The Humane Society soled me out!

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

I found out were a horse was being kept in the most horrible conditions

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

Animal welfare officials seize horse
Posted 1 day ago
A horse seized by Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) officers is recovering under the care of a veterinarian.

Welland and District Humane Society manager Ted Bettle said he couldn't discuss details of the horse, seized from a farm on Ridge Road early Thursday evening.

"It's an ongoing investigation," he said.

Bettle said it took SPCA officers a few days before they could take the horse into custody, because they had to follow protocol with the owner.

"For the benefit of the horse it was removed (Thursday) evening. And the report this morning is it's doing pretty good," he said Friday. Bettle said he couldn't discuss the condition of the animal when SPCA officers seized it because that information will be included in the investigator's report.

Asked if charges could be laid against the animal's owners, Bettle said, "That's always possible" pending the outcome of an investigation.

http://www.wellandtribune.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1002585

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

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The horse is saved but im the bad guy now!?... there are a few individuals that would really like me to keep my big moth shut including the Welland HS!!! the "Humane Society" were the ones that let it leak to the horse owner that this thread even existed!! and now that they have my identity they'd like to have the Police involved and have me charged. now that "the crap has hit the fan" it seems that i have become the bad guy to a few people as well, including family!!!! So now that the heat is on, some people would just like to stick their heads in the sand and wish everything would just go away. even my own wife is acting a little funny!


The bottom line is I should have never called the humane society! at first they had know intention of removing the horse immediately (red tape I guess) I should have just contacted one of the rescues instead and it would have saved a lot of drama.

PS funny how easily some people forget about the horse and only worry about themselves!

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and now im being harassed by threatening phone calls!

http://forum.kijiji.ca/about6765659.html

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

that horse has been stuck in that shack since the end of November and has never been let out!!!

 

[Cat_72]

It's sad, but it comes with the territory. Been there done that. I don't know what the heck they would be charging you with? Tresspass? Pftht. You did what needed to be done for the sake of the animal.....people don't see the pictures of what the animal actually looked like, and hear the BS side of the story, and get mad at you. Pictures can be leaked to the media too, they'd probably eat them up.

Calling a rescue wouldn't have done any better than the HS, I don't think....there are almost always legal/red tape issues unless the owner is willing to surrender. Usually a wait of a few days is required.

But yeah, the owner's story is BS, it takes a long time for a horse to get to that stage of skinny. Regardless of what they claim caused the weight loss, it should have been taken care of LONG before reaching that point. If it couldn't be treated, the animal should have been humanely euthanized, IMO.

And there's no way in hell that those tarps and some of that scrap wood and such were just recently put up due to "renovations".....you can see how weathered and beaten it is.

You did right. Take comfort in that, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

It's sad, but it comes with the territory. Been there done that. I don't know what the heck they would be charging you with? Tresspass? Pftht. You did what needed to be done for the sake of the animal.

I read the links and I respectfully disagree with the above part of Cat's post.

It really is horrible the condition of the horse.

I'm curious though Bill, you stated on the thread over there that the horse had been locked in that, whatever it is since December and here you stated November. I'm curious to know how you know that? You entered this property twice and you have made very direct statements that it was never let out.

Your first post stated you discovered the horse four or five days ago. You then were advised to not trespass on the property to go back and get the pictures but to get what you could from off the property. Obviously you went right on their property and entered the structure.
The others in that thread recommending breaking parts of the property to free the horse.

I agree, that horse is in sad shape and to abuse an animal is cruel but when and where do individuals lose their rights?

This post isn't going to win me any points but it's something I feel strongly about so I'm going to go down that road anyway. All of us care about our animals and respect them and is, in part, the reason we are here. We don't like to see abuse. I don't know much about Canadian rights or history so my perspective is American as can be.

Your first post.

Apr 22, 2008
I had my dog out in the country today( im not saying where at this point) he went on to someones property, i followed the place was so disgusting it was like a junkyard but it wasn't it was someones home! a filthy mess im not exaggerating only pics could describe the filth!!!

I came across a shack with a horse in it that looked like it belonged in a threedworld Country it was falling apart, when I say falling apart that's an understatement! there were holes everywhere! the roof was patched with tarps that were torn to sheds, the walls patched with chipboard that the horse was chewing through. it was unreal you had to see it to believe what im telling you

So you entered someones property made a judgment call on the people that lived their based on your visual inspection of their home and decided they were beneath you. You were "out in the country" as you stated. This area wasn't your home. You were a guest to the area. I gather from the thread that it is a poor farming area that you were a visitor in. Anyway, while trespassing on their property you located a shack and found the horse in sad condition.

The horse shouldn't have been in the condition it was. You shouldn't have been on their property. Regardless of what you found, I have a hard time separating those issues.

I don't live in the country but I have relatives that do live in very poor farming areas. Our standards of living are different but they are still entitled to basic rights of their land and home.

That stated, it appears the horse was being neglected. I care for my animals
and don't like to see neglect or abuse.

My opinion would be the same if you were a PETA nut that entered a testing facility to free rats, monkeys and cats. I may not agree with everything that transpires and more humane methods may need to be found but you don't have a right to destroy their property just as you do not have a right to enter this persons land. That goes for your dog too.

You have a right to disagree with someone wearing a fur coat but you don't have a right to throw paint on it.

You have a right to look down your nose at someone living on a poor farm but you have no right to violate their home and property.

Anyone can have the right to ignorantly believe that we should not keep snakes. They can believe if they choose that racks and bins are cruel to keep snakes and rats in. But, if you come on to my property to take pictures of rats in the barn or snakes in the racks or enter my home or property without permission, I should have every right to put you and your dog down.

I guess, I can separate the issues. You have every right to report something you believe is wrong. If I see an animal being severally mistreated, I would do what my conscience dictates. I would also defend my property rights, Cathy's and yours even if you lived in a junkyard.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

The barn is just an example. I don't have one.

 

[dsirkle]

Dennis, I don't know what the laws are where you are or in Canada but in Michigan you would only be trespassing if the land is clearly posted "No Trespassing". You are allowed access to unposted land and then would be trespassing only if you were told to leave by the owner and refused to leave. It may well be the same in Canada.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

That was no farm! its just house on about an acre of land. it was more junkyard then anything else. the neighbors told me the horse has been locked up like that since the end of November beginning on December. and there was not one no trespassing sine, but there is now.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

You can shoot someone fore trespassing in the US?...really?

 

[dsirkle]

Certainly not in my State. I would be extremely surprised if you could legally shoot someone for simple trespassing in any State.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Dennis, I don't know what the laws are where you are or in Canada but in Michigan you would only be trespassing if the land is clearly posted "No Trespassing". You are allowed access to unposted land and then would be trespassing only if you were told to leave by the owner and refused to leave. It may well be the same in Canada.

It definitely should have been written "should". So what your stating is if he hopped my fence and went into my backyard it wouldn't be considered trespassing? He stated it was someones home.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

what fence? the horse is locked up because they have no money for a fence... by the way most of the pics were taken from the neighbour's yard, where at the time i was more then welcome.

 

[kmurphy]

Maine is like Michigan. If there's no sign you can go on their property. It is more of a rural thing. In the suburban areas noone would walk into someone else's yard. But even in Maine walking around someone's barn would be considered trespassing. Not necessarily in the legal sense but it would be considered an invasion of the person's privacy and you would get a good talking to if caught. Taking pictures is carrying it a bit further even.
If Ontario is like Maine then Bill probably isn't the most popular guy in town right now.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

Maine is like Michigan. If there's no sign you can go on their property. It is more of a rural thing. In the suburban areas noone would walk into someone else's yard. But even in Maine walking around someone's barn would be considered trespassing. Not necessarily in the legal sense but it would be considered an invasion of the person's privacy and you would get a good talking to if caught. Taking pictures is carrying it a bit further even.
If Ontario is like Maine then Bill probably isn't the most popular guy in town right now.

The only people that im not popular with are the ones that let the horse stave and live in its own shit! everyone else seems to be OK.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

Oops sorry spelling ...starve

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

Theres two threads

http://forum.kijiji.ca/about6765741.html

there are few that support these people but one did make and interesting comment to me the other day he said "I dont see what the big deal is its not like hes been out there beating the horse for the last 6 month"!!!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

what fence? the horse is locked up because they have no money for a fence...

The question was speculative to Dale based on what is considered trespass and what is not.

I understand you proceeded in the course of action you thought correct. I really understand your position. But at what point do you draw the line.

My position is a property such as this and its owners has the same rights as someone living on prime real estate.

"That was no farm! its just house on about an acre of land. it was more junkyard then anything else."

It's the person(s) home. My point to this thread was to take issue with the fact on the other thread and this one that you were encouraged to do what is necessary to get the pictures.
That a persons rights should be damned based on feelings on a specific issue. You are the one that stated you were on private property. You are the one that stated it was someones home. You are the one who decided that their rights and their property had little value and you had an obligation to enter that property again to gather evidence. I'm truly troubled about where that line should be drawn. I think everyone should.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

The question was speculative to Dale based on what is considered trespass and what is not.

I understand you proceeded in the course of action you thought correct. I really understand your position. But at what point do you draw the line.

My position is a property such as this and its owners has the same rights as someone living on prime real estate.

It's the person(s) home. My point to this thread was to take issue with the fact on the other thread and this one that you were encouraged to do what is necessary to get the pictures.
That a persons rights should be damned based on feelings on a specific issue. You are the one that stated you were on private property. You are the one that stated it was someones home. You are the one who decided that their rights and their property had little value and you had an obligation to enter that property again to gather evidence. I'm truly troubled about where that line should be drawn. I think everyone should.

understood.... at the time my only concern was for the horse.

I talked to the HS today they said its going to be a long road to recovery for this horse. they couldn't go to into detail with me, I was told its getting the vet care it needs. but its going to take some time.