The BOI will be coming to an end on 02-02-2020

[WebSlave]

In actuality the BOI and this site as a whole was my guilty pleasure. Most breeders never wanted to admit that they were on here, however couldn't resist in indulging once in a while to get the "scoop" on the drama. Eventually this site will succumb to the lack of traffic and persistent maitenence costs. I just hope there are some type of archives for all that was the BOI. Best wishes to all of the staff and those who remain

I seriously doubt it. Too many people will still appreciate a site where they can still advertise their animals for sale FOR FREE, or worry about getting their account yanked because of pressure by certain groups to stop allowing the sale of animals here.

But if it comes to pass that this site dies completely because the majority of the membership (and even those who never even bothered to register) wanted the BOI and nothing else, but were not willing to help support it, and no one else remains, then so be it. I can wash my hands of this and sleep like a baby afterwards.

And FYI, sorry, but no. There will be no archives set up for what used to be the Board of Inquiry. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[WebSlave]

Aww come on. You're not going to let us play with the foreign based parrot vendors a little first before turning them over to the mods for the coup de grace?

Yeah, I know some people enjoy teasing the obvious scammers, but if you don't mind, just report the post to alert staff about it. Your posts in any such thread would be deleted anyway, and I would rather not have legitimate members postings deleted if I could help it. It offends some people having their words vanish, and that is not my intention.

 

[ChondroPy]

One last ditch effort to rectify this issue ....

I'm guilty of not paying my fair share, I admit, and I'm sure there are many others that think like me. Back in the good old days, prior to the internet, a few of us would get Faunaclassifieds in newspaper form as we waited patiently for our monthly herp price lists in various shades of pink green yellow etc etc etc.. Big thanks Tommy, Bill and Louis! This was all for free and I guess we got guilty of thinking everything should continue status quo. Those Proprietors never asked us for a dime for receiving their monthly price list... And they knew we were looking forward to it. Especially Tommy's comments around Christmas time for certain animals being "stocking stuffers" for certain annoying members of the family. I dare not share that price list with that annoying member of the family!

I would like to propose a way for us to redeem ourselves, and help the herp community at the same time. We all know costs have gone up in everything and you should not be burdened to sholder this alone. Only you know what you need in order to make this work without also burdening our younger members in the herp community that may not have money to spend on a service that you were performing without complaint.

The Proposal would be that you will request a certain number of new memberships purchased between now and January 2020. ... Note that I state "new memberships" as some of those in the herp Community have already purchased their memberships for the year. Also, I mention number of memberships rather than a particular category or sum of money, because not everyone has the same income as the next guy or gal. If you should happen to get that predetermined number of memberships (which you will discose to us) between that time frame and now then you will keep your efforts involved in Fauna classifieds going "full steam ahead".. With absolutely no changes .... which includes keeping the BOI.

Hopefully this proposal will satisfy any need for income to pay for the tangibles to keep this site up. We do realize that you are doing this for the love of herpetology and the animals and not just to make a buck. It takes a lot of effort in managing this and we all appreciate your help.

Please give the herp community a chance to help you and help ourselves at the same time. My money and I await to hear your decision. If there are any questions feel free to email me. Lunch is on me if I meet you one day.


Fraternally yours in the Herp Community,

Charles Ball
Pennsylvania

 

[Big Time Reptiles]

you will keep your efforts involved in Fauna classifieds going "full steam ahead".. With absolutely no changes .... which includes keeping the BOI

What changed you mind about thinking, and saying "To many of you new kids on the block who have nothing better than to write on this stupid forum"



I realize that was 13 years ago, but I'm a staunch believer, that a leopard doesn't change it's spots, so why "keep this stupid forum" known as the BOI?



http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84972&page=7

 

[WebSlave]

One last ditch effort to rectify this issue ....

I'm guilty of not paying my fair share, I admit, and I'm sure there are many others that think like me. Back in the good old days, prior to the internet, a few of us would get Faunaclassifieds in newspaper form as we waited patiently for our monthly herp price lists in various shades of pink green yellow etc etc etc.. Big thanks Tommy, Bill and Louis! This was all for free and I guess we got guilty of thinking everything should continue status quo. Those Proprietors never asked us for a dime for receiving their monthly price list... And they knew we were looking forward to it. Especially Tommy's comments around Christmas time for certain animals being "stocking stuffers" for certain annoying members of the family. I dare not share that price list with that annoying member of the family!

I would like to propose a way for us to redeem ourselves, and help the herp community at the same time. We all know costs have gone up in everything and you should not be burdened to sholder this alone. Only you know what you need in order to make this work without also burdening our younger members in the herp community that may not have money to spend on a service that you were performing without complaint.

The Proposal would be that you will request a certain number of new memberships purchased between now and January 2020. ... Note that I state "new memberships" as some of those in the herp Community have already purchased their memberships for the year. Also, I mention number of memberships rather than a particular category or sum of money, because not everyone has the same income as the next guy or gal. If you should happen to get that predetermined number of memberships (which you will discose to us) between that time frame and now then you will keep your efforts involved in Fauna classifieds going "full steam ahead".. With absolutely no changes .... which includes keeping the BOI.

Hopefully this proposal will satisfy any need for income to pay for the tangibles to keep this site up. We do realize that you are doing this for the love of herpetology and the animals and not just to make a buck. It takes a lot of effort in managing this and we all appreciate your help.

Please give the herp community a chance to help you and help ourselves at the same time. My money and I await to hear your decision. If there are any questions feel free to email me. Lunch is on me if I meet you one day.


Fraternally yours in the Herp Community,

Charles Ball
Pennsylvania

Sorry Charles, but that boat has already left the dock.

I said early on in this thread that if I saw an overwhelming effort on the part of the membership (past and present) to keep the Board of Inquiry, that I would reconsider my decision to shut it down on 02-02-2020. That just has not happened, and now just three months away from the shutoff date, I can't see how anyone could still retain any illusions that this is going to happen now.

I know I have waved this red flag several times in the past, and I guess I just wasn't being taken seriously. Or people just did not care one way or the other. And quite likely I am not being taken seriously now, with people thinking that something will come along to get me to change my mind or this is just some ploy to try to pressure members into forking out more money to "save the day". Honestly, folks, I have seen the light and taken this as clear evidence that it is just time for the Board of Inquiry to exit, stage right. I sure as heck don't need it at this stage of my life so why keep on fighting against the tide?

Yeah, money is an issue, and always has been. Not particularly just for what is needed for the upkeep and maintenance required to keep this site afloat. And considering the possibility of substantial legal fees that would have to be expended to defend a member's desire to post something unflattering about someone else. But it is much more than that.

Members: 145,248, Active Members: 18,827

In the past 365 days, only 18,827 registered members out of 145,248 have bothered to even come back here just to drop in and look around. So that is telling me that 126,421 registered members don't even find this site worth visiting casually any longer. I am no longer even interested to know why that is. It just IS.

That is fine. I get it. Newer bells and whistles, with flashing lights and addictive treats offered by other sites have drawn many of them away. I've always known that this was a possibility, even a probability, so I can't claim to be surprised that it has happened now.

The Board of Inquiry was my offering to you all to try to help people when they found they had problems with their dealings in this industry, and had no where else to go that had any hope of a resolution. It is obviously no longer perceived to be needed or of use to the majority of the membership, and with that in mind, I will gladly take this weight off of my own shoulders. I have done all I can do, and all I am willing to do to help people in that respect. I guess far too many people didn't realize that this was a two way street and how important their support, not just financially, but in bulk numbers of just interested parties that were needed to apply the force of peer pressure on someone who was obviously in the wrong in some transaction being discussed.

As an aside, please do not bother to contact me about any issues you may have in your dealings. I cannot help you, and cannot even suggest anything that may be of help to you. Not trying to be mean about it, that is just how the truth of the matter will come across in any discussion I would have with you about your problem.

So it is what it is. The Board of Inquiry will be coming to an end and closing for good on 02-02-2020. Based on all the evidence presented by the responses and reactions known to me since I started this thread, there is nothing that can happen that will change that decision. Yeah, I know some people think that I am just being an MGA trying to shake down people for more money. But you can go ahead and keep thinking that if you like. Makes no difference to me. If anyone believes that any money I made off of this site even comes close to being worth the headaches I have had to endure because of it, then you are extremely deluded. There are so many other things I could have done with my time spent here.

To all of those people who will miss the BOI and wish they could still have it to help them, I am truly sorry. Surely there will be someone else who will think creating a Board of Inquiry themselves is a real grand idea. Maybe they will even be able to run it better than what I have done here, and able to retain the support needed to keep it running and effective. Seriously, more power to them. It is a monkey on the back that I wouldn't wish on anyone and can only wish them good luck with that burden they are willingly taking on.

 

[ChondroPy]

Hi there Moderator...

I am sorry that I did not see this earlier. I just chanced upon it by accident and did not know we were in such dire straits of you shutting it down. I would highly suggest giving it the old College try and post the situation in brief on all of the classified categories. For example as you notify us about "abusive add bumping"... Right below that add in a statement about payments needed to keep bBOI active.... or simply State those who pay will be able to still play.

I am sure there are quite a few of us that still appreciate your efforts in keeping that going. It gives us a choice on whether we will consider dealing with a vendor or not... At least we'll have some information to weigh that decision. This is just my two cents in the matter but if you inform everyone at least we will all know whether folks give a damn about it or just too not interested in paying money to keep this open.

A little more policing of the statements that are made would help as well, to help keep those who post on the BOI as a hobby as their social outlet and who have nothing beneficial to offer.

Please consider all of this before shutting it all down.

Thanks,
Charles Ball

 

[WebSlave]

Hi there Moderator...

I am sorry that I did not see this earlier. I just chanced upon it by accident and did not know we were in such dire straits of you shutting it down. I would highly suggest giving it the old College try and post the situation in brief on all of the classified categories. For example as you notify us about "abusive add bumping"... Right below that add in a statement about payments needed to keep bBOI active.... or simply State those who pay will be able to still play.

I am sure there are quite a few of us that still appreciate your efforts in keeping that going. It gives us a choice on whether we will consider dealing with a vendor or not... At least we'll have some information to weigh that decision. This is just my two cents in the matter but if you inform everyone at least we will all know whether folks give a damn about it or just too not interested in paying money to keep this open.

Been there, done that. Have had an announcement highlighted in blue in ALL forums since early January.

A little more policing of the statements that are made would help as well, to help keep those who post on the BOI as a hobby as their social outlet and who have nothing beneficial to offer.

Please consider all of this before shutting it all down.

Thanks,
Charles Ball

Sorry, but apparently most people don't understand the legal aspects of running something like the Board of Inquiry. You have to be careful about how you "police" a forum of that nature, because if you make the wrong step, you then take on legal responsibility for what anyone else posts there. For instance, you cannot pre-filter statements made. You cannot judge which statements are factual, and which are not. You cannot be a judge and jury at all. I am certain that a lot of people who wanted to sue me over the Board of Inquiry had their attorney check it out and found that they had no ground to stand on exactly because of the way I run it. Matter of fact, about a year or so ago I paid yet another attorney to analyze the BOI and how I run it to make certain I was not running afoul of any changes that might have been made to laws concerning such things. It got gold stars across the board.

This is not as simple as it may seem at casual inspection.

 

[Ed Lilley]

Just saw this, Fauna is a great site, always glad to contribute prices have always been reasonable

 

[WebSlave]

Just saw this, Fauna is a great site, always glad to contribute prices have always been reasonable

Thank you.

Hopefully it will be considered by most people as being just as great of a site without the Board of Inquiry.

 

[Varanexan]

Hello,

Has the idea of "passing the torch" of an archived domain of the BOI into another party's responsible hands of consideration?

It will be a great day for scammers when the BOI is shut down. The thought greatly troubles me; so much history wiped clean, as if it never occurred...

I would like to note, I greatly appreciate the Board of Inquiry- in the respect of it serving as a valuable tool to research potential sellers (and buyers). I realize I may be the minority, however I utilize it often.

Thanks,
Rowan.

 

[Lucille]

I am wondering at the extent of the reach of the prohibition against BOI style posts anywhere on this site except the BOI. A new member posted who deals with turtles, and I sent a private message informing him of my opinion a particularly evil turtle breeder (IMO) who has in the past posted on this site. Are private messages exempt from your prohibition?

 

[WebSlave]

I am wondering at the extent of the reach of the prohibition against BOI style posts anywhere on this site except the BOI. A new member posted who deals with turtles, and I sent a private message informing him of my opinion a particularly evil turtle breeder (IMO) who has in the past posted on this site. Are private messages exempt from your prohibition?

I have been chipping away at what the new policies will be concerning BOI style posts throughout this site, but honestly hasn't been real high on my priority list. Private messages, because of their very nature of being private, are unlikely to be affected at all by any changes I have been toying with.

The goal will be to unload the liability of earlier mentioned nuisance lawsuits to this site and me. So everything will be oriented in that direction.

Of course, I fully realize that anything I do will likely piss off a subset of the membership here, regardless of what they will be. No one really likes to see their own posts deleted and infractions levied.

 

[ChondroPy]

Hi Rich....

You've done an excellent job with the BOI ... you even managed to get in my pockets and make me a contributing member ... That's no small feat in itself (no comments from the peanut gallery,please)! But, the next time I will do even better. I really like the part about sponsoring a site.

Anyway, that was my small part in showing you that your work is appreciated and that I can forward a few dollars to you for your hard work. I once again beseech you not to close the BOI. It really does induce people to be nicer and to work in a more honest and ethical fashion, knowing that they would be mentioned in the BOI if they weren't.

Please ...just think about it...

Best regards and Happy Holidays (now back to the egg nog!)

Charles

 

[danieleWrites]

John Oliver did an episode on SLAPP lawsuits about a month ago on Last Week Tonight. Some of it was about the SLAPP suit Bob Murray of Murray Energy had done to him. Mostly, Oliver does an excellent job explaining why SLAPP suits are a real problem. This is relevant to Fauna because the point of SLAPP suits isn't to win, because the plaintiff usually can't, but shut the defendant down by putting them through a long, expensive legal process until the defendant gives up and does what the plaintiff demands.

My point here: Rich's concern about lawsuits is very real and a very legitimate problem. Yeah, it super sucks that he's got to worry about being sued for something the plaintiff can't win, but that's the reality we live in. I enjoy the BOI and I have made use of it in the past. Regardless, I'm with Rich on the BOI. My enjoyment and use of his property is absolutely not worth his stress and hassles. Neither is anyone else's. If you want a BOI that badly, there's plenty of internet out there. Start your own.



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[ChondroPy]

Hey Daniel.. Danyel or whatever ... this site and discussion is for serious herpers who have done this for years. Not for someone who casually started less than a year ago. I know in your little world you're probably used to telling people off but this is not about you it's not about me it's about everyone who buys purchases and sells herps on this website.

Rich has done his job with the lawyers and we are simply asking him to continue the work or to try to help us figure out another way of continuing this effort.. Not by going to another site.

When you stop being a student and become a professional you can jump back on board and maybe buy something... Hopefully your experience will be good... but without the BOI you have no idea who you're dealing with ... but of course you know this already .... like you know everything.

Talk to me when you've been a member more than 5 years and have utilized this site to trade, sell and purchase.... something in maybe the $2,000 range... Then I might listen to you. Until then go back to Petco... they have anoles for you.

Happy holidays sweetie,
Chuckie

 

[WebSlave]

Cease with the bickering and belittling interpersonal comments please. It is quite likely exactly this sort of thing that would take place constantly in the BOI that got people fed up and disgusted about it. So they left. And their leaving is contributing to the reason that the BOI is going away.

Everyone has their own opinions. You are not entitled to yours any more than the other person is entitled to theirs.

{soapbox ON}
Unfortunately you can't force a discussion based website like this to be "friendly". It's like the anti-gunners thinking that they can take away guns from everyone without using them themselves and shooting people as a result. How much gun violence are you willing to permit to try to end violence using guns? So in like kind, management here would have to get VERY unfriendly in order to try to force people to be friendly. Which would just tend to make people even more "unfriendly" towards us.
{soapbox OFF}

 

[Herpin Man]

Hey Daniel.. Danyel or whatever ... this site and discussion is for serious herpers who have done this for years. Not for someone who casually started less than a year ago. I know in your little world you're probably used to telling people off but this is not about you it's not about me it's about everyone who buys purchases and sells herps on this website.

Rich has done his job with the lawyers and we are simply asking him to continue the work or to try to help us figure out another way of continuing this effort.. Not by going to another site.

When you stop being a student and become a professional you can jump back on board and maybe buy something... Hopefully your experience will be good... but without the BOI you have no idea who you're dealing with ... but of course you know this already .... like you know everything.

Talk to me when you've been a member more than 5 years and have utilized this site to trade, sell and purchase.... something in maybe the $2,000 range... Then I might listen to you. Until then go back to Petco... they have anoles for you.

Happy holidays sweetie,
Chuckie

What a smug, condescending, and childish response. Especially considering that everything Daniele wrote is logical and factual.

 

[ChondroPy]

Great ... thats your opinion ... and if you tell someone to go somewhere else to
start another site the .. right back at cha, Sport!

No soup for you!

 

[Lucille]

My point here: Rich's concern about lawsuits is very real and a very legitimate problem. Yeah, it super sucks that he's got to worry about being sued for something the plaintiff can't win, but that's the reality we live in. I enjoy the BOI and I have made use of it in the past. Regardless, I'm with Rich on the BOI. My enjoyment and use of his property is absolutely not worth his stress and hassles.

Well said.

 

[ChondroPy]

Yup .. just like politics... People only read half the story it's the rest of the crap she wrote that got me riled up....
"not worth his stress and hassles. Neither is anyone else's. If you want a BOI that badly, there's plenty of internet out there. Start your own."

Unless she is speaking for Rich and everyone else, how about letting a grown man make his own decision. I was just pointing out that it's important that we find some resolution to keeping the BOI alive in some fashion. Who knows ... maybe I'm surrounded by people who don't want it to be around.... people make mistakes and yes stuff happens... They get a chance to explain it on the BOI... and if I'm going to Shell out 5 grand for a pair of Mangshan vipers I better know something about the guy or gal.

Peace.. out! Time for something more important!

Chuckie