming that plagues the industry.

As I recall, there were people who talked just like you when Top Shelf Exotics was in its prime, attempting to silence those who would speak their thoughts.

 

[gmherps]

Granted Bill paid me back the $500 I spent for the snake, BUT (AH THE BUT) I had sold the snake as a 100% het albino female to another breeder who bred it to an ALBINO male boa. Guess what..., not 1 (one) stinking albino in the litter. Now I'm out 1 sunglow from this years litter(s). Should Bill be responsible for this cost or is it mine to suck up? Bill, Bill, Bill, when are you going to stop?

 

[Wilomn]

Well, apparently not. There's both a bad debt and a bad deal mentioned by different people in this thread that had nothing to do with the infamous scam.

I remember Fauna was founded on the principle of sharing thoughts and feelings and experiences about those in the reptile biz, in order to help prevent the scamming that plagues the industry.

As I recall, there were people who talked just like you when Top Shelf Exotics was in its prime, attempting to silence those who would speak their thoughts.

And you, merely for the sake of your own appearence, deleted posts, edited posts, changed what other people had written about you to read differently than they intended it to, tried to do this without being caught at it, cried about it when you were caught, disappeared until you thought the heat was off, PRETENDED to be me on TRR and post things that I would never say and the list goes on.

Who's worse, you, who operate in the shadows hoping not to be discovered and not admitting you did wrong until you are outed, or bill?

Which is worse, changing what thousands and thousands of readers see and think belong to someone, changed by you with no notice, or bill?

bill isn't here trying to change this site, to make it more friendly (read not as easy to call a slimy post editing/deleting scumbag a slimy post editing/deleting scumbag) he's here, admitting he made some mistakes and unless I've missed it, he has yet to say he will NOT be doing something about Greg's problem. Maybe he will, maybe he won't but don't you think we should let him decide what he's going to do before we decide he's not going to do anything at all?

Greg, when did you find out the snake was not a het? Before or after it was bred to the albino male?

Also you purchased an amazing albino female from me at a great price and part of our deal, to my understanding, was that you would make me some sort of fantastic deal on something she produced. Has she not produced anything as yet? I've never heard from you and did inquire at least once about her.

 

[garweft]

Lucille should take that house bet!

There is no way he can win. As long as he's alive he can always get back into boas. And years from now when he does pass, he can't really collect.

Just being a wise ass, and getting 1 post closer to 1,000,000.